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Old 05-29-13, 08:03 PM
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Re: Blue Underground and Synapse Films to release on Blu-ray

i hope they release these in regular cases as well..those prices are retarded.
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Re: Blue Underground and Synapse Films to release on Blu-ray

Originally Posted by riotinmyskull View Post
i hope they release these in regular cases as well..those prices are retarded.
While I agree the prices are retarded, I do love people's bitching on their Facebook.

If this wasn't Don May Jr., I wouldn't have jumped on board immediately. However, I know this will probably be the best release we ever get.
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Re: Blue Underground and Synapse Films to release on Blu-ray

Even though I'm not thrilled about this, I would normally bite anyway because I love these movies and I want to support Synapse. Having the Arrow steelbook already makes it tougher to bite. There's definitely room for improvement over that earlier release, and I know Synapse will do it right. I just have a really hard time justifying that sticker price... I know I'll cave, though.

The limited part doesn't bother me, but I wish I had the option of a less expensive disc in a more boring case. Even if it were $30 a pop, that'd be an easier pill to swallow.
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The "we may do so in the future" line basically means "once these sell out, we'll wait a year and do a standard release".

I'll wait. I love Synapse, but fuck $92 for two steelbooks.
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Re: Blue Underground and Synapse Films to release on Blu-ray

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The "we may do so in the future" line basically means "once these sell out, we'll wait a year and do a standard release".

I'll wait. I love Synapse, but fuck $92 for two steelbooks.
Yeah, this seems like a cash grab to bypass the normal retail channels. I don't hold a grudge against them for making money, but thankfully I can wait for the normal editions. Never been a gigantic fan of the two Demons movies, so definitely waiting for cheaper editions.
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Old 05-30-13, 02:10 AM
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$12 shipping for both is highway robbery
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Re: Blue Underground and Synapse Films to release on Blu-ray

Like other, I'll probably wait for the (eventual) separate releases.

I'm happy with my DVDs for now.
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Old 05-30-13, 02:16 PM
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They're probably going to do this with Phenomena too I guess?
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Old 05-30-13, 02:19 PM
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Re: Blue Underground and Synapse Films to release on Blu-ray

Will not buy....I'll stick to my DVDs for now.
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Old 05-30-13, 02:28 PM
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Re: Blue Underground and Synapse Films to release on Blu-ray

I'm continuing to love the bitching on their Facebook page and other forums. Synapse mentioned the reason why they're doing a limited edition: to cover their ass from the licensing costs. That makes sense and justifies $85 of the $92 I spent (the double dipping of shipping costs is still bullshit). Based upon that logic, I'm going to be safe to assume they'll probably do the same for Phenomena and Tenebre. Will I be a sucker again? I love Argento's work too much to not be.

However, the bitching has hit an even new high/low/take your pick. They're now complaining the release is that of a Kickstarter to just produce the discs. Okay. I spent $35 twice on Kickstarter within the past few months. Once to fund The Polyphonic Spree's new studio and live albums and another to fund the Veronica Mars movie. In return, I get digital downloads of the two The Polyphonic Spree albums I funded and a digital copy of the Veronica Mars movie. I'm paying almost the same amount and I'm walking away with something physical. Again, I feel my purchase is justified a second time.

People are complaining that they'll purchase discs from Shout Factory and other distributors instead. See, I don't get the comparison. Shout Factory might have to pay for licensing rights and any bonus material they produce themselves, but on the flip side, the studios they partner with (like MGM and Universal) are handing them everything on a silver platter like newly minted HD masters and already produced bonus material. Synapse is a two-man operation. They're also not picking the most accessible films, both from an audience and business perspective. Demons is not going to move the units that Halloween II or They Live would. If I have to pay $40 for the best this film will ever look and sound, so be it. I'd rather support Don May Jr.

If anyone wants the Arrow limited edition steel book, I have one that I'm now currently looking to sell based upon my most recent purchase.
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Old 05-30-13, 03:33 PM
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It's funny how with Criterion releasing more and more studio titles, limited pressings on the basis of pre-orders and ever-increasing prices the Blu Ray market of today is becoming ever moreso like the laserdisc market. And right in the middle of both of them is Don May, whose words from 1998 are as prescient now as they were then.

"People have to learn to pre-order LDs now that the LD industry has changed
so much. Companies can no longer rely on those customers who wait until a
product is in the store before they buy it. I know a LOT of people did that
(including myself), but I've learned now that if you want to see it...
especially the smaller, lesser known cultish films, you now have to support
the format by pre-ordering. In this stage of the ever-shrinking LD market
game, people need to change their buying habits if they want LD to survive.
Distributors like myself need to see pre-orders before a decision to release
a title is made, now that major chains (Saturday Matinee, Musicland/Suncoast,
Coconuts, Tower, ect.) can no longer be relied upon for laserdisc orders.
They are either downsizing their orders heavily, or no longer ordering at
all."


