I remember reading the quote from the Fox guy about not having enough time. Maybe they wanted to do seamless branching and did not have enough time to make that transfer. Why they couldn't just put the unrated version out, I have no idea. Do stores like Wal-Mart still refuse to sell unrated versions of movies? They might be a good reason. If they use seamless branching they can still call it pg-13.

I was leading among those leading the charge of "fuck fox" for the LFoDH blu-ray issues, but having read reviews of the Unrated DVD, it sounds like it's a mixed bag at best...some more bad ADR to insert swear words doesn't really fix the adr problems I had with the film... anyhow, I've got the set on order...I thought about skipping due to the PG-13 but I LOVED the movie in theatres, so I'll still be able to see the movie I loved.

I'll rent the SD to check out the Unrated, but especially since the 4 disc set is CHEAPER than buying the first 3 films alone, this is a no brainer if I've ever seen one... also, since Die Hard flicks aren't ones I see myself selling in the future, the fact it's all in one case doesn't bother me. I can't wait to get this (amazon to me usually takes a few days so I'll be behind the rest of you on actually getting to watch these).

Simply answer is Fox wasn't doing anything while they were on "hiatus".
However there is no reason why the unrated cut should not be available on Blu-ray if it is in fact going to be available in Australia 2 weeks later. They already canceled dozens of titles yet had no time for one of their biggest movies of the year? Color me confused.

Pro-B, still waiting for a response as to where it was addressed.

C'mon Gizmo, Phantom already answered the question. Now you're just egging pro-b on and the mods have already warned that they're going to start banning people. Just take a deep breath and just relax.

Agreed. Let's cool off. The simple fact of the matter is that LFoDH is the PG-13 only cut in the U.S. and according to Fox, it was due to time constraints. That's the information I got directly from a member of Fox's Blu-ray department. And, as has been pointed out, the series set is going to cost less than buying the individual discs of the first three, so it's not like we're getting charged more for the 4th one.

Its fine. I'm just more or less annoyed that he refused to give me an answer like it was a secret or something.

Maybe I'm blind, but I don't see anything on that EzyDVD link that says it's the uncut version.

I see it says the rating is M, but do we know for a fact that means it's uncut?

I’ll get right to the point:

There is a reason why you have got quite a few people here in trouble during the last 24 hours. You instigate unneeded tension in this thread which often results in shootouts similar to the one you had with BurntThrough. I personally am just about done correcting what you intentionally misinterpret and more importantly have zero interest in calling out your provocations.

This being said, I did not refuse to supply you with information. I glanced through the forum this morning and took the Sunday off heading to Wisconsin. I don't play conspiracy games, I read! So, here’s your clarification which has been debated on many big Blu-Ray websites:

September 7th, 2007 (front page TDB):
Furthermore, to address your concerns about what is it that you are missing from the unrated cut I offer you this source (you really do not need to be fluent in German to understand the comparison):

http://www.schnittberichte.com/schni...l/diehard4.php

Finally, here’s the British TIMES and their take on the much touted unrated cut, via SDVD, and what you’ve been barred from seeing:

Review source:
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=66190

Take care,
Pro-B

Right on, Pro-B.

pro-b: No need to be finger pointing. This could've been settled without GizmoDVD asking over and over if you simply posted that earlier instead of baiting him on with your "It has been addressed already" posts. If you find him really annoying, then just ignore him altogether.

Hammer99: You're not helping the matter. You keep fueling the fire then complaining to the mods.

I'm not fond of many of GizmoDVD's posts either. But there was no need to jump on his PG13 complaint with responses like "Enjoy your SDs then. " (Hammer99) or "It has been addressed already. And please do not try to turn this into another shootout just as you did with BurntThru." (pro-B). You make comments like that at him, then act all innocent as though you had no hand in the current situation. He made an annoying comment, I'll give you that, but you two instigated this by responding directly to him.

namja
Moderator, DVD Talk Forums

These Blu-ray sales are putting a dent in my pocket ( 12 discs purchased in 1 day ), but it hurts SO GOOD !!!! Hey pro-b keep fighting the good fight. WE ARE LEGION.

The problem I see is that we can no longer have good discussions here. It ends up becoming a format pissing match. If someone posts something negative or even remotely against the other format, someone jumps in to quickly negate it or argue against them just for the sake of it. I don't think I've seen anyone ever concede on a point on either side.

We have people who constantly post comments that instigate pissing matches and then we have the mods coming down on the people who respond. The fact is that you guys have constantly told everyone not to do this, but the same people continue to do so. Honestly, I'm getting tired of it and it's why I don't even like posting here anymore. I tend to lurk most of the time.

