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JasonF 08-26-07 09:54 PM
Originally Posted by JM
Pretty sure that part actually says, "It belongs to everyone."
Yeah, I think you're right.

slop101 08-26-07 10:08 PM
Originally Posted by The Bus
I'm playing on Medium but I had no problem with the Big Daddy at all. I assume they get harder to beat later on.
Actually, they get easier and easier, because you get more and more powerful, and they pretty much stay the same.

JasonF 08-27-07 12:31 AM
In case anyone is in the same boat as me -- trying to track down the last few audio diaries -- here's a list of what and where they are. Stolen mostly from here and a little bit from here.
Spoiler:
Welcome To Rapture -- Medical Pavilion (19 Total)
*1. New Year's Eve Alone (Diane McClintock) - Kashmir Bottom Floor, on table.

*2. Hole in the Bathroom Wall (Steve Barker) - Kashmir Restaraunt, in "Dames" Restroom.

3. Released Today (Diane McClintock) - Medical Pavilion Foyer, on the reception desk.

4. Adam's Changes (Steinman) - Emergency Access, on the desk.

5. Higher Standards (Steinman) - Medical Pavilion Foyer, on the wall near the entrance

6. Parasite Expectations (Andrew Ryan) - Medical Pavilion Foyer, on the reception desk near surgery.

7. Limits of Imagination (Steinman) - Medical Pavilion Foyer, on the wall near hall towards Eternal Flame.

8. Love for Science (Tenenbaum) - Medical Pavilion Foyer, in lobby near Health Station

9. Vandalism (Andrew Ryan) - Medical Pavilion Foyer, near vending machines.

10. Freezing Pipes (McDonagh) - Medical Pavilion Foyer, near base of stairs.

11. Surgery's Picasso (Steinman) - Eternal Flame, in the entrance room near the memorial.

12. Enrage Trial (Suchong) - Kure All, on the floor in the corner of the main room.

13. Plasmids are the Paint (Suchong) - Painless Dental, on the desk in the corner near the stuffed bear.

14. Useless Experiments (Tenenbaum) - Dandy Dental, on the floor near the entrance to the offices.

15. Testing Telekinesis (Suchong) - Dandy Dental, on the floor near the Gatherer's Garden vending machine.

16. Symmetry (Steinman) - Surgery Foyer, on the wall beyond the pile of debris.

17. Aphrodite Waking (Steinman) - Surgery, on a desk in the operating room to the north.

18. Not What She Wanted (Steinman) - Surgery, search the corpse that Dr. Steinman was operating on.

19. Gatherer's Vulnerability (Steinman) - Lounge, on ground near Gatherer's Garden vending machine.

Neptune's Bounty -- Smuggler's Hideout (22 Total)

20. Bathysphere Keys (Sullivan) - Lower Wharf, under the boardwalk on the south end of the wharf.

21. Timmy H. Interrogation (Sullivan) - Lower Wharf, in the interrogation room in the water.

22. Fontaine Must Go (Andrew Ryan) - Lower Wharf, crawl under the metal grating near the pipes.

23. Finding the Sea Slug (Tenenbaum) - Upper Wharf, on the table across from the stairwell entrance.

24. Masha Come Home (Mariska Lutz) - Upper Wharf, on the floor in the corner where Little Sister was.

25. Picked up Timmy H. (Sullivan) - Upper Wharf, search the corpse in the corner near Little Sister.

26. Watch Fontaine (Andrew Ryan) - Upper Wharf, next to Circus of Values machine.

27. Have My Badge (Sullivan) - Wharf's Master Office, on the desk in the office.

28. Adam Discovery (Tenenbaum) - Upper Wharf, in a crate below the ledge in the Wharfmaster's office.

29. Eden Leaking (McDonagh) - Upper Wharf, in hallway on way to Jet Postal.

30. Fontaine's Smugglers (Tenenbaum) - Jet Postal, on the bench in the glass tube.

31. Death Penalty in Rapture (Andrew Ryan) - Jet Postal, on the desk near the vending machine.

32. Smuggling Ring (Sullivan) - Fighting McDonagh, on the bar of table near the center of the room.

33. Working Late Again (Andrew Ryan) - Fighting McDonagh, on a bar table near the windows.

34. Rapture Changing (McDonagh) - Fighting McDonagh, on the desk in the large office in the basement.

35. Meeting Ryan (McDonagh) - Fighting McDonagh, crawl through the water-filled ventiliation back towards the Gene Bank and entrance.

