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Krayzie 05-06-13 08:49 AM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 11677690)
Eternal Darkness 2, the single best news since the WiiU launched :banana:
Eternal Darkness 2 without Silicon Knights and Dennis Dyack :sad:
Silicon Knights last 2 releases weren't that great so that might not be a bad thing.

Groucho 05-06-13 08:58 AM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Based on everything I've read, Dennis Dyack is a problem and not a solution.

Michael Corvin 05-06-13 10:42 AM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by Krayzie (Post 11679672)
Silicon Knights last 2 releases weren't that great so that might not be a bad thing.
Maybe, but ED was his baby AFAIK. He had mentioned in interviews in recent years that he wanted to do a sequel.

This sounds eerily similar to Crackdown, where the original devs wanted to do a sequel but it was handed down to a different team. That turned out swimmingly of course.

fumanstan 05-08-13 08:15 AM
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http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/07/wi...ising-results/

EA DICE technical director Johan Andersson revealed that the developer's Frostbite 3 engine, which powers Battlefield 4 and the next entries in the Dragon Age and Mass Effect franchises, does not run on Nintendo's Wii U.

Responding to fan questions on Twitter, Andersson explained that DICE's Wii U experiments with Frostbite 2 had "not too promising" results, leading to the company abandoning efforts to get Frostbite 3 up and running on Nintendo's latest console.

During the Game Developers Conference in March, Epic Games' Mark Rein noted that Unreal Engine 4 does not currently run on the Wii U. Rein later clarified, explaining that licensed developers could potentially port Unreal Engine 4-powered games to the Wii U, at their discretion.

SoonerDoc 05-08-13 08:25 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Wow. Doesn't sound too promising for WiiU 12-18 months from now.

Good look Nintendo. My WiiU has been a Mario Chase player since Christmas. Nobody in my house has touched anything else. And that isn't played for more than 30 minutes at a time.

They have totally screwed the pooch on this.

pinata242 05-08-13 10:05 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Nintendo would do well to seriously consider their "Wii"/3DS ecosystem. Make VC perfect, portable, online, accessible, and available. Then they need to double down on the Wii U's successor and get it out by 2015 and have every.single.purchase migrate seamlessly and follow the user from now on.

fumanstan 05-08-13 10:15 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by LosingMyMind (Post 11683471)
It's all bullshit. EA and Nintendo had a falling out because of origin. Good for Nintendo for sticking to their guns. The only disappointing thing would be if no Star Wars games came out. Even then, I could care less about EA.

This was reported last August.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/commen...roundbreaking/
Could be, be given how "greedy" people call EA, I'd figure they would go where the money is and wouldn't let something like a company declining to use Origin stop them. Whether it is bullshit or not, it still means a big chunk of popular games not coming to the Wii U, and current sales probably make it easier for EA to not care. If you're a fan of the Wii U and Nintendo, even if you say you could(n't) care less about EA, that's bad.

Gizmo 05-08-13 10:26 PM
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No EA games for me. I dont play the other systems.

fumanstan 05-08-13 10:52 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by LosingMyMind (Post 11683928)
Oh it's bad for them, just not bad for me. If the origin thing is true though, I think they made the right decision.

I'm expecting the next couple of Nintendo directs leading up to E3 to drop some bombs, so I'm not worried yet.
Agreed, Nintendo made the right move. I just don't necessarily think EA be petty enough to drop everything simply because Nintendo wouldn't agree to something that EA isn't exactly getting elsewhere either.

Rob V 05-09-13 09:24 AM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD (Post 11683934)
No EA games for me. I dont play the other systems.
We know... and why would you limit yourself to a system that seems to be failing?

Gizmo 05-09-13 10:04 AM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by Rob V (Post 11684417)
We know... and why would you limit yourself to a system that seems to be failing?
Apparently so.

