Oh trust me, there's more than one reason why I feel like that. :)

When it all comes down to it, most of us are going to buy it anyway, and in the end that's all that matters. Nintendo knows that's the case, so why not charge us more if we'll buy it regardless?

Bastards! :p

Check out these new Red Steel screen shots:

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Has the big N actually ever lost money on the hardware? I seem to remember even the Gamecube was sold at about break-even and can't remember a time in which it was selling at a loss for Nintendo...maybe at the $99 pricepoint at first...

In my opinion both Sony and Microsoft are caught up in an E-penis war. All of the sudden new console prices have spiked from $200-$300 to $300-$600. (And the $300 base model xbox360 is an awfully bad value for most).

There's 2 differences here. #1 - Nintendo is not willing to engage in the same e-penis war as Sony & Microsoft....and #2 - Nintendo spent more of their development money on the Wiimote/nunchuck and less of it on sheer graphical hardware power.

If you're not interested in the controller you shouldn't be getting the Wii, just like if you aren't interested in the graphic prowess of the 360/PS3 you shouldn't be buying those.

So the only way to play any new games on the Wii is by using the new controller? The standard one won't work? I want to own the Wii, but I want to be able to push buttons only while playing. I don't want to be involved that much into a game if I have to fling my arms around to get enjoyment out of it. If I want to swing a tennis racquet or golf club, I'll get off my ass and go outside and physically do it. but for videogames, I want to be a lazy bum and set on my ass and push buttons. If the new controller is the only way to play new Wii games, then I'll have to pass, though I did want the system.

Sorry, sounds like you will have to buy a 360 or a PS3 if you only want traditional gaming.

Not 100% of the games will require the Wii controller (see SSBB) and there's likely to be others, but every Zelda/Mario/Metriod/etc will only be on the Wii. You're talking about sacrificing arguably the greatest set of IPs because you don't believe the controller will work. I find it very difficult to believe that the big N hasn't done their homework on this input device and we're in for a treat.

It is true that over time I fully expect every game to utilize the Wiimote's features, but that's still not true for the DS yet so it is anybody's guess.

Also, I wish people would stop assuming they're going to be flinging their arms around and generally running around their living rooms like a chicken with its head cut off. Besides the promo trailers, has anyone seen anyone look like they're batting away a horde of mosquitos while playing?

Wait till you try it before you write it off. But I have absolute faith in Nintendo and their franchises to really give me something fun and fresh.

been enjoying the 360 for several months. The PS3 will have to wait. I'll wait on reviews of the Wii's remote before making a final decision. I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to play games in a traditional way.

THANK YOU. This post should be kept bolded on every page of this thread until the system is released. :lol:

Then I don't understand why you were ever interested in the Wii at all, since that's all they've been promoting about it.

Neither do I, that's why it's going to be a great time coming up. The DS and Wii are bringing new things to the table and the e-penis battle between Sony and Microsoft is going to lead to some pretty bad-ass "traditional" games. It's a win-win situation if you ask me!

I have always liked the Nintendo franchise and the ability to play the old games on this new system was a bonus.

I don't have a problem with it either. I have my 360 for those games. I'm ready for something new, even moreso after getting a DS. I trust Nintendo.

However, people talking about how small their rooms are for playing a wii got me wondering about my room. I had to double check to make sure I could serve a tennis ball and not hit the ceiling. It's all good. :lol:

I did read IGN's hands on take using Madden '07. They claim there's not much motion involved in making all the moves, etc. That makes me feel better. I'm sure on 11/19, I'll be searching for a system. The Wii shouldn't be as hard to find as the PS3, but is this still a system that requires a preorder to get one? Or will the retailers be well stocked?

I don't think this was covered yet:

Epyx to bring C64 games to the Virtual Console

They weren't my favorite publisher of Commodore games, but I'm glad to see them hitting the VC anyway. Hopefully the price will be reasonable.

From The Magic Box:
Agreed that Epyx wasn't the best C64 publisher, but these games are great! I never could finish Impossible Mission (could anyone?).

I hate to point to the title as an indicator that perhaps it wasn't... well possible to finish the mission. :D

Oh yeah. I didn't really mean that as an insult - I just meant that there are a few others I'd like to see join in as well. Even some of the other biggies, like EA, Interplay, etc.

I've definitely spent a few hundred hours playing the Summer/Winter Games series. And I have finished Impossible Mission. I took tons of practice (and hearing the scream of my character plunging off a ledge a few hundred times).

Stay a while... Stay FOREVER!!!

Cool. Summer games was great but I'd love to see Spluenker and the original Castle Wolfenstein.

I only had two games on our C64 - Forbidden Forest (the cassette version - gotta love the tape drive!) and Slinky, a funny Q*bert ripoff.

I'd love to play both of those games again.

I don't think Sony and MS are doing me any favors - they take a loss not because they want to make it affordable for me, but because they know they can't get away with selling it for a profit.

And "affordable" for them is still nearly twice as much as what the Wii will cost, so I really don't care if Nintendo doesn't take a loss on each console. It's STILL hundreds cheaper than the competition, which is all I'm really looking at here.

Time will tell, but with a million at launch I'm pretty confident anyone that heads to the store say 30 minutes before opening sunday morning will be able to get one.

Pre-ordering is always a safer bet, assuming you get a low spot in line. I have a $160 in GS credit, so I'm going to preorder there both to use it and to not have to worry about finding one if my assumption is wrong. :D

To a degree, yes. Watch the 9/15 episode of the 1up show. The Wiisports games involved a lot of big swings and the guy playing zelda as swinging the Wiimote around quite a bit (which I though looked a bit tiring), and the guy playing Rayman got tired during one minigame where you were shooting juice at rabbits by aiming the wiimote and pumping the nunchuck up and down.

These weren't to the extreme of the promo videos, but some of the game do involve a lot of arm movement.

I don't view that as a negative, and can't wait to try it out personally! But it isn't wrong for some to be concerned abou it if it is something that doesn't appeal to them.

BUT... is that because the game requires such animated motions or is it because your first initial response to the controller is wild motions? I believe it is the latter.

Regardless, I'll never forget how tiresome the first Mario Party was with it's circular analog games. It was still a blast and still the best MP to date.

I'd agree for zelda. But with Wii sports they had people showing them how to play and those people were showing them to use the big motions (i.e. to use the real life bowling motion).

With Rayman I think part of the fatigue was playing stand up as you then have to hold your arm out to aim. If you played sitting down you could rest your elbow on your lap and solve that problem. The pumping with the nunchuck park will probably be tiring either way though.

But I agree with the Mario Party parallel, like I said it sounds fun to me!