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FantasticVSDoom 08-29-07 11:40 AM
Originally Posted by timewaster
when you buy plasma/tonics, is there a way to tell if the item is a plasma or the type of tonic (physical,combat..) before buying?
There should be a more info (I think its the y- button) that will tell you what it is...

JasonF 08-29-07 11:44 AM
Originally Posted by achau9598
ok .. need a few tips on taking down the Big Daddy .. I'm heading into the wharff and want to take on the first one I come to, but he beats me down quicker than anything .. some spoilered help, please :)
Coincidentally, I am now playing the game through for the second time and I have just made it to that guy. I find that one to be the toughest one in the game because you still haven't gotten the really good weapons and plasmids yet. My plan is to wait until the end of the level, and then circle back around to take him out.

Supermallet 08-29-07 12:30 PM
There's a turret underneath the wharf that you can hack. It won't attack the Big Daddy until you do. It doesn't last too long, but it's enough of a distraction that it should give you a head start on pounding the Big Daddy. The other alternative is to not fight the Big Daddy until later. It won't attack you unless you attack it or get too close to the Little Sister.

kmac2878 08-29-07 01:09 PM
Quick question:

Any idea how to get in this door?

DRG 08-29-07 01:47 PM
Originally Posted by achau9598
ok .. need a few tips on taking down the Big Daddy .. I'm heading into the wharff and want to take on the first one I come to, but he beats me down quicker than anything .. some spoilered help, please :)
Spoiler:
Electric buck when you're close, and telekinesis to throw his attacks back at him.

The Bus 08-29-07 02:56 PM
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kmac2878 08-29-07 03:36 PM
Nice :up:

DRG 08-29-07 05:00 PM
Okay, I'm playing through and saving all the little sisters instead or harvesting them. A question:
Spoiler:
I know you get the reward with 200 ADAM and other goodies after rescuing 3 little sisters. And there are 21 little sisters. So given that 21/3 = 7, does that mean you get the 200 ADAM reward 7 times? Because I've noticed there only appears to be 2 plasmid rewards and 4 tonic rewards associated with these gifts, which only adds up to 6. I'm mainly concerned because I want to conserve enough ADAM to be able to afford all the tonics, but also want to pick up as many Health/EVE upgrades and Tonic/Plasmid slots along the way as needed so I don't have to backtrack to those machines later.

The Bus 08-29-07 05:21 PM
I think the idea is you can't get as many Health or Eve upgrades. Personally, I would not upgrade my Eve much as I never used it that much to begin with.

UncleGramps 08-29-07 05:32 PM
You can also skip plasmids that you don't really use that much.

JasonF 08-29-07 05:44 PM
Originally Posted by kmac2878
Quick question:

Any idea how to get in this door?

If I'm remembering correctly, that door will open on its own at a certain point. If it doesn't have a combination, and doesn't have a "push this button to open the door" that lights up when you point at it, then that's the answer.

movieking 08-30-07 05:03 AM
If there any lists up of where to get all of the 53 plasmids for the achievement? Other than going through all of the plasmids by cycling, is there a way to see what you have and what you need?

Flay 08-30-07 07:43 AM
Originally Posted by movieking
If there any lists up of where to get all of the 53 plasmids for the achievement? Other than going through all of the plasmids by cycling, is there a way to see what you have and what you need?
The achievement is for 53 tonics, not plasmids. Plasmids don't count. Also, if you didn't save all the Little Sisters, there is no point in going for the achievement. Here's the list I complied over at A360P:

Spoiler:
Here is the full list of the 53 Tonics:

Physical: 19 Tonics

BloodLust - U-Invent machine / Inventable after Arcadia
Booze Hound - U-Invent MAchine / Inventable after Arcadia
Eve Link - Sold at Gatherer's Garden machines
Eve Link 2 - Farmer's Market / On the ground near U-Invent & vending machines.
Extra Nutrition - Sold at Gatherer's Garden machines.
Extra Nutrition 2 - Storage Basement of the mall area in Fort Frolic. Covered by metal grate if Cohen dies. Also purchasable.
Extra Nutrition 3 - Research Spider splicers
Hacker's Delight - Medical Pavilion / Eternal Flame / Cremate the body near the camera.
Hacker's Delight 2 - U-Invent machine / Inventable after Arcadia
Hacker's Delight 3 - Point Prometheus / Same room as the Big Daddy Helmet.
Medical Expert - Neptune's Bounty / In the center of the muddy section of the Lower Wharf.
Medical Expert 2 - Fort Frolic / Awarded by an alive Cohen or bought in Hephestus
Medical Expert 3 - Apollo Square / Second floor / Opposite end from 2nd dose of lot 192.
Natural Camoflouge - Research the Houdini Splicers
Scrounger - Research Leadhead splicers
Security Evasion - Arcadia / In the center of a group of splicers, near an Invent machine.
Security Evasion 2 - Hephaestus / Heat Monitoring / Across from electricuted ghost scene, sitting on desk
Sportboost - Research Thuggish splicers
Sportboost 2 - Research Thuggish Splicers