I think we need to have an open discussion where everyone lays out what their format preferences are that way we know where everyone is coming from. I think that it's ridiculous some people say they are format 'neutral' when clearly they are not. Just have a stickied post where this is noted. It could say that I am format neutral, but I hope X format wins or I want X format to win and I will support it 'til death. That's all.

A problem to be found at just about any discussion forum about the HD formats.

The people who respond in an aggressive way are usually the people who make the inciting comments against their format of choice, so the door swings both ways. A negative comment isn't going to start a pissing match if no one bothers to respond to it. If you think Gizmo or Hammer or Pro-B or anyone else is trolling, don't respond. It's as simple as that. If they keep harping on it without anyone else talking about it, it would make things a lot easier for the moderators to single that person out. But in a situation like the one above, all three members are guilty of escalating the issue.

While a nice idea in theory, a thread like that would be nothing but a sanctioned format war discussion. Things would turn nasty about, oh, maybe 5 posts in, and that acrimony would spread to the rest of the forums. The fact is, if you can't figure out the allegiances of the vocal minorities here, then you're not looking hard enough. I think a good portion of the posters here are genuinely format neutral, in that they really don't care who wins the race as long as we get some good content out of it. It's a few specific posters who tend to turn the discussions sour, and if stuff like this keeps going on, we will start to see some suspensions. I hate to do that, as I'd prefer to keep the discussion open. But if people can't behave, we have to step in.

What many are forgetting is that this is a Blu-ray news and discussion thread, not an "I love Blu-ray" thread. This thread should be no more pro-BD than pro-HD. So we welcome all positive and negative news regarding Blu-ray in this thread. We have room for PS3 sold 100,000+ since the price drop news as well as I hate Fox for not giving us (HD folks) the Unrated version news. These types of news are both valid and welcome (personally, I'm very happy about Sony dropping prices on the PS3, and I'm very annoyed at Fox for LFoDH).

Some of you feel that you are Blu-ray/Sony/Fox/etc. You are not. When Sony or Fox does something retarded, then some people will call out on it. If you get offended by that, then you really should stay out of this thread or maybe even the entire HD Talk Forum (and you're going to need to develop a thicker skin if you want to survive in this world).

Again, this a news & discussion thread, so expect to see both pros and cons of Blu-ray here.

namja
Moderator, DVD Talk Forums

This is my feeling on it... Sure the unrated would be nice and all, but its looking more and more like it doesnt really add much so it makes it easier for me.

Um, if you read my post, you would see my point. The PS3 sales does affect Bluray disc sales. So, talking about gaming system sales in this thread is relevant.

You can take the chip off your shoulder now.

Anyone else looking forward to picking up Bad Santa tomorrow? It's been under the radar with the Die Hard releases but with both the unrated and director's cut included, this looks like a day one purchase as well. I mean who can't enjoy Billy Bob pissing himself silly!

They should package the DVD with a candy corn and a pink stuffed elephant. And of course, a sandwich.

Looking forward to this, since I never got around to picking up the Director's cut on DVD.

negative and positive make the most interesting and revealing discussions to be sure and it's be a pretty bland world if all we allowed was positive news. however a certain member (who i'll refrain from calling out) has been posting little more than a barage of negative (and frankly repetative) commentary to the bd threads on this forum. it de-rails discussions and swamps what little news might be worthy of being read. do mods have to be informed of these posting patterns before they can act, in a kind of "telling on you" way, or are they free to act on their own? it's difficult to know.

You may not be aware of this, but the studios only strike one HD master for each film, which is then both used for High Definition and then downconverted for DVD. They don't strike separate "good" masters for HD and "bad" masters for standard DVD.

The theory you posted above is not accurate. If Fox has an Unrated master of Live Free or Die Hard suitable for DVD, they also have one ready for HD. The hold-up here is due to some other factor, perhaps disc authoring or replication, not due to needing another master.

which I'm sure is why you see "mastered in high definition" on dvd packaging nowadays.

So the bolded part in #658 as the reason for the delay is false?

The compression and authoring is done after the HD master is created, so the above comment is probably true. They didn't have time to perform the encoding for the Blu-ray movie due to time constraints.

I LOVE this movie. I think I might actually buy this tomorrow at Frys since it will be $19.99 and just hold onto the receipt if it does go BOGO in the next few weks. This movie is hilarious and Heather Lauren Graham....yummy.

Ive heard of several different reasons as to why there is no Unrated on Blu-ray...but if its coming out in Australia in two weeks then TDB's answer makes no sense. Why is it available there in 2 weeks but not here? I would assume they would use the same transfer, right? I would never consider TDB news to be official at all, especially since they tend to spin negative Blu-ray news into positives and positive HD DVD news into negative. Too biased for it to be actually trusted.