General Blu-ray news and discussion PART 3
10-24-07 | 10:36 AM
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10-24-07 | 10:41 AM
#152
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
I didn't read it that way at all. Seemed more like a frustrated, detailed reply from someone tired of dealing with the subject. Just my 2 cents.
But that's not how he does it. He gives O'Reilly like spin to BD and negative spin to HD. This makes people question his objectivity and motives.
Furthermore, some of his BD news quotes "insiders" who are faceless Deep Throats whose comments cannot be verified. Or he's simply regurgitating information from self-proclaimed insiders that can equally not be verified and many of which are extremely pro-BD and anti-HD-DVD.
It really comes down to how much credence you lend a poster's comments. Some people have rightly earned that, others have not. We all need to make that decision for ourselves.
I don't like to block any member unless he's being racist, insulting or just plain stupid because I feel that everyone's contribution to this forum is important. Also, I feel that this forum has a rich tradition of spirited discussion amongst differing opinions and blocking users does not continue that.
Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Pro-B himself instructed us that "no one's opinions and information should be questioned more" than his own in a recent posting.
10-24-07 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DVD Josh
When you hold the position of DVD Talk Reviewer, it is you responsibility to uphold the company line on issues like hd vs. bd. That means at least be neutral. I would have no problem if he posted just BD news and promoted the format and ignored the very existence of HD-DVD.
But that's not how he does it. He gives O'Reilly like spin to BD and negative spin to HD. This makes people question his objectivity and motives.
Furthermore, some of his BD news quotes "insiders" who are faceless Deep Throats whose comments cannot be verified. Or he's simply regurgitating information from self-proclaimed insiders that can equally not be verified and many of which are extremely pro-BD and anti-HD-DVD.
It really comes down to how much credence you lend a poster's comments. Some people have rightly earned that, others have not. We all need to make that decision for ourselves.
I don't like to block any member unless he's being racist, insulting or just plain stupid because I feel that everyone's contribution to this forum is important. Also, I feel that this forum has a rich tradition of spirited discussion amongst differing opinions and blocking users does not continue that.
Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Pro-B himself instructed us that "no one's opinions and information should be questioned more" than his own in a recent posting.
But that's not how he does it. He gives O'Reilly like spin to BD and negative spin to HD. This makes people question his objectivity and motives.
Furthermore, some of his BD news quotes "insiders" who are faceless Deep Throats whose comments cannot be verified. Or he's simply regurgitating information from self-proclaimed insiders that can equally not be verified and many of which are extremely pro-BD and anti-HD-DVD.
It really comes down to how much credence you lend a poster's comments. Some people have rightly earned that, others have not. We all need to make that decision for ourselves.
I don't like to block any member unless he's being racist, insulting or just plain stupid because I feel that everyone's contribution to this forum is important. Also, I feel that this forum has a rich tradition of spirited discussion amongst differing opinions and blocking users does not continue that.
Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Pro-B himself instructed us that "no one's opinions and information should be questioned more" than his own in a recent posting.
10-24-07 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by tonymontana313
It's funny that you would call other people out when if you take a look at the history of your posts, you are one of the ones that bash all of the BR articles posted. Another question, why are you in a Blu-ray thread when you don't even own a blu-ray player?
It is a popular political tactic; attack the messenger and not the message.
This thread has turned into a shill zone, not a discussion area. I tried a few posts back to redirect onto discussion of BD to get away from the bickering. There are some people who just seem to want to fight about this.
This is a BD Discussion thread. Ownership of BD is not required to participate. Nor is "allegiance" to Sony. I can be critical of something without owning it. If you look at my posts, I have never, ever commented on the PQ of a BD disc, because I don't have BD and my comments would be uneducated. I can comment on the business moves made by Sony and the studios.
We need to move away from the passive-aggressive bickering and outright aggressive bickering and just move on. Both formats are here to stay for a while.
10-24-07 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Hammer99
Pot, meet kettle.
10-24-07 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DVD Josh
When you hold the position of DVD Talk Reviewer, it is you responsibility to uphold the company line on issues like hd vs. bd. That means at least be neutral. I would have no problem if he posted just BD news and promoted the format and ignored the very existence of HD-DVD.
I've never gotten the impression that reviewers here are required to appear neutral. I can think of at least 2 reviewers whom I would immediately identify as favoring HD DVD, but it doesn't affect my perspective when reading their reviews.
10-24-07 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Hammer99
10-24-07 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DVD Josh
That's fine. You seem more apt to attempt clever one liners and attacking other members than contributing anything of substance to these discussions anyway.
10-24-07 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
You're talking about the WB sets right?
Definitely a good deal for those who won't have them yet.
I think there's one coming next month with Troy: DC, Alexander FC, Wyatt Earp and one other I can't think of at the moment. Definitely a good deal @ ~$60.
Definitely a good deal for those who won't have them yet.
I think there's one coming next month with Troy: DC, Alexander FC, Wyatt Earp and one other I can't think of at the moment. Definitely a good deal @ ~$60.
I noticed that FYE also has a decent selection, but their prices are a little scary.
