The 1 & Only Nintendo E3 2005 Discussion Thread
05-26-05 | 05:03 PM
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The math all of these companies use to decide the power of their consoles is crap anyway. I'll wait for actual in game footage to decide if there is a reason to upgrade to any of the three.
Also an article about the current finances of our favorite company that will soon be going the way of Sega.
Looks good and reinforces the reasons they are releasing the GBA Micro to try and stimulate GBA sales. I still think they should have put MP3 in it though, just a smaller GBA by itself is not going to be enough.
Nintendo nets double the dough
Currency exchange gains and strong sales of the DS double Nintendo's profits, but company expects net profit to fall for current business year due to declining GBA and GC sales.
TOKYO--Nintendo today announced a net profit of 87.42 billion yen ($809 million) for the business year ended March 31, 2005, a figure more than two and a half times that of the 33.19 billion yen ($307 million) earned in fiscal year 2004. Sales kept steady at 515 billion yen ($4.77 billion), while operating profit rose by a small margin of 3.6 percent to 112 billion yen ($1.03 billion). Sales in North America were 257.9 billion yen ($2.39 billion), and sales in Europe were 121.3 billion yen ($1.12 billion). Meanwhile, sales in Japan totaled 132.0 billion yen ($1.223 billion).
Nintendo attributes its profit gain to a strong yen, earning 21.8 billion yen ($202 million) on $5.1 billion in dollar-denominated assets thanks to favorable exchange rates. The company also saw increased profits thanks to the success of its Nintendo DS; the company has sold 5.27 million DS hardware units and 10.5 million software units since the handheld's launch in December. The DS's success came at the cost of Nintendo's other hardware, however, as unit sales of the Game Boy Advance were down by 12.4 percent. However, its game unit sales were up 12.9 percent, thus making up for the fall. GameCube console unit sales were down by 21 percent, while software unit sales were up by a small margin of 1.02 percent.
Nintendo comments that Pokemon FireRed/LeafGreen for the GBA has been one of its major earners for the year, selling more than 6 million units worldwide. In Japan, the Famicom Mini (Classic NES Series) sold particularly well, drawing the attention of lapsed gamers in their late to mid 20s and 30s. On the GameCube, Nintendo sold more than a million units each of Mario Party 6 and Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door. The company also sold more than 1 million units of Super Mario 64 DS worldwide.
Looking ahead into the current business year starting April 1, Nintendo expects a net profit of 75.0 billion yen ($694 million), sales of 520.0 billion yen ($4.81 billion), and operating profit of 115.0 billion yen ($106 billion). Nintendo forecasts that sales of its DS hardware units will more than double to 12.4 million units for the year. Nintendo has said it expects DS game sales to increase by 250 percent, to 35 million units.
However, Nintendo's DS sales won't be enough to balance the expected decline in its other platforms. The company expects unit sales for its GBA hardware to decline by 33.8 percent, from 15.4 million to 10.2 million units, and GBA software sales are expected to plunge 40 percent, from 85 million units to 50 million units. Sales of GameCube consoles are also expected to decline by 28.6 percent, from 3.9 million units to 2.8 million units, and its game sales are expected to drop from 48.4 million units to 34.5 million units.
With those estimated unit sales figures and its Revolution console not arriving until spring of 2006, Nintendo expects its net profit for the current business fiscal year 2006 to fall by 14 percent.
Also an article about the current finances of our favorite company that will soon be going the way of Sega.
Looks good and reinforces the reasons they are releasing the GBA Micro to try and stimulate GBA sales. I still think they should have put MP3 in it though, just a smaller GBA by itself is not going to be enough.
Nintendo nets double the dough
Currency exchange gains and strong sales of the DS double Nintendo's profits, but company expects net profit to fall for current business year due to declining GBA and GC sales.
TOKYO--Nintendo today announced a net profit of 87.42 billion yen ($809 million) for the business year ended March 31, 2005, a figure more than two and a half times that of the 33.19 billion yen ($307 million) earned in fiscal year 2004. Sales kept steady at 515 billion yen ($4.77 billion), while operating profit rose by a small margin of 3.6 percent to 112 billion yen ($1.03 billion). Sales in North America were 257.9 billion yen ($2.39 billion), and sales in Europe were 121.3 billion yen ($1.12 billion). Meanwhile, sales in Japan totaled 132.0 billion yen ($1.223 billion).
Nintendo attributes its profit gain to a strong yen, earning 21.8 billion yen ($202 million) on $5.1 billion in dollar-denominated assets thanks to favorable exchange rates. The company also saw increased profits thanks to the success of its Nintendo DS; the company has sold 5.27 million DS hardware units and 10.5 million software units since the handheld's launch in December. The DS's success came at the cost of Nintendo's other hardware, however, as unit sales of the Game Boy Advance were down by 12.4 percent. However, its game unit sales were up 12.9 percent, thus making up for the fall. GameCube console unit sales were down by 21 percent, while software unit sales were up by a small margin of 1.02 percent.
