abrg923, I haven't heard anything like that and seriously doubt it.

Yeah, I thought the guy was full of shit. It'd be pretty stupid to release a controller solely for downloadable games, and then expect people to buy a THIRD controller if they don't want to use the motion-based controller (I don't).

I'm confused.

classic controller is for VC games only and cannot be used for Wii games - true

Diff controller for Wii games: the packed-in Wiimote + nunchuck: true

I don't get the question. Obviously you can't use the classic controller for Wii games - they need the Wiimote. The motion-sensitive wiimote + nunchuck isn't an option.

I think he means games with traditional control schemes that won't be motion sensitive, a la Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

I would expect that you can use the VC controller for a game like, but I don't see why you would want to. The layout looks awful and cramped. Personally I'd just buy a Wavebird and use that.

Oh, I get it. AFAIK Smash bros is the only non-motion sensitive game announced. I'm sure the classic controller is just a Gamecube controller in disguise

I agree, though, a GC controller/Wavebird is probably a better option.

From gamespot:

Good point there: N64 titles don't need two analog sticks, and there are no virtual console systems that need two analog sticks otherwise. I'd say it's safe to assume that it will work for Gamecube-controller compatible games - and that means SSB, etc.

No, I mean the traditional controller for any game. You can't buy the Wavebird and use it for Zelda, for example, because Zelda isn't compatible with it. (The Wii version) I hate the idea of the motion controller, and if you seriously can't use the classic controller with other games (since you obviously won't be able to use a 'Cube controller with every game), I won't be buying the system.

Yeah, I passed on the N64 because I couldn't use my SNES controllers on it. -rolleyes-

If you have a serious problem with the idea of a motion controller, then this system isn't for you. But it seems a stupid thing to complain about, because the motion-sensing is exactly what this system is all about. It's like saying you'd like Star Wars if it weren't for all those darned spaceships and lightsabers.

See, with me, I want the system for new Mario games, new Zelda games, and the ability to get old games. I was under the distinct impression that you'd be able to use the old Gamecube controller on virtually every game (motion-based or not) or at least the classic controller.

Can anyone point to a definite link that says this isn't the case?

It's going to be up to the developers. i.e. in Zelda you must use the nunchuck and Wiimote. It will be the same in the new Metroid and in Mario Galaxy, but I'm not going to dig up links.

If you don't like the motion based controller, don't buy the Wii. It is the standard controller that is packed with the system, so the bulk of games--and especially first party nintendo games--are going to be designed from the ground up to use it.

Nintendo has never stated this, nor has it ever been true, I'm not sure where you got that impression from because I've never read anything like that. If you want to play the new mario games, you'll be using the new control schemes, just like you had to use an analog stick when Mario 64 came out. It looks like a lot of fun! Mario has always brought new gameplay ideas to the world of gaming, this one looks like quite the revolution. Why would anyone want to use a standard controller for this type of game anyway? ;)

I have to concur with what everyone else has said. The motion sensing is not a gimmick. It is going to be integral to most of the games, including almost all first-party games (the notable exception being SSB Brawl thus far). Any Wii exclusive game will most likely use only the motion sensing, because that's the crux of the system.

The fact that you can't use a more traditional control scheme actually means that the motion sensing will be less of a gimmick, though, which ends up being a good thing.

If you want games where the motion sensing is added on as an afterthought, buy a PS3.

See, I think it's silly and dumb (just my opinion, not threadcrapping) to wave a remote around the TV for hours at a time. I could've sworn that the old-style controllers could be used for these games...I'm glad I know now before buying the system, though. Wish I hadn't sold my Cube...ah well. I'll just buy a used Cube and Twlight Princess.

I would say try an in-store demo before you decide to never buy a Wii. Apparently the controls are a lot more intuitive and fun than you might think.

What's the word on Wii Orchestra? Any advance "reviews" on how it plays? I've seen the videos and all of that, but I haven't actually heard anyone really say what they thought of it. This might sound stupid, but that's one of the games that I'm most looking forward to.

Does it even have a firm release date?

I don't even remember ever seeing a playable version... Unless it was on the screen at E3 that was for special performances only (aka only Nintendo workers :grumble:).

There are a number of videos on YouTube of people playing the game, but I don't know who they are or where it's at:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aYZah8P-U1Q

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nYSM2ThdgvU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iWFoM2mL_-E


I want that game bad, and I want it right now.

Oh, so there is a "playable" version out. It doesn't even look like playing though, just looks like they're waving it around. Maybe it's not so much a game as it is a music player that you can change the pitch or speed of with the Wiimote?

Remember when most thought the DS was "silly and dumb" when Nintendo announced it?

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=342482

:)

I never quite understood why some people couldn't see that the DS was going to be quite huge. Just the concept of the touch screen, with Nintendo behind it all, was enough to get me to stand up and take notice. I am the exact same way with the Wii right now. I see that many people don't get how the concept will lead to some really awesome things, but I really believe that we're in for some truly special gameplay features, and we'll all be saying "holy crap" quite a lot.

Yeah, I will probably do that. I'm hoping Nintendo will have some systems available to demo before launch, for people like myself who are skeptical.

When they initially announced it they didn't mention it would have a touch screen. They basically came out and said they were coming out with a dual screen portable and that's it.

Personally I thought the DS was a stupid gimmick, especially when the only video I saw of it being used was Warioware. But then Phoenix Wright turned my world upside down. So I can see how just hearing about the Wii or seeing some very short promo videos might not be convincing enough. I think the in-store demos will go a long way towards customer acceptance of the product.

People were highly skeptical even after Nintendo unveiled the system at E3 2004, where they fully disclosed the systems touch screen.

I can't wait for some new Super Monkey Ball gaming! :D

http://www.supermonkeyball.com/image...nshot_04_l.jpg