When I read that stuff for the first time around 2007 or so I was shocked at how low the print runs were and the size of the market at the time, not really being a conscious enthusiast of video until around 2002 or so. Now it doesn't seem so foreign or shocking to me. In any case I can't imagine myself spending upwards of $30 for a single title on video unless it was an exceptionally special circumstance.

"HAHAHA! Laserdiscs at $8.00 each? That's a wrong assumption, my friend.
You are forgetting that the cost only goes down when you order MORE volume.
To press up 500 units, they run about $12 each (you were only off by 50%).
Then you have to factor in the shipping costs to get each piece to the
distributors,
sending out FREE copies that I've paid for for promotion, and other various
pre-mastering costs (cover, etc.) People that aren't in this business have
NO idea
what it takes to do one of these. You look at the raw cost at face value and
have
no idea what it takes to GET that raw product on the shelf!"

"While you are standing there shaking your fist at the sky because laserdiscs
is (for the lack of a better word) dead, don't sit and blame people like us
for it's failure. I was a pioneer of the laserdisc industry many years
ago...I in no way ever wanted it to go away, but with my new company we are
limited by economic realities. If I CANNOT get enough pre-orders to even
come close to breaking even, it is IMPOSSIBLE for us to go forward with a
laserdisc. If all of Synapse's money is tied up into inventory in storage,
how can we come up with the money for the next license of a film you want to
see? I don't have 100 other titles coming out a month that can offset the
fact that some releases don't make as much money as others. For every
Document of the Dead that sells 465 units out the door, I don't have 5000+
units of MULAN moving out the door the same week to help my cash flow.

You say that we should promote them, etc. and maybe the awareness would be
higher! You know what? Advertising costs money too! Remember the
Laserdisc Preview magazine from Image? Probably the best magazine for
Laserdisc fans to know what was coming out. Do you KNOW how much a
full/half page ad cost for that little book? Where SHOULD people like me
advertise our laserdisc releases? You say that not everyone has internet
access, etc, so I'm assuming you think we should advertise them in other
magazines, etc. Where? Pay $5000+ for an ad in Entertainment Weekly or
Premiere? Movieline? No way..."

"I know the people at Columbia House. They have been friends of mine for
years. They were always telling me that people weren't ording anything
anymore. Keep in mind, I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just telling you
what they told me. Do you know HOW the Columbia House program worked?
Probably not...When CH ordered product from people like me, they didn't pay
one CENT more than the manufacturing cost for the product ($12). The
distributors got NO extra money up front...at best, we broke even. Then,
when CH SOLD a piece, we got a royalty check every few months for the pieces
they sell.

Now, you tell me...does someone like me WANT to just cover the manufacturing
costs (when we have other costs to recoup) to begin with on a product and
WAIT months in the hopes we'll get a less than 20% royalty on the PRICE they
sold it for? If they sell a disc for $16.99 with one of their 1/2 price
sales, I'd get a little over one dollar as a royalty. Nope, thats not for
me...that's probably why the club didn't work so well now that Laser is
failing. I'm not going to spend a ton of money putting out a disc, only to
make around $1.00 a few months after release if they sell one. I doubt
other larger distributors would bother either, now that the laserdisc
"heyday" is over. You know, it would've been fine around 3-4 years ago when
an average title was selling 3-4000 units....not anymore. Why do you think
Criterion NEVER had titles available through Columbia House? They probably
didn't want to be bothered, either. Their titles had higher than average
retail prices, but their manufacturing costs were the same, so they weren't
making anymore money on their product out the door than I was with Columbia
House. Not an exciting proposition for smaller "niche" companies."

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Old 05-30-13, 03:43 PM
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Re: Blue Underground and Synapse Films to release on Blu-ray

People bitch to hear themselves talk. Shout is a considerably larger company, with much better distribution than Synapse.

And the comparison to Kickstarter is just stupid. Like you said, Kickstarter helps a project happen, and you MIGHT get something in return, you just spent $92 for 2 blu-ray steelbooks that are limited editions. It is apples and oranges.
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Old 05-30-13, 04:45 PM
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I don't love DEMONS and DEMONS 2 to fork over $92, but many people do, and will. I know anything put out by Don May will be of the absolute highest quality possible. However, at this price point, I'll probably stick to my Arrow imports of PHENOMENA and TENEBRE, for which I paid considerablly less than $42 each, even when you consider the terrible exchange rate.

I guess catalog cult / horror Blu is becoming niche and expensive, like it was in the LD days. I've been on that ship before with LD, and it was a cash drain for sure.
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Old 05-30-13, 08:39 PM
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If the transfers aren't abysmal, the limited edition releases should hold their value. The niche Blu-ray market is becoming very similar to the days of the LD market. Blu-ray's overall market size precludes niche releases from doing big business, especially with the drop in retail shelf space for media.
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Re: Blue Underground and Synapse Films to release on Blu-ray

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People bitch to hear themselves talk. Shout is a considerably larger company, with much better distribution than Synapse.
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I agree with what Matthew Chmiel wrote. The bitching is ridiculous and has bled into Cult/Horror Film distributors' pages too. Diabolik DVD's Facebook had some random comments regarding the Steelbooks from Customers.

