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^ Pretty much. Like I said above, it's all the same cons, just worded in a prettier way.

^^ So I could lend it to a buddy, he pops it in for 30 minutes and either doesn't like it or gets too busy with other things to go back to it. He gives it back but I cannot lend it to my brother who might play through the whole thing?

Still fishy.

Lending not being available at launch screams that this is a backpeddling move to appear to care and was never intended.

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Sounds like he wouldn't even be able to give it back to you. It's a "transfer" and "each game can only be given once." And don't forget, it's something that "game publishers can enable you" to do, but hey, they might not.

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I didn't think that was meant to be lending, I thought it was a permanent giveaway.

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You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

The description sounds to me like you can always play the games on your account at ANY TIME. Only one of the 10 "family members" can play at a time.

I suspect the game is tied or owned to your account and the 10 family members each have their own account that is linked or associated with yours. The owner account can play anytime but only one of the 10 family linked accounts can play at a time.

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http://thinkbeta.com/blog/wp-content...usters-guy.gif

I'm looking forward to the day when all this actually makes sense.

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Yeah that's the thing... everyone was critical of Sony's initial lack of details... but they may be playing the smartest move. Who knows if they've had time to change things just based off the Microsoft reactions... they may end up with similar software restrictions, but they can still play up the 'gamers first' angle. These chess moves are pretty fascinating to watch... especially with millions on the line...

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so basically this is now Sonys war to lose

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The more I consider what MS has revealed, the more I'm returning to my original stance. The benefit of getting games digitally and/or not getting up to swap discs isn't enough to overcome the restrictions they've put in place here. The fact is, if I buy a car, I can resell it without getting the dealer's approval. If I buy a book, I can resell it without prior approval from the publisher. And if I buy a video game, then I should be able to resell it without restrictions. I should be able to loan the games without restrictions. I should be able to rent games and play them through for the price of the rental, without jumping through hoops. This whole setup feels too anti-consumer to me. Unless there are drastic changes, I'm out for the XO.

Now, Sony, it's up to you not to screw this up.

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My initial thoughts on the expanded details.

24-hour internet connection check: This is ridiculous bullshit. Even if it never impacts playing a game, it's unnecessary, intrusive and completely without justification.

Cloud access: I can't see this working well. I've got 7.5Mbps internet, but it's spotty at times and can give me issues just streaming video. I can't imagine it's going to be good enough for playing non-locally stored games.

Family game sharing: This could be nice if done well. My cousin and I both play a lot of the same games and it'd be nice to be able to share them. Unfortunately, it sounds like sharing is cloud-based, which goes back to the previous point.

Trade-ins: Sounds like my hypothetical prediction back on the original announcement day is pretty much spot on. It pisses me off that they're killing off half.com/ebay/Amazon marketplace transactions, as those are often the best deal for dumping used games. It's a shit approach and hopefully it bombs and they get rid of it, but I'm on the fence as to whether it's a deal killer.


I think my biggest questions are 1) if Microsoft will never profit from used game sales, does that mean all first party games can be traded in with no exclusions? 2) How are publishers going to integrate the used game thing? If it looks like most, or even half, of games are going to have little to no restrictions on trading them in, I may pick up the XO and just avoid any game with restrictions, depending on what Sony announces. It sucks though. It's like Microsoft is saying to the gaming community, 'Love your 360? Have a little goodwill towards us? So how much can we fuck you in the ass with our new console? Just let us know and we promise to only fuck you that much!'

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So basically MS thinks we're all thieves and wants to check in on us every day like a parole officer. Whatever happened to just sticking a game in your console and playing your game? The 360 does that so what changed between the 360s life and xb1? Is piracy that rampant on 360?

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I primarily rent the games I want to play for the 360. With xbox one, looks like that's not even gonna be possible. looks like my next console will be the PS4 (unless they adopt the same policy in which case FU to both companies and game publishers. I will never game again.)

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That made me laugh. Always Online and Always Kinected! He should have just moved his "couch".

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Yes

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Most convoluted console launch ever :lol:

While most of these things don't really apply to me, I still think they're pretty ridiculous. Has Microsoft learned nothing in the past decade? Treating your customers like thieving little children doesn't fix shit, it only makes it worse.

I can't wait for the One to get hacked :up: I'm starting to think there will be a Xbox One emulator out before there's a working 360 one -even if it is gaming in a VM.

With Gaikai I know the PS4 will have some sort of online rental system like OnLive (the only way to really rent PC games), it's almost inevitable. Microsoft said while the Xbox One will not launch with rental support they are "looking into it". Once they get sued for overlooking something that makes them essentially a monopoly again, everything will be back to normal.

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"Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."

Well for sure I'm out for the time being even if I had the funds, I don't have a gamerscore just south of 250K by just buying games. Will be playing my 360 for the foreseeable future.

Why do I see once you are able to(If it happens) rent games for XO and possibly PS4 if they follow suit costing at least twice as much as Gamefly currently costs.

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Allow me to sip some kool-aid and spin things a different way...

After yesterday's Xbox news, you basically have to treat the majority of next-gen games like MMOs. They're services now. They obviously want to move to a realm where content is pushed from servers, making games more dynamic than just something that's pressed to a disc once finished and shipped. They are making bold and certainly potential frustrating changes to how games will be played from now on.

There will still be self-contained single player games that never touch "the cloud", sure. But the next generation of consoles isn't being dedicated to that. Video games have gotten stagnant. Something has to change and this is what they think needs to change. They're doing it to try and make games better (regardless of if we think it makes them better or not).

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That isn't a spin that's exactly the company line. And it does nothing but remind everybody of:

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/inser...03/simcity.png

The fact somebody can play the same game as you at the same time is pretty cool though, kudos on that one :up: -- or did I miss read that big green thing?

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Gamefly and redbox can't be too thrilled.

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With a move to cloud gaming, we aren't far away from "renting" games directly from the developers anyway.

Yeah you may run into issues, try using OnLive sometime and see how that works. http://games.onlive.com/

My 16mbps net access was just rolled over to 32mbps as some freebie thing with Comcast so that part I'm not too concerned about.

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No.

The 21st Century happened.

Yes.

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And if things go like the launch of SimCity then the next gen consoles will have to make changes to survive. There'll be ways to turn off the constant checking if game after game fails.

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I don't mind the online checking tbh, I'm used to it from being a PC gamer and once-a-day isn't a huge deal to me - I can always tether my phone if I really need to get it working and my internet is down (plus 4G here is faster than my cable internet). It isn't quite like a Laptop where I often want to play my games on an Airplane and can't because I don't have internet.

It's the whole "loaning games" restrictions which turn me off. It seriously is very silly.

Such is DRM.

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I can't quite grasp your over-zealous approval of everything MS is trying to do. I get change is sometimes good and often resisted... but your staunch defense of all their moves is laughable. You are to this thread as Somethingmore or GizmoDVD are to the Wii U thread.