36. Arresting Fontaine (McDonagh) - Fighting McDonagh, in room #6 upstairs.

37. Saw Masha Today (Mariska Lutz) - Fighting McDonagh, in room #7 upstairs.

38. Putting the Screws On (Peach Wilkins) - Freezer Bottom Floor, in the freezer next to the safe.

39. Meeting with Fontaine (Peach Wilkins) - Storage Cave, on the ground near the numerous crates.

40. Kraut Scientist (Frank Fontaine) - Control Room, in the locked storage cave on the lower floor.

41. Offered a Deal (Peach Wilkins) - Submarine Bay, on the dock leading towards Arcadia.

Arcadia -- Farmer's Market (25 Total)

42. Seeing Ghosts (McDonagh) - Tea Garden, on the ground off to the left.

43. Mass Producing Adam (Tenenbaum) - Tea Garden, on the ground near the chairs.

44. Big Night Out (Dieter Sonnekalb) - Tea Garden, on the ground near the park bench and ghosts.

45. Arcadia Closed (Langford) - Tea Garden, up the stairs on the desk near the Gene Bank.

46. The Market is Patient (Andrew Ryan) - Waterfall Grottos, on the park bench near the U-Invent machine of the upper level.

47. Early Tests Promising (Langford) - Waterfall Grottos, near the water wheel in the lower level.

48. Offer a Better Product (Andrew Ryan) - Waterfall Grottos, on the lower level near the water wheel.

49. Heroes and Criminals (Diane McClintock) - Waterfall Grottos, in the locked machinery room atop the stairs.

50. Shouldn't Have Come (Mariska Lutz) - Lower Rolling Hills, on the bench near the stairs.

51. The Saturnine (Langford) - Lower Rolling Hills, in the cave behind the waterfall.

52. Arcadia and Oxygen (Langford) - Tree Farm, near the crate on the landing entrance.

53. What Won't They Steal (Langford) - Research Laboratories, just inside the entance.

54. Teaching an Old Hound (Langford) - Research Laboratories, on the table inside the 2nd room.

55. Lazarus Vector (Langford) - Langford's Office, search Julie Langford's body.

56. Lazarus Vector Formula (Langford) - Langford's Office, inside the wall safe in Julie's lab.

57. Maternal Instinct (Tenenbaum) - Tree Farm, on the steps heading to Farmer's Market.

58. Bee Enzyme (Tasha Denu) - Farmer's Market Entrance, on the ground near the pneumo tube.

59. First Encounter (Andrew Ryan) - Farmer's Market, near the Bouncer corpse in the lower storage room.

60. Hatred (Tenenbaum) - Farmer's Market, on a desk in the lower storage room.

61. Desperate Times (Andrew Ryan) - Farmer's Market, in the crawlspace that links to the freezer.

62. Pulling Together (Andrew Ryan) - Farmer's Market, on the counter of the meat market.

63. Water in Wine (Pierre Gobbi) - Farmer's Market, upstairs near large winery sign.

64. Adam Explained (Tenenbaum) - Silverwing Apiary, on the counter near the entrance.

65. Functional Children (Tenenbaum) - Winery, on a table in the rear of the room.

66. The Great Chain (Andrew Ryan) - Arcadia Metro Station, on the bench to the right of the entrance.

Fort Frolic (15 Total)

