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Old 09-14-13 | 09:49 AM
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Sadly, on the PS4 you have to push the PS button instead of clapping and grabbing, which is so current gen.
I will be extra happy if the suspend function requires me to do a quick move from Smooth Criminal.



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Old 09-14-13 | 09:54 AM
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I will be extra happy if the suspend function requires me to do a quick move from Smooth Criminal.



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Old 09-14-13 | 10:40 AM
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It sounds like Sony used the PS Vita as a testing ground for a lot of new tech for the PS4

And actually that's alright, you'd be hard pressed to find someone complain about the functionality of a Vita, it's the lack of games that's a shame.
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Old 09-14-13 | 11:19 AM
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Global lighting...watch interior and tires...spoiler for size.

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Old 09-14-13 | 12:07 PM
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what tires?

The shadows are awesome.
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Old 09-14-13 | 12:30 PM
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what tires?

The shadows are awesome.
I meant the shadows cast by the tires and under the car. It really grounds the car and gives it a kind of weight within its environment.

And that flash of light on the interior and the inside of the c-pillar is yummy.
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Old 09-14-13 | 12:36 PM
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Interesting article I stumbled across...could be relevant later:

Valve: OpenGL is faster than DirectX — even on Windows

If Sony and Valve end up as co-supporters of OpenGL with drivers automatically pushed on Steam, some interesting stuff could go down in the development world.
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Old 09-14-13 | 12:37 PM
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Nice to see that the "competition" between OpenGL and DirectX is still strong after all these years.
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Old 09-14-13 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by chess
Interesting article I stumbled across...could be relevant later:

Valve: OpenGL is faster than DirectX — even on Windows

If Sony and Valve end up as co-supporters of OpenGL with drivers automatically pushed on Steam, some interesting stuff could go down in the development world.
*sigh* This has literally nothing to do with consoles. DirectX and OpenGL are not and never will be console API's. Even the 360 didn't use DirectX, but something similar to it.
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Interesting. Somewhere I got the idea that Xbone used some version of Direct X and PS4 used a version of OpenGL. If that's incorrect, apologies.

Pretty sure I've seen it on this forum.
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Interesting. Somewhere I got the idea that Xbone used some version of Direct X and PS4 used a version of OpenGL. If that's incorrect, apologies.

Pretty sure I've seen it on this forum.
Wherever you saw it, it's incorrect. Pretty sure we've already been done this road.

They use completely custom API's that are much closer to the metal than either OpenGL or DirectX. It's needed in order to be as efficient as possible squeeze every bit of power out of the GPU's. Of course the downside is they can be a bit trickier to program for, but that's why Middleware companies are in business.
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Originally Posted by RichC2
It sounds like Sony used the PS Vita as a testing ground for a lot of new tech for the PS4

And actually that's alright, you'd be hard pressed to find someone complain about the functionality of a Vita, it's the lack of games that's a shame.
While it has less must-own games than the DS, at this point the Vita has a nice little library. Certainly better than the Wii U.
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Wherever you saw it, it's incorrect. Pretty sure we've already been done this road.

They use completely custom API's that are much closer to the metal than either OpenGL or DirectX. It's needed in order to be as efficient as possible squeeze every bit of power out of the GPU's. Of course the downside is they can be a bit trickier to program for, but that's why Middleware companies are in business.
Somebody needs to do a formal explanation of this.

When you see announcements like: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/.../directx-11-2/ it just makes things confusing.
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Old 09-14-13 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by RichC2
Somebody needs to do a formal explanation of this.