Of course, neither the PS4 or 360 have been seen or prices announced, but they will be HUUUUUUUUGE! :rolleyes:

I'm very much looking forward to sales of both being just as bad as the Wii U and watching everyone finding ways to still claim they did good. Of course, by that time the Wii U will hit with Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart etc. while everyone else is enjoying ports (like most console launches). So many people blind to the idea that people are moving on from console gaming to Tablets and other mediums. Wii U didn't "sell well" for a reason.

But oh no, not EA. Sport titles have always sold poorly on Nintendo hardware (didn't they abandon the GameCube at some point?). Not having EA may seem like a bad thing, but I don't play their games. I'm sure it will affect some peoples decisions, but meh. I knew what I was getting into when I bought a Wii U and if it has similar titles like the GameCube, I'll be just fine. I don't need to play generic FPS shooter 3000.

Gizmo 05-09-13 10:05 AM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by fumanstan (Post 11683976)
Agreed, Nintendo made the right move. I just don't necessarily think EA be petty enough to drop everything simply because Nintendo wouldn't agree to something that EA isn't exactly getting elsewhere either.
Can someone explain to me what "Orgins" is in a nutshell? Isn it EA's required Online system?

wlj 05-09-13 10:36 AM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by LosingMyMind (Post 11683471)
It's all bullshit. EA and Nintendo had a falling out because of origin. Good for Nintendo for sticking to their guns. The only disappointing thing would be if no Star Wars games came out. Even then, I could care less about EA.

This was reported last August.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/commen...roundbreaking/

This "sticking to their guns" will put their console in the crapper. Whether people like EA or not -- a console is going to have a hell of a struggle to survive without their games. Madden especially. This is what put the Dreamcast in the coffin.

Gizmo 05-09-13 10:45 AM
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Not really. Sports games, while selling well, sell to a certain audience. A good chunk buy just those games every year and dabble in very few other genres. While not having Madden will hurt Nintendo a bit, Sony not have Mario will hurt them more etc.

Sports games have never been a big seller for Nintendo unless Mario is in the mix.

Michael Corvin 05-09-13 11:19 AM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by wlj (Post 11684515)
Whether people like EA or not -- a console is going to have a hell of a struggle to survive without their games. Madden especially. This is what put the Dreamcast in the coffin.
Exactly. Sounds like it was a terrible deal but to praise Nintendo for kicking EA to the curb is naive.

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD (Post 11684483)
But oh no, not EA. Sport titles have always sold poorly on Nintendo hardware
This may come as a surprise but they put out more than just Madden & Fifa. Crysis, Mass Effect, Need For Speed, Burnout, Battlefield, Dead Space, Dragon Age, Portal, Orange Box, Rock Band, Left 4 Dead, etc.

That's a lot of million+ selling franchises to just praise Nintendo for pushing aside.

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD (Post 11684483)
Of course, neither the PS4 or 360 have been seen or prices announced, but they will be HUUUUUUUUGE! :rolleyes:

I'm very much looking forward to sales of both being just as bad as the Wii U and watching everyone finding ways to still claim they did good. Of course, by that time the Wii U will hit with Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart etc. while everyone else is enjoying ports (like most console launches).
Mocking others for being excited for unreleased systems/games then to go on to praise Nintendo for their unreleased games is the epitome of hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD (Post 11684483)
So many people blind to the idea that people are moving on from console gaming to Tablets and other mediums. Wii U didn't "sell well" for a reason.
That will be Nintendo's excuse since their existence is based on casual gaming which has moved on to the tablet space. The core gamers are early adopters and will support the new beefy systems as long as companies keep putting them out.

Originally Posted by Rob V (Post 11684417)
We know... and why would you limit yourself to a system that seems to be failing?
Then he wouldn't be able to shit on the other two companies. It's pretty much his sole reason for existence in the VG forum. It's his schtick, if you will, and isn't new.

Gizmo 05-09-13 11:42 AM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Funny, since most label me as a MS fanboy (even though the 360 is the only MS product in my house).

Michael, how's your Wii U?