67. Musical Insult (Sander Cohen) - Fleet Hall Theatre, upstairs storage room near the guitar.

68. The Doubters (Sander Cohen) - Cohen's Collection, on the table downstairs.

69. Come to the Record Store (Cobb) - Southern Mall, outside the restroom, on the table near the alcohol.

70. The Wild Bunny (Sander Cohen) - Sophia Salon, in the closet around the back of the counter.

71. Artist's Feud (Sullivan) - Cocktail Lounge, on the bar above the safe.

72. Fancy Cigarettes (Albert Milonakis) - Le Marquis D'Epogue, in the downstairs humidor near the corpse.

73. The Iceman Cometh (Martin Finnegan) - Frozen Tunnel, in the entrance corridor on the left-hand side.

74. Stood Up Again (Diane McCormick) - Upper Atrium, at the top of the stairs near the entrance to Fleet Hall.

75. Guns Blazing (McDonagh) - Robertson's Tobaccoria, on the table just inside the main door.

76. Pregnancy (Jasmine Jolene) - Eve's Garden, under the bed in the room behind the stage.

77. It's All Grift (Hector Rodriguez) - Eve's Garden, on the bar.

78. Fontaine's Army (McDonagh) - Sir-Prize, in a crate on the floor to the left of the stairs.

79. Bump Culpepper? (Sullivan) - Pharoah's Fortune, on a pool table upstairs.

80. Ryan's Stabbleboy (Anna Culpepper) - Rapture Records, behind the counter inside the entrance.

81. Requiem for Andrew Ryan (Sander Cohen) - Projection Booth, on the table in the office.

Hephaestus -- Rapture Central Control (20 Total)

82. Ryan Takes F Futuristics (McDonagh) - Hepheastus Bathyspher Station, in a crate near the Circus of Values machine.

83. Scoping the Gate (Kyburz) - Outside Ryan's Office, near the Circus of Values machine.

84. Stopping Ryan (McDonagh) - Ryan's Office, search the first corpse on the right-hand side.

85. Going to Heat Loss (Anya Andersdotter) - Outside Ryan's office, search the fourth corpse on the right-hand side.

86. A Man or a Parasite (Andrew Ryan) - - Hepheastus Core, on the desk outside the room with the bunks.

87. Fontaine's Legacy (McDonagh) - Hepheastus Core, on the edge of the walkway, near the Vita-Chamber.

88. Assassin (Anya Andersdotter) - Hepheastus Core, near the Gatherer's Garden.

89. Kyburz Door Code (Pablo Navarro) - Heat Loss Monitoring, on the floor in the corner.

90. Genetic Arms Race (McDonagh) - Lower Heat Loss Monitoring, on the desk in the flooded area.

91. Getting a Break (Pablo Navarro) - Lower Heat Loss Monitoring, on the desk near the tonic.

92. Impossible Anywhere Else (Andrew Ryan) - Hepheastus Core, at the very bottom walkway, on the desk.

93. Running Short on R-34s (Pablo Navarro) - Hepheastus Core, on the desk outside the entrance to the Workshops.

94. Device Almost Finished (Kyburz) - Lower Workshops, on the desk in the office at the bottom of the stairs.

95. Great Chain Moves Slowly (Andrew Ryan) - Kyburz's Office, on the desk in the back of the room.

96. The Dream (Kyburz) - Lower Workshops, search the corpse lying in the center of the floor.

97. Assembling the Bomb (Kyburz) - Lower Workshops, on the desk in the secret crawlspace office.

98. Market Maintenance Code (Pablo Navarro) - Lower Workshops, in the crawlspace that leads under the stairs.

*99. The Vita Chamber (Suchong) - Control Room, on the desk to the left of the entrance.

*100. Mind Control Test (Suchong) - Control Room, on the table beneath the clippings and photos.

*101. Baby Stratus (Suchong) - Control Room, on the table beneath the clippings and photos.