Engineering: 16 Tonics

Alarm Expert - Fort Frolic / Theater / Top Left balcony sitting on the ledge
Alarm Expert 2 - Point Prometheus / Optimized Eugenics / on filing cabinet
Clever Inventor - Suchong's Apartment / Beside the tape recorder
Focused Hacker - Neptune's Bounty / In the area right before fighting Peach Wilkins.
Focused Hacker 2 - Apollo Square / In the Slums near Bathysphere / Atlas's Headquarters
Hacking Expert - Arcadia / Sitting on the first desk in Langford Labs
Hacking Expert 2 - Available at the Point Prometheus Gatherer's Garden
Prolific Inventor - Awarded for saving Little Sisters / Last Tonic reward
Safecracker - Awarded for saving Little Sisters / First Tonic reward
Safecracker 2 - Point Prometheus / Little Wonders / In back room with Gene Bank
Security Expert - Medical Pavilion / On a small chest in the morgue.
Security Expert 2 - Research the flying Security Bot
Shorten Alarms - Neptune's bounty / Near "Saw Masha Today" recording or buy it at a Gatherer's Garden machine in Arcadia.
Shorten Alarms 2 - Hephaestus / On the floor right before setting off the EMP.
Speedy Hacker - Medical Pavilion / On the desk in the dentist's lab.
Speedy Hacker 2 -Available at the Point Prometheus Gatherer's Garden

Combat: 18 Tonics

Armored Shell - Can be purchased at the very first Gatherer's Garden machine.
Armored Shell 2 - Awarded for saving Little Sisters / Second Tonic Reward
Damage Research - Hephaestus / Across from the EMP bomb on a table
Damage Research 2 - Point Prometheus / Upstairs / Center of Library on desk
Electric Flesh - Fort Frolic / The Projector Room in the Theater / On bookshelf
Electric Flesh 2 - Olympic Heights / Fontaine's apartment / In the office on the desk
Frozen Field - Fort Frolic / Awarded for killing the Cohen victim in the freezer
Frozen Field 2 - Hephaestus - Room off entrance to Ryan's office - on desk
Human Inferno - Arcadia Gatherer's Garden machine / 20 Adam
Human Inferno 2 - Purchase at Gatherer's Garden machine in Point Prometheus
Photographer's Eye - Purchase at Gatherer's Garden machine
Photographer's Eye 2 - Research the Rosie Big Daddy.
Static Discarge - Medicial Pavilion / In the hallway after fighting Steinman.
Static Discharge 2 - Research Leadhead splicers
Wrench Jockey - Medical Pavilion / Seen from a window. In a back room, reached by airshaft.
Wrench Jockey 2 - Research Bouncer Big Daddy
Wrench Lurker - Neptune's Bounty / Sitting on the ledge near the plasmid machine.
Wrench Lurker 2 - Available at the Point Prometheus Gatherer's Garden

DRG 08-30-07 09:03 AM
Originally Posted by UncleGramps
You can also skip plasmids that you don't really use that much.
Well, my order of preference in ADAM spending is: 1) getting all the tonics (a must), 2) getting health/EVE upgrades (preferrable), 3) getting tonic slots (if possible), 4) getting new plasmids, 5) getting plasmid splots (I have 4 now, which is enough... it honestly is more annoying than it's worth to have more than 4 slots). It's my second playthrough, and of the purchasable plasmids I'd probably only use upgrades to Electro or Incinerate, or maybe Winter Blast and Target Dummy, and even then I could go without those.

I also noticed that some of the plasmids get cheaper the deeper you get into the game.
Spoiler:
Like Enrage starts off as 60 but it's only 45 at Fort Frolic. And either Cyclone Trap 1 or Insect Swarm 1 is only 5 ADAM at Point Prometheus, I can't remember which... probably because they figure by that point in the game it's a pretty useless plasmid.

