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I'm pretty sure most people understand that, it's just a mind set that isn't easily associated with physical media. It's something we expect when we perform a digital download, not what we expect when we purchase something from the store.

The Xbox One will have a nifty feature in installing games and having them play completely off the Hard Drive so you can seamlessly change between them, The PS4 will probably have the exact same feature but only with the games you purchase online and the single disc in your drive - similar to how the Playstation 3, Xbox 360 and especially the Playstation Vita currently works. I'm okay with this, it's sort of the best of both worlds situation without the convoluted mess Microsoft has going. Microsoft is trying to be bleeding edge with this but it isn't a consumer friendly solution.

The PS Vita is probably the most similar to what Microsoft is trying to accomplish. You can multitask like crazy on that guy and then resume your game like nothing happened. Since it is the PS Vita, however, I have to assume the Playstation 4 will work in a very similar fashion.

Both machines will heavily suport digital content sales, Sony's solution for is just more logical for the current video game environment.

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I'm still getting an Xbox One. There is no way in hell I could ever game with the Sony controller.

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This is horseshit and you know it. The issue is that this is EXACTLY how "we" currently define what a game is. If the publishers want to change they culture, they need to be prepared for the backlash. Ease people into digital distribution with cheaper prices to undercut the used market. Have a way to broker a "gift" or "transfer" of ownership.

You won't find very many groups of people on the internet that believe that artists deserve money for their work than here on this forum, but even we know nonsense when we see it.

Stop punishing the consumer because you don't like the market and instead adapt to and guide the market. This is all very much like how the RIAA responded to Napster and the like. Then iTunes came around and changed it. Steam is like iTunes in that regard, the problem is you have MS trying to lock every single thing down to the point it punishes the people who actually give them the original purchase instead of going after the secondary market to monetize it.

The online pass was the right way to do it and I still say that, to this day, if the stupid games came with a QR code that your Kinect/Eye/Smartphone/whatever could scan and instantly authenticate instead of a 25-character code, it would have been far less intrusive to the first purchasers. Sadly, this is something that will likely happen with the "Kinect 2.0-required" world of the X1, it's just too little, too late.

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I agree, the problem I have with MS is that they are trying to sell the new way (digital code) in a traditional brick & mortar way, and made a convoluted mess of it. If they had just made XB1 completely digital, I think they would not have to deal with most of the issues since there is no physical product. And since the system requires online everyday anyway, only those with good boardband should buy it and it won't confuse less educated consumers.

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Bottom line for me is that if you have to put up web pages and issue press releases on how your new system works, it's too complicated. They fucked up, they know it but they are going to forge ahead. Without my money this time, until it gets fixed.

I can almost guarantee they won't do very many amazing sales because they still have to keep those retailers happy with discs on the shelves. Only when the game is $10 or less in the store will we see the equivalent on the Xbox One. I guess we'll see soon enough.

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DEFINITELY going with PS4 now....No question about it. Damn, talk about a surprise - great price too.

I didn't have time to watch any videos or anything but the one pic I saw showed the camera for the PS4 separate....is that right?

Great article as well.

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I think most people (at least here) understand exactly what you posted and just hate it. When things go all digital, well, they go all digital and people will deal with it. I get what you're saying, but MS has basically come out with the position, 'well, we're not ready to go all digital yet, but we're going to go ahead and give you the major downsides of what it will be like because fuck used games and you don't really own anything.' As a whole, console gamers fully expect the first-sale doctrine to apply, as it has for the entire history of consoles. Handing them a physical game and saying, 'you don't really own this and can only do with it what we allow' is incredibly stupid in terms of maintaining a relationship with the community. And honestly, I'm still kind of blown away MS did it. It's just such a completely boneheaded, out-of-touch stance to take that it boggles the mind.

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Severely limiting the customer isn't looking ahead to the future. That is ridiculous. None of their restrictions were done for the benefit of the consumer.

There are some positives, some already listed:

- you don't have to change discs
- ability to share your game library with 10 family members
- your gold account gives access to everyone in your house

There are a few more related to all these changes and of course some people won't see them as positive.