Gizmo 05-09-13 11:48 AM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 11684567)

This may come as a surprise but they put out more than just Madden & Fifa. Crysis, Mass Effect, Need For Speed, Burnout, Battlefield, Dead Space, Dragon Age, Portal, Orange Box, Rock Band, Left 4 Dead, etc.

That's a lot of million+ selling franchises to just praise.
Nintendo was #1 last generation without those titles....

Of course, some of those you mentioned are console exclusive anyway or no longer running (Rock Band).

Drexl 05-09-13 11:54 AM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD (Post 11684483)
But oh no, not EA. Sport titles have always sold poorly on Nintendo hardware (didn't they abandon the GameCube at some point?). Not having EA may seem like a bad thing, but I don't play their games. I'm sure it will affect some peoples decisions, but meh. I knew what I was getting into when I bought a Wii U and if it has similar titles like the GameCube, I'll be just fine. I don't need to play generic FPS shooter 3000.
This is key, right here. Anyone who bought a Wii U should have seen this was possible, even probable.

Gizmo 05-09-13 11:58 AM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by Drexl (Post 11684629)
This is key, right here. Anyone who bought a Wii U should have seen this was possible, even probable.
I went into it assuming that was the case. Most Nintendo people should have figured that out by now. If the Wii U can pump out enough classic titles like the GameCube had Ill be very happy.

Plus, the VC stuff is just icing.

Krayzie 05-09-13 12:11 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by wlj (Post 11684515)
This "sticking to their guns" will put their console in the crapper. Whether people like EA or not -- a console is going to have a hell of a struggle to survive without their games. Madden especially. This is what put the Dreamcast in the coffin.
I thought piracy helped kill the Dreamcast. Any idiot who could burn a cd could pirate games for the dreamcast. Also NFL2K and NBA 2K were much better than Madden and NBA Live!

Without EA, Nintendo doesn't get any Star Wars games. No more hoping for a new rogue squadron game on a nintendo console.

Michael Corvin 05-09-13 12:40 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD (Post 11684607)

Michael, how's your Wii U?
Gave Rayman challenges a spin last week, why do you ask? But yeah, on the whole not seeing a lot of action with Tomb Raider & Bioshock eating up March and April.

I also knew what I was getting into. My only complaint I've maintained thus far has been Pikmin and Rayman continually getting pushed.

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD (Post 11684614)
Nintendo was #1 last generation without those titles....
Right, on the backs of soccer moms. I stated as much. To appeal to a wide swath of people they need those games.

pinata242 05-09-13 01:03 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
#1 console is one stat. Attach rate is another stat. Which one do you thing 3rd parties care more about?

fumanstan 05-09-13 02:02 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD (Post 11684484)
Can someone explain to me what "Orgins" is in a nutshell? Isn it EA's required Online system?
Origin is EA's digital distribution system on PC, their version of Steam. So it encompasses an online store to sell their games, a chat client and friends lists to see what games your friends are playing, etc.

That's why I think its weird that EA would bail on everything Nintendo just because they turned down integrating it into their own online system, since it's only on PC right now, nobody seems to like it, and it's not like the competitors are using it.

Originally Posted by Drexl (Post 11684629)
This is key, right here. Anyone who bought a Wii U should have seen this was possible, even probable.
Probable, but does go against what Nintendo was promising at launch that 3rd parties would love the console and we would see plenty of big games be on the Wii U as they would anything from Microsoft and Sony. I think that's the shock for me, that we're only a few months in and it seems like publishers and studios are bailing on it arleady.

RichC2 05-09-13 02:18 PM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
Origin has a very long way to go before it's even close to Steam.

Rob V 05-10-13 11:58 AM
re: The Wii U: From "cool" Sony to evil Nintendo
 
So despite the fact that the Wii U isn't quite a household console yet, I'm strongly leaning towards getting one since Gamestop did the "trade in your Wii for $50 credit towards a Wii U". I have $250 of store credit and my Wii is literally a paperweight. I cannot remember the last time it was turned on.

So that said, what other amenities do I need for this thing? Will my old Wii controllers work or do I need to stock up on all new ones? Any other accessories that are must have?


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