A-aron 08-30-07 09:20 AM
Originally Posted by DRG
Spoiler:
Electric buck when you're close, and telekinesis to throw his attacks back at him.
Well, I took out Rosey at the wharff and now I can't find the Little Sister .. crap!

DRG 08-30-07 09:24 AM
Originally Posted by kmac2878
Quick question:

Any idea how to get in this door?

That door opens
Spoiler:
when the splicers begin their siege on the lab, after you put the Lazarus formula into the machine in the office.

DRG 08-30-07 09:27 AM
Originally Posted by achau9598
Well, I took out Rosey at the wharff and now I can't find the Little Sister .. crap!
Yeah, I did that too. You have to make sure you don't kill him when the Sister isn't with him, or else you'll have to wait until another Big Daddy shows up and takes her out of hiding again. You might need to leave the area and come back.

Canis Firebrand 08-30-07 09:29 AM
I had that happen as well. Made me mad. I killed the Big Daddy and died at the same time. When I got back, the little sister was no where to be found. She was near him when I killed him and died.
I had to wait until I found another Big Daddy and he got a little sister out of hiding in the tube/vent thing.

Michael Corvin 08-30-07 10:01 AM
I'm trying to judge how far in I am, how many areas are there? I just finished Fort Frolic last night and saved at the beginning of Hephestus.

Also glanced at Flay's diary list and it looks like I missed one of the big 5. :( Oh well. I'll be going through on hard anyway.

UncleGramps 08-30-07 10:21 AM
Originally Posted by DRG
Well, my order of preference in ADAM spending is: 1) getting all the tonics (a must), 2) getting health/EVE upgrades (preferrable), 3) getting tonic slots (if possible), 4) getting new plasmids, 5) getting plasmid splots (I have 4 now, which is enough... it honestly is more annoying than it's worth to have more than 4 slots). It's my second playthrough, and of the purchasable plasmids I'd probably only use upgrades to Electro or Incinerate, or maybe Winter Blast and Target Dummy, and even then I could go without those.

I also noticed that some of the plasmids get cheaper the deeper you get into the game.
Spoiler:
Like Enrage starts off as 60 but it's only 45 at Fort Frolic. And either Cyclone Trap 1 or Insect Swarm 1 is only 5 ADAM at Point Prometheus, I can't remember which... probably because they figure by that point in the game it's a pretty useless plasmid.
Seems like a good strategy to me. Also, not sure if it's a spoiler, but just in case:
Spoiler:
I barely used Insect Swarm at all, and I tried to use Cyclone Trap once, on a Big Daddy. I think it was during the part where you can't control your plasmids, and it popped up so I decided to try it, but then I realized that it doesn't work on BDs.

Michael Corvin 08-30-07 10:47 AM
Originally Posted by UncleGramps
Spoiler:
I barely used Insect Swarm at all, and I tried to use Cyclone Trap once, on a Big Daddy. I think it was during the part where you can't control your plasmids, and it popped up so I decided to try it, but then I realized that it doesn't work on BDs.
I think it says in the description it only works on Splicers.

Michael Ballack 08-30-07 11:10 AM
Just finished the good ending last night. After having played both, even though I usually prefer dark endings, I feel the good ending left me more satisfied. I thought I was really thorough, but I still haven't collected all the blasted diaries. I guess I'll have to get them on hard mode now.

UncleGramps 08-30-07 11:13 AM
Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
I think it says in the description it only works on Splicers.
Yeah, I just hadn't read the description and hadn't ever used the plasmid, so I didn't realize it at first.

Xander 08-30-07 01:02 PM
Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
I'm trying to judge how far in I am, how many areas are there? I just finished Fort Frolic last night and saved at the beginning of Hephestus.

Also glanced at Flay's diary list and it looks like I missed one of the big 5. :( Oh well. I'll be going through on hard anyway.
Spoiler:

Areas:

Medical Pavilion
Neptune's Bounty
Arcadia
Fort Frolic
Hephaestus
Apollo Square
Point Prometheus

You are a little more than halfway through. :)

Michael Corvin 08-30-07 01:07 PM
Wow, thanks. I didn't think I was halfway yet. This does seem short. Hard to tell how many hours I've played though. Just a random guess would be 8-10.


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