When you see announcements like: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/.../directx-11-2/ it just makes things confusing.
To be fair, back in June they did basically have DirectX implemented on the Xbox One, but then they threw it out. It still wasn't exactly DX, but close enough. Hardware wise the GPU does support the DX 11.2 feature set, but so does the PS4 hardware.
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API's that are much closer to the metal
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Sarcasm understood, but I do think they grossly overestimated how attached people were/are to Live...and even moreso Kinect.
Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
They were cocky and thought the sheep would follow the shepherd off the cliff into digital utopia.
I think they thought Sony was planning to do the same thing. All the industry speculation said so. Sony had applied for a patent on locking discs to user IDs. Microsoft and Sony would present a united front, and they didn't see Wii U as a major threat.
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I think they thought Sony was planning to do the same thing. All the industry speculation said so. Sony had applied for a patent on locking discs to user IDs. Microsoft and Sony would present a united front, and they didn't see Wii U as a major threat.
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Also how some Xbox fans felt after the One reveal.
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Also how some Xbox fans felt after the One reveal.
Isn't it ironic?

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Don't ya think?
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Old 09-15-13 | 01:49 AM
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Weekend Confirmed had some controller talk this week. Around the 1:05 mark.

G= Garnett Lee | J = Jeff Canatta
A= Andrew Yoon | O= Ozzy Mejia


Xbox:
  • A= likes x1 controller, likes the rumble triggers
  • J= x1 controller is a step back from the 360 pad but rumble triggers are cool
  • A & J = preferred 360 pad to PS3
  • J = hates the bumper buttons, uncomfortable to reach now, feel misplaced
  • G= still prefers the offset analogs for shooters

PS4:
  • A & J= Loves PS4 controller, prefers it to x1
  • J= PS4 controller is awesome
  • A= loves the sticks
  • J= loves the triggers
  • G= loves the ergonomics
  • J= thinks the PS4 controller has negated the offset analog issues with all the improvements
  • All= loved the look, even the light bar, controller looks hi-tech
  • A= not sold on the touchpad, skeptical but likes it as a big button

Kinect:
  • A = Kinect voice commands were erratic and even wanted to shut off the system, commands kept popping up on screen
  • A = Kinect 2.0 did not seem any better than Kinect 1. Left a sour taste.
  • O= Kinect game he demo'd had him worried more about Kinect than the game's quality
  • O= Kinect 2.0 seems like it's going to be more of the same promises about revolutionizing gaming but end up being the same crap we got with Kinect 1.0

Reading this in text is one thing but it sounded like they were far more excited about the PS4 controller and loved it, while the x1 could use some tweaks. And Kinect still sounds like a joke.
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I didn't realize that a redo of Binding of Isaac was coming to the PS4. That's going to be amazing.
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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
PS4:
  • A & J= Loves PS4 controller, prefers it to x1
  • J= PS4 controller is awesome
  • A= loves the sticks
  • J= loves the triggers
  • G= loves the ergonomics
  • J= thinks the PS4 controller has negated the offset analog issues with all the improvements
  • All= loved the look, even the light bar, controller looks hi-tech
  • A= not sold on the touchpad, skeptical but likes it as a big button
With the good reports, here and elsewhere, I'm optimistic. The new controller certainly looks much improved over the PS3 controller. I still think the left stick should be in the primary place. I can't remember the last game where my thumb spent a lot of time on the d-pad.

I, also, am skeptical of the touchpad. I hope there won't be a lot of games forcing me to shift my grip.

Reading this in text is one thing but it sounded like they were far more excited about the PS4 controller and loved it, while the x1 could use some tweaks. And Kinect still sounds like a joke.
I hope they're right about the DualShock 4, and wrong about everything else.
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There was nothing wrong with the DS3. Some people that played both consoles liked the Xbox 360 controller better and wished the DS3 was more like it. That's it.

I wasn't one of them.
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There was nothing wrong with the DS3. Some people that played both consoles liked the Xbox 360 controller better and wished the DS3 was more like it. That's it.

I wasn't one of them.
For my hands, there are several things wrong with the DS3.

The stubby little grips. The way they taper. My fingers tend to slide right off.

The stick placement is awkward. Moving them down and out is very close to full extension for my thumbs. Since my left thumb is almost always on the stick, it is uncomfortable.

If your new chair kills your back, then there's something wrong with it. Doesn't matter if it's the most comfortable chair I've ever sat in.
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