I'm not really "affected" by the pros or cons of Microsoft changes though.

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Maybe I missed this, but why would Xbox One have an advantage with cheaper digital downloads and Steam-like sales? Won't the PS4 also have digital downloads and can put things on sale just as easily (while both risk ticking off retailers)?

I mean they even went so far as to go all digital download for the PSP Go at one point, and I think the mandate is that all Vita games are available digitally day and date with regular releases, with most having a slight discount.

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Only one can play it at a time though.

The only positive of the restrictions that actually benefits users is not having to swap discs, but that clearly was just a side effect and not one of the reasons behind all the restrictions.

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Sony already beats MS on the cheap games. They have PS+ and IGC. MS puts the same shit on 50% discount over and over, well past its prime.

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yeah, but how many "Day One" consoles end up on ebay & craigslist?

Exactly. If the general consumer can't figure out the WiiU, xbone is fucking doomed.

- $60, sold separately

:up: Methinks stu has some serious MS stock he's riding on.

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I've been going back and forth with all my friends (we like to all get the same console to game together) but they are fucking stubborn as hell. Two don't want to deal with discs and have no problems giving up their ownership rights to be lazy. They want the possible deals that come with retail discs, but the convenience of never using those discs. So they don't want to commit to a full priced digital version on PSN.

Another already pre-ordered PS4 with me and the fifth is open to whatever majority rules. He's a CoD guy, so he doesn't care either way.

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If that works in the same way that gamesharing/Accounts do on the PS3, I'd be willing to buy the Xbox much sooner than I currently plan on buying it.

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I'm glad I finally don't have to change discs. I got rid of all of my CD's years ago and am digital only for music I also stopped purchasing DVD's. So that is a major positive for me.

My Xbox is always connected to the internet and I have never had my Uverse go down, so the Xbox having to be connected once every 24 hours is also a non issue for me.

I also enjoy using Kinnect voice commands that is another non issue.

Finally, the Xbox controller is hands down better than the PS4's, so that plus Kinnect is worth the extra $100 for me.

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I have 0 stock in MS, just enjoyed their system much more than the PS3 and it appears I will like the new XBOX the same if not more. I loved my PS2 back in the day, but Sony never wowed me with anything on PS3 and no exclusives interest me aside from Heavy Rain/Beyond. Uncharted 2 was the only ND game I really enjoyed, and God Of War got stale after part 1 a decade ago. MS won me over last gen with a far superior console and relegated my PS3 to a Bluray player. Now that the new Xbox plays BR and does everything I want and plays all the good games, I'm all set.

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:up:

I'm just razzin' ya.

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Plus I am STILL getting a PS4 eventually....why not get both and have the best of both worlds? ;)

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I don't understand putting up with the crap the MS is doing next generation just because of what they got right this generation. With the information I have in front of me, it's a no-brainer. And I, too, have a PS3 that is relegated to a BD player EXCEPT that I just rip all my BDs and stuff them into my digital library for streaming anyway, so it doesn't even do that any more. The only reason it's still on my entertainment center with its HDMI cable cannibalized for something else is for aesthetic symmetry while there's literally a tower of X360 game cases behind it.

That said, I'm going PS4 if anything from this lot.

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We understand EXACTLY what Microsoft is doing, and we're saying that it's horse shit.

MS implemented none of these changes to make things easier for the consumer. They will spin it that way, because the thing would be an even bigger failure if they said, "Listen, bitches, we got the games you want, but you have to play it our way." But that's really what they are doing.

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One of my PT employees works at GameStop.

Each GS had allotment of ten of the Day One consoles. Obviously, most were claimed by employees with customers getting the remaining few.

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Wow, things have changed since I worked system launches. Employees weren't allowed to pre-order on limited allotments.

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Very cool - Thanks

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You do know you can already play many many games without switching discs right? Both the 360 and PS3 offer the option, just download the game from them.

My Kinect has been unplugged for a year now, the Xbox controller is worlds better than the PS3 one.