10-24-07 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
This is not meant to be argumentative, but says who?
I've never gotten the impression that reviewers here are required to appear neutral. I can think of at least 2 reviewers whom I would immediately identify as favoring HD DVD, but it doesn't affect my perspective when reading their reviews.
I've never gotten the impression that reviewers here are required to appear neutral. I can think of at least 2 reviewers whom I would immediately identify as favoring HD DVD, but it doesn't affect my perspective when reading their reviews.
10-24-07 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tonymontana313
Shhh...they would rather do things the hard way rather than the easy way. My problem is with people that don't own BR and come in to this thread to bash. There is nothing wrong with a healthy discussion but this thread within the last couple of months has gone to hell with certain people just waiting for the next article or poster to bash.
10-24-07 | 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by chanster
Good job on the Blu-Ray Discussion! Keep it going, its real informative and focused on Blu Ray.
I am not going to respond to the personal attack of me in this thread. I simply ask:
When did the Blu Ray thread become only a positive spin zone for Blu Ray - this is Blu Ray discussion, discussion implies both good and bad discussion, not just Blu Ray is the best.
I am not going to respond to the personal attack of me in this thread. I simply ask:
When did the Blu Ray thread become only a positive spin zone for Blu Ray - this is Blu Ray discussion, discussion implies both good and bad discussion, not just Blu Ray is the best.
10-24-07 | 12:22 PM
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I think it's the goal of a few to run off the last remaining pro-blu members. Regardless of who win's the argument here, the forum reader loses. Anyone trying to briefly catch up on Blu-ray news (and discussion of that news) will find pages of discussion having nothing to do with Blu-ray itself. It's been a constant cycle on this forum. I think this calls for more involved moderation. Format war threads didn't work. Is there a need for a dedicated anti-Blu-ray thread to please some here?
10-24-07 | 12:32 PM
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Can we get a breakdown of your pro/anti-BD posts?
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10-24-07 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DVD Josh
This response was even more smarmy and deflective as I imagined it would be. It's good to see you are completely incapable of having a courteous exchange with a fellow member without resorting to the same posting style as you do with your BD news and HD-DVD responses.
And a small clarification -- the following quote is not mine, it is courtesy of DVDBEAVER, and this is precisely how it was posted on DVDBEAVER:
" NOTE: The Blu-ray is on only one disc where the HD is spread over 2 - this is a huge separation point - drawing some concrete lines in the format war. "
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
As others have stated, its not reall the articles we are bashing, its the way they are being posted. Was it really needed to post this:
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showpost.ph...4&postcount=85
Those type of comments from a reviewer who is obviously biased (Making the mention that The Shining HD DVD has 2 discs 4 times in the article) was unneeded. Its just begging to get attacked.
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showpost.ph...4&postcount=85
Those type of comments from a reviewer who is obviously biased (Making the mention that The Shining HD DVD has 2 discs 4 times in the article) was unneeded. Its just begging to get attacked.
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10-24-07 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
I have nothing else to add to what I have already written. You requested that I respond to your criticism, I did. This being said, I leave it to others to judge whose actions were deflective. Suffice to say both you and GizmoDVD refused to provide facts to support your claims/criticism - he suggested that readers find the relevant info at AVS while you were unwilling to go back and dive through threads. So much for your touted courteous exchange.
Also, the phrase "dive through threads" has no ill meaning, and you are taking it offensively for absolutely no reason (italicized because you like italics more than BD apparently).
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10-24-07 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DVD Josh
When you hold the position of DVD Talk Reviewer, it is you responsibility to uphold the company line on issues like hd vs. bd. That means at least be neutral. I would have no problem if he posted just BD news and promoted the format and ignored the very existence of HD-DVD.
Anyway, let's please discuss Blu-ray NEWS and stop bitching at each other. Here are a few reminders:
- No, you don't need to own a BD player to participate in this thread.
- Yes, you may post and discuss all BD-related news, whether positive or negative.
- However, if most of your posts are merely to rebut a pro-BD news, then you're NOT welcome here (yeah, that's called trolling).
- Please discuss NEWS and not EACH OTHER.
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10-24-07 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by namja
MOD NOTE: DVD Josh, I know you backed up a little bit on the "neutral" comment already (your post where you said, "neutral is probably the wrong word"), but just to give an official clarification: being a DVD Talk Reviewer does not mean that one has to be format neutral. Not implying that any particular reviewer is pro-HD or pro-BD, just that it's natural for a person to be pro-something in a split like this. Even people who own and love both formats and claim to be format neutral generally have a preference towards one format.
Anyway, let's please discuss Blu-ray NEWS and stop bitching at each other. Here are a few reminders:
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Anyway, let's please discuss Blu-ray NEWS and stop bitching at each other. Here are a few reminders:
- No, you don't need to own a BD player to participate in this thread.
- Yes, you may post and discuss all BD-related news, whether positive or negative.
- However, if most of your posts are merely to rebut a pro-BD news, then you're NOT welcome here (yeah, that's called trolling).
- Please discuss NEWS and not EACH OTHER.