Olympus Heights -- Apollo Square (12 Total)

102. Mozart of Genetics (Suchong) - Olympus Heights, in the Bistro Square snack bar.

103. Artist Woman (Sullivan) - Culpepper's Apartment, on the corner table just inside the main room.

104. Fontaine's Human Jukebox (Suchong) - Suchong's Apartment, on the floor in the southernmost room.

105. Mind Control Antidote (Suchong) - Suchong's Apartment, on his desk next to the tonic

106. Fontaine's Breakup (Paparrazi) - Mercury Suites, on the upper walkway near the U-Invent machine.

107. Sad Saps (Frank Fontaine) - Fontaine's Apartment, on the coffee table near his collection of cigars.

108. What's Happening Here? (Diane McClintock) - Apollo Square, on the ground near the Circus of Values machine.

109. Atlas Lives (Diane McClintock) - Apollo Square, near the Gatherer's Garden machine.

110. Protection Board (Suchong) - Artemis Suites, on the floor of Suchong's office in the clinic.

111. Meeting Atlas (Diane McClintock) - Hestia Chambers, just inside the entrance on the right.

112. The Longest Con (Frank Fontaine) - Atlas' Headquarters, right on the desk next to the tonic.

113. Today's Raid (Diane McCormick) - Atlas' Headquarters, search the corpse near the safe in the corner.

Point Prometheus -- Proving Grounds (9 Total)

114. Changing Employers (Suchong) - Main Hall, melt the ice to enter the closet upstairs and search the trash can.

115. Why Just Girls? (Tenenbaum) - Atrium Balcony, on the desk in the second floor of the orphanage.

116. Extra Munitions (Suchong) - Plasmid Prototyping, on the ground next to the RPG Turret.

117. Marketing Gold (Andrew Ryan) - Test Subject Storage, on a machine on the right-hand side of the room near the cascading water.

118. Missing Boots (Suchong) - Candidate Conversion area, on a desk in the rear of the room.

119. Protector Smell (Suchong) - Suit Assembly, on the machinery in the second floor southwest room.

120. Protecting Little Ones (Suchong) - Suit Assembly, on a desk in the southeast room upstairs.

121. Mistakes (Andrew Ryan) - Suit Assembly, near the Gene Bank machine.

122. Cheap Son of a Bitch (Suchong) - Storage, on a desk in the small storage area of Suit Assembly.

The five messages marked with a * are in areas you can't return to once you leave them, so be sure to pick those up the first time!

Note that the game seems to think message # 59 -- First Encounter (Andrew Ryan) -- is in the Neptune's Bounty/Smuggler's Hideout area even though you actually find it in the Farmer's Market.

movieking 08-27-07 06:38 AM
Originally Posted by JasonF
On the other hand, I found movieking's post about needing to get 50 hacks incomprehensible. I hack everything. I think I had 50 hacks before I left the Medical Pavillion.
I find those minigames tedious. I just wish that there was more variety, instead of having to play the same game over and over and over again.

Rob V 08-27-07 09:05 AM
I just got to the part where a Big Daddy was already blown up and I had to choose to harvest or save the Little Sister. I opted to save her... anyways, Im assuming that it's still pretty early in the game and I have not had the chance to get more slots for plasmids, right?

DRG 08-27-07 10:45 AM
Originally Posted by slop101
I, however, use telekinesis ALL the time. Once, I even killed a guy with his own fucking HAT. That's right - I just grabbed at something, telekinetically, and I happened to grab this splicer's hat - and just like Oddjob from Goldfinger, I tossed it back in his face, killing him!
I killed someone with her own mask. I love telekinesis, I probably use it 95% of the time. I use it to grab stuff from afar, to hurl big objects at splicers for the one shot kill (great from a distance if you can get the aim right), and even to carry objects. For instance, I went and collected all the exploding barrels from the surrounding area by moving them all to one spot via telekinesis. Then I just chucked them one by one at the Big Daddy. I also use it when I find a first aid kit or EVE hypo in a remote area, but I'm completely full. I just carry it until I need to use it or until it's no longer practical.

I actually think a lot of the plasmids are rather useless... The cyclone trap is amusing but more of a pain than its worth. Enrage ends up getting me in more trouble than helping me out... I enraged a splicer to attack a Big Daddy, thinking I was stealthily wearing the BD down before I sprung my true attack. Once the splicer was dispatched the BD must've known I had sent the splicer and came after me! Same with Insect Swarm...