If the price is too high, don't buy it and wait for the (eventual) separate releases. Simple as that. It's not like Synapse charges this much for every film they put out.

For people to 'threaten' to never buy anything from Synapse again because of this one release? Hilarious!

Also what did everyone pay for the Intruder BD with DVD-R Workprint? I know that one wasn't the same price but it wasn't necessarily 'bargain' priced either.
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Re: Blue Underground and Synapse Films to release on Blu-ray

Street Trash delayed. New release date TBA:

http://synapse-films.com/news/the-st...a-good-reason/
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Old 05-31-13, 03:04 AM
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Re: Blue Underground and Synapse Films to release on Blu-ray

Originally Posted by asianxcore View Post
Street Trash delayed. New release date TBA:

http://synapse-films.com/news/the-st...a-good-reason/
they probably decided to go the steelbook route and charge everyone an arm and a leg
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Re: Blue Underground and Synapse Films to release on Blu-ray

If they need to charge $92 for 2 films to make a profit, they need to re-think how much time & money they put into a release or find a new business to get into.
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If they need to charge $92 for 2 films to make a profit, they need to re-think how much time & money they put into a release or find a new business to get into.
I have to imagine this is some kind of testing the boundaries a little further than say Twilight Time to see how much they can reliably charge for something like this, how much they can get away with. I mean, one of these titles is Demons 2. Before this I honestly never thought of Demons 2 as being particularly beloved, and I think it's an interesting title for him to be using in this circumstance. I mean I got the Demons 2 disc from 2007 and I wasn't able to make it halfway through the movie. I'd never imagine paying $20 for it let alone $45. I think it's an accomplishment that he's made Demons 2 one of the most conspicuous releases of the year, it's got me wanting to watch Demons 2 again if nothing else.

I am also still finding a lot of amusement in how the past and future are converging,

"I got TENEBRAE and DEMONS from Ken Cranes. About $40 each. And yes
they are beautiful transfers. They almost look too good!! You can see
the blood squirting from the straight-razor blade past Anthony
Franciosa's face as he's cutting his throat!!"

I wonder how long it will be before the first $100 Blu Ray special edition.

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Re: Blue Underground and Synapse Films to release on Blu-ray

From their Facebook:

Well, I want to thank all the fans and friends for supporting us! Our DEMONS and DEMONS 2 Steelbooks are now around 33% sold through of each, in just a little over 24 hours. Jerry and I want to give back a little something to our fans by having a surprise 50% sale on our website www.synapse-films.com! Now, to early morning Sunday, we're offering up a 50% coupon code: synapsesale. Entering this code at checkout, will give you 50% off your order (excluding some of the early preorder items, of course). As always, we offer free shipping in the U.S. Again, thank you all and we hope you have a fantastic day!
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I really can't justify the price of the Demon Steelbooks for a few reasons, but I like that they are doing it. It's one of those rare occasions for me where I am already regretting not purchasing them, but the sensible side of me knows that I'd regret it even more if I do, if that makes sense!

More power to them I say! Honestly I'm just glad they are still around in today's market, and I'm definitely going to grab a few titles between now and Sunday.
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For someone who has 42nd St. Forever Vol. 1-4 and XXX, is Vol. 5 and the later BD release worth it? From what I remember the BD is basically the best trailers from 1 and 2, with additional commentaries? Right or wrong? I imagine the PQ is improved as much as possible, but sometimes I enjoy the lower quality/resolution for things like that, hence one reason why I'm likely not going to pick up the new Demon releases.
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Re: Blue Underground and Synapse Films to release on Blu-ray

Originally Posted by beesonosu View Post
I imagine the PQ is improved as much as possible, but sometimes I enjoy the lower quality/resolution for things like that, hence one reason why I'm likely not going to pick up the new Demon releases.


Considering the Anchor Bay DVD re-release used the same exact master as the original non-anamorphic release, uh, I think any Blu-ray release would be an improvement in quality.
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Originally Posted by beesonosu View Post
For someone who has 42nd St. Forever Vol. 1-4 and XXX, is Vol. 5 and the later BD release worth it?
Yup. Aside from the rehash of the first 2 volumes, the commentary makes it a worthy upgrade (imo) and there are about a dozen new trailers added.
The only negative thing about the BD is that, since the disc so long, the scene-selection menu is a chore to get through. Especially if you want to check out trailers near the end. And maybe it's my TV, but the menus here are super small.

Vol-5 is one of my most favorite of the series. Great mix of trailers (And yet another good commentary to go along with it) also a fun promo about the history & events about the Alamo Drafthouse.
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50% Sale at Synapse's Site! Ends this Sunday.

http://synapse-films.com/news/synaps...r-spring-sale/
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