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10-24-07 | 03:22 PM
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'3:10 to Yuma' Ready to Ride on Blu-ray this January
Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 11:00 AM ET
Lionsgate has sent an early alert to retailers that '3:10 to Yuma' will be saddling up for a day-and-date release on both Blu-ray and standard DVD this January.
A remake of the classic 1957 western, '3:10 to Yuma' hit theaters in early September, and has earned nearly $50 million at the domestic box office so far, largely on the backs of stars Russell Crowe and Christian Bale.
Lionsgate will give the James Mangold-directed actioner a fairly speedy trip to video, with a retail street date of January 8, 2008 for the Blu-ray and DVD versions.
Given the early announcement to retail, there are no tech specs or supplemental details available as of yet. A full press release is expected shortly, so we'll keep you posted.
Retail for the Blu-ray will be $39.98.
Wed Oct 24, 2007 at 11:00 AM ET
Lionsgate has sent an early alert to retailers that '3:10 to Yuma' will be saddling up for a day-and-date release on both Blu-ray and standard DVD this January.
A remake of the classic 1957 western, '3:10 to Yuma' hit theaters in early September, and has earned nearly $50 million at the domestic box office so far, largely on the backs of stars Russell Crowe and Christian Bale.
Lionsgate will give the James Mangold-directed actioner a fairly speedy trip to video, with a retail street date of January 8, 2008 for the Blu-ray and DVD versions.
Given the early announcement to retail, there are no tech specs or supplemental details available as of yet. A full press release is expected shortly, so we'll keep you posted.
Retail for the Blu-ray will be $39.98.
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10-24-07 | 05:00 PM
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Gary Tooze, the original DVD Beaver guy, had a good article about high def formats here:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/articl...ray-hd-dvd.htm
His ultimate conclusion, which is where I stand right now (having bought an HD DVD player, and really wanting prices to go down on Blu Ray) says this:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/articl...ray-hd-dvd.htm
His ultimate conclusion, which is where I stand right now (having bought an HD DVD player, and really wanting prices to go down on Blu Ray) says this:
I might suggest going cheaper HD first as I personally did, and if you are so enamored by the experience - buy Blu-ray in a year when it is, hopefully, as inexpensive. I think there is enough in HD at present (and announced) to satisfy many film fans for a long while and I don't foresee it dying a slow death - it might end up with 5000 titles in the next decade... or, then again, it may not.
I wouldn’t write off either format yet and I'm hoping, and truly believe; at least one will survive to eventually (10 years?) become a standard – so much has been spent (and and is continues to be spent) but the future adjusts so rapidly how can anyone predict it anymore. I have a soft spot for HD as they seem to be the underdog in many people’s eyes - it is region free as well that I expect more arthouse and foreign film titles will be released if HD ends up ‘winning’ (ex. Studio Canal in France – an original HD supporter – has a huge world cinema library to access. NOTE: They just announced they will also support Blu-ray in some titles as well - see HERE). I'll repeat; If it cost more to produce BR discs than HD then I envision less studios up-converting bountiful releases from their vault (we tend to like the obscure rather than the mainstream here at DVDBeaver)… and hence my suggestion that it has more chance of going niche (SACD’ing as it were). I'd like whatever new format ends up conquering to be widespread and reasonably priced as well (for consumer support and for production to make available a diverse enough catalogue of titles).
I wouldn’t write off either format yet and I'm hoping, and truly believe; at least one will survive to eventually (10 years?) become a standard – so much has been spent (and and is continues to be spent) but the future adjusts so rapidly how can anyone predict it anymore. I have a soft spot for HD as they seem to be the underdog in many people’s eyes - it is region free as well that I expect more arthouse and foreign film titles will be released if HD ends up ‘winning’ (ex. Studio Canal in France – an original HD supporter – has a huge world cinema library to access. NOTE: They just announced they will also support Blu-ray in some titles as well - see HERE). I'll repeat; If it cost more to produce BR discs than HD then I envision less studios up-converting bountiful releases from their vault (we tend to like the obscure rather than the mainstream here at DVDBeaver)… and hence my suggestion that it has more chance of going niche (SACD’ing as it were). I'd like whatever new format ends up conquering to be widespread and reasonably priced as well (for consumer support and for production to make available a diverse enough catalogue of titles).
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10-24-07 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ianholm
^^DVDEmpire lists a 7.1 PCM track for 3:10. That is going to sound f'in amazing 
Cool! I meant to see this in the theater but they pulled it from the DLP room before I could get to it. Can't wait to get this disc.
10-24-07 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by chanster
Gary Tooze, the original DVD Beaver guy, had a good article about high def formats here:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/articl...ray-hd-dvd.htm
His ultimate conclusion, which is where I stand right now (having bought an HD DVD player, and really wanting prices to go down on Blu Ray) says this:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/articl...ray-hd-dvd.htm
His ultimate conclusion, which is where I stand right now (having bought an HD DVD player, and really wanting prices to go down on Blu Ray) says this:
10-24-07 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
Cool! I meant to see this in the theater but they pulled it from the DLP room before I could get to it. Can't wait to get this disc.