Target dummy I didn't appreciate at first. I always was trying to use it as a panic move when a BD was bearing down on me, which never worked. It hadn't occurred to me to use it do distract turrets and security cameras until later in the game.

JasonF 08-27-07 10:53 AM
Originally Posted by Rob V
I just got to the part where a Big Daddy was already blown up and I had to choose to harvest or save the Little Sister. I opted to save her... anyways, Im assuming that it's still pretty early in the game and I have not had the chance to get more slots for plasmids, right?
Correct. You'll know when you have the chance to get more slots -- it's not something you can miss.

FantasticVSDoom 08-27-07 11:55 AM
Another big fan of telekinesis... In fact between that and the electroshock one, those are the only 2 I use really.

JasonF 08-27-07 12:09 PM
I won the game last night on normal and promptly started a new one on hard. With so many people swearing by telekinesis, I'll have to give it a try this run-through.

uteotw 08-27-07 12:31 PM
This game is probably the best I've seen for the 360 thus far. The sound, the graphics, the exploring, the weapons, the storyline--all truly excellent. I use primarily telekenisis and incinerate, but like electroshock too. GREAT game overall...

DRG 08-27-07 12:33 PM
A question I have about the endings...
Spoiler:
About the 'good' ending and the 'evil' ending... If I harvested the sisters up until killing Ryan, and have been rescuing them since, which ending will I get?

MasterofDVD 08-27-07 12:35 PM
As mush as enjoyed the game I found most of the plasmids useless. I used Swarm, Target Dummy and Cyclone once each probably. Enrage also caused me more problems than I can count. Hypnotizing the Big Daddy was fun but I only did that a couple times. Telekinesis, Electrobolt and Incinerate were the ones I used the most.

BravesMG 08-27-07 12:37 PM
So I'm at the "go collect anything you need to" point at the game and I'm dying with these stupid diaries. Is there any way of knowing how many you have or which ones you need in the game? I've gone back to every level and there are no rooms I haven't investigated, so I've obviously just missed some (not surprising). I'm also shocked I haven't invented 100 items. Does anyone know if you have to actually use the invented items? I'm maxed out on almost all of my ammo and I'm just inventing stuff to get the achievement, I hope I'm not wasting time but I would have bet I had way more than 100 invented by now.

JasonF 08-27-07 12:40 PM
Originally Posted by DRG
A question I have about the endings...
Spoiler:
About the 'good' ending and the 'evil' ending... If I harvested the sisters up until killing Ryan, and have been rescuing them since, which ending will I get?
From what I understand:
Spoiler:
if you harvest even one Little Sister, you will get the bad ending.


Both endings have been posted to YouTube, so if you want to see them without playing through a second time, you can.

JasonF 08-27-07 12:51 PM
Originally Posted by bravesmg
So I'm at the "go collect anything you need to" point at the game and I'm dying with these stupid diaries. Is there any way of knowing how many you have or which ones you need in the game? I've gone back to every level and there are no rooms I haven't investigated, so I've obviously just missed some (not surprising). I'm also shocked I haven't invented 100 items. Does anyone know if you have to actually use the invented items? I'm maxed out on almost all of my ammo and I'm just inventing stuff to get the achievement, I hope I'm not wasting time but I would have bet I had way more than 100 invented by now.
With respect to the diaries, see post #253 for a list of them and where to find them. You can access your diaries via one of the tabs on the status screen. The diaries are organized by area, but unfortunately there's no way to tell whether you've missed one for a particular area except manually comparing it to a comprehensive list.

With respect to inventing things, you just have to invent. No need to even have room for it in your inventory. I think I got more than half my inventions when I was ready for the end of the game -- I just went up to a U-Invent and started cranking out crap I didn't need until I got the achievement.

Canis Firebrand 08-27-07 01:13 PM
Originally Posted by MasterofDVD
As mush as enjoyed the game I found most of the plasmids useless. I used Swarm, Target Dummy and Cyclone once each probably. Enrage also caused me more problems than I can count. Hypnotizing the Big Daddy was fun but I only did that a couple times. Telekinesis, Electrobolt and Incinerate were the ones I used the most.

Swarm is really nice at level 3 against 1 splicer. You can send the swarm out, and they will ignore you while swatting at the bees. You then see their health drop pretty quickly until they either die, or a single shot or wrench hit by you delivers the killing blow.

I use it, incinerate 3 and elctobolt 3 most. Telekinesis for things I can't reach or against missle turrets to throw them back or against a big daddy that is firing out mines.

DRG 08-27-07 02:24 PM
Originally Posted by JasonF
Both endings have been posted to YouTube, so if you want to see them without playing through a second time, you can.
Thanks for the info. I'll have to play through a second time to get the other achievement anyway... in addition to the others I screwed up because I went in largely spoiler-free. Like it never occurred to me to
Spoiler:
not attack Cohen at Fort Frolic. I just figured I was better off lobbing something at him from afar than approaching him because I assumed he would just attack me when I got close.

The Bus 08-27-07 04:55 PM
Originally Posted by slop101
Actually, they get easier and easier, because you get more and more powerful, and they pretty much stay the same.
Well I must've gotten super lucky because I've had a pretty hard time with the other Daddies. The original was one of the bigger ones and the news ones are all like Rosie the Riveter: smaller and a bit more nimble. The electroshock shotgun pellets are great.

With so much talk about ammo being limited, I've barely used ammo. I get like 80% of my kills through melee. I don't even bother with the shock anymore because it takes the game like 5 seconds to cycle through magic and go to melee. The magic reloading time is also pretty terrible. It makes it not fun.

I like the game so far but I'm not super impressed and I can only hope I can sell it for $40-$50 in a week or so when I beat it.

Michael Corvin 08-27-07 05:01 PM
Originally Posted by The Bus
it takes the game like 5 seconds to cycle through magic and go to melee. The magic reloading time is also pretty terrible. It makes it not fun.
:hscratch: Hold the left and right bumpers and use the analog to select your plasmids & weapons. You can set your weapon before a fight, say, Electro Buck Shotgun, then swap to Electro Shock plasmid. Start fight. Not sure where your 5 seconds are going.

The Bus 08-27-07 05:20 PM
That's just what it seems like. I know it's more "realistic" but it makes it kind of annoying.

HotThang 08-27-07 05:26 PM
Originally Posted by JasonF
From what I understand:
Spoiler:
if you harvest even one Little Sister, you will get the bad ending.


Both endings have been posted to YouTube, so if you want to see them without playing through a second time, you can.

I've been saving them up to now. So...I can save my game before I help the last one, finish the game, get the good ending, then load my save game, harvest her this time, and get the bad ending (and I am sure some achievement). COol!

Sam

The Bus 08-27-07 05:35 PM
Originally Posted by movieking
I find those minigames tedious. I just wish that there was more variety, instead of having to play the same game over and over and over again.
You'd think if they're going to mine 90's titles like Pipe Dream and Pokemon Snap for ideas, they could've added some variety. Why can't we hack using an interface like Jezzball or Chip's Challenge?

JasonF 08-27-07 05:54 PM
Originally Posted by HotThang
I've been saving them up to now. So...I can save my game before I help the last one, finish the game, get the good ending, then load my save game, harvest her this time, and get the bad ending (and I am sure some achievement). COol!

Sam
In terms of Achievements:
Spoiler:
You get an achievement if you save them all. There's no achievement associated with the bad ending.

nickdawgy 08-27-07 08:32 PM
Spoiler:
I saved all but one little sister the first time through and still got the "good" ending

BravesMG 08-27-07 09:08 PM
Umm... I know I'm an idiot here, but I went back to get all my stuff and now I can't figure out how the hell to get back to the final boss. Any help?


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