Nintendo comments that Pokemon FireRed/LeafGreen for the GBA has been one of its major earners for the year, selling more than 6 million units worldwide. In Japan, the Famicom Mini (Classic NES Series) sold particularly well, drawing the attention of lapsed gamers in their late to mid 20s and 30s. On the GameCube, Nintendo sold more than a million units each of Mario Party 6 and Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door. The company also sold more than 1 million units of Super Mario 64 DS worldwide.
Looking ahead into the current business year starting April 1, Nintendo expects a net profit of 75.0 billion yen ($694 million), sales of 520.0 billion yen ($4.81 billion), and operating profit of 115.0 billion yen ($106 billion). Nintendo forecasts that sales of its DS hardware units will more than double to 12.4 million units for the year. Nintendo has said it expects DS game sales to increase by 250 percent, to 35 million units.
However, Nintendo's DS sales won't be enough to balance the expected decline in its other platforms. The company expects unit sales for its GBA hardware to decline by 33.8 percent, from 15.4 million to 10.2 million units, and GBA software sales are expected to plunge 40 percent, from 85 million units to 50 million units. Sales of GameCube consoles are also expected to decline by 28.6 percent, from 3.9 million units to 2.8 million units, and its game sales are expected to drop from 48.4 million units to 34.5 million units.
With those estimated unit sales figures and its Revolution console not arriving until spring of 2006, Nintendo expects its net profit for the current business fiscal year 2006 to fall by 14 percent.
05-26-05 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
All I'm looking for is that there is a possibility (however so slight) that this woman (Nintendo) spoke the truth. But it looks like I can't even get that from any of you.
There's absolutely no need to keep posting repeatedly trying to get everyone to agree with you or validate your opinion of the two stories.
05-26-05 | 05:07 PM
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Glad to read that Nintendo is still making a killing being a game only company and doing things there way.
No need to start crapping out "mature" and "extreme" games to try to challenge Sony when you can make a $809 million profit doing things your way.
No need to start crapping out "mature" and "extreme" games to try to challenge Sony when you can make a $809 million profit doing things your way.
05-26-05 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
Who gives a shit? Read the stories, take them howerver you will (like everyone does).
There's absolutely no need to keep posting repeatedly trying to get everyone to agree with you or validate your opinion of the two stories.
There's absolutely no need to keep posting repeatedly trying to get everyone to agree with you or validate your opinion of the two stories.
Jeff asks a question, and if I answer it, I'm automatically "tell lies" or "bashing Nintendo" with complete disregard for if I'm using Nintendo as my source on Nintendo news. Someone should have posted a message to let me know that IGN is a more reliable source than Nintendo for Revolution news.
05-26-05 | 07:42 PM
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Frankly, I don't beleive a single word of what these companies say about the amount of times more powerful there system is. I don't think it is something you can quantify, so I think Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft are all bs'ing when they throw out these numbers. These are numbers there PR people come up with because there is no way to know if they are right or wrong. They could throw "100 times more powerful" out there if they wanted, wouldn't mean a thing.
05-26-05 | 08:51 PM
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Nintendo has benefited by the dollar/yen ratio (as they indicate). I hope they do strong this year as its always more difficult on a product down cycle.
Darkside brings up an excellant point, Nintendo could have included a small flash memory (512k would be ideal, use in revolution as well) for mp3 playing. I could see that moving a good amount of units. There's always songpro or Nintendo mp3 player they are releasing however for those really wanting to combine functions, but no where near as cool.
Darkside brings up an excellant point, Nintendo could have included a small flash memory (512k would be ideal, use in revolution as well) for mp3 playing. I could see that moving a good amount of units. There's always songpro or Nintendo mp3 player they are releasing however for those really wanting to combine functions, but no where near as cool.
05-26-05 | 08:59 PM
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Josh,
All I was saying is you could have posted your take on the news story and left it at that. Sure, others probably shouldn't have attacked you for your take on it. But you didn't help matters by being antagonistic and trying to convince everyone else that your take on the article was right and theirs was wrong.
I was hoping you'd see that and change your ways some, but I give up. I don't like putting you on the ignore list as you post a lot of good info (on Sony stuff), but it's not worth dealing with your posts in MS and Nintendo threads anymore.
All I was saying is you could have posted your take on the news story and left it at that. Sure, others probably shouldn't have attacked you for your take on it. But you didn't help matters by being antagonistic and trying to convince everyone else that your take on the article was right and theirs was wrong.
I was hoping you'd see that and change your ways some, but I give up. I don't like putting you on the ignore list as you post a lot of good info (on Sony stuff), but it's not worth dealing with your posts in MS and Nintendo threads anymore.
05-26-05 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffdsmith
Nintendo has benefited by the dollar/yen ratio (as they indicate). I hope they do strong this year as its always more difficult on a product down cycle.
Darkside brings up an excellant point, Nintendo could have included a small flash memory (512k would be ideal, use in revolution as well) for mp3 playing. I could see that moving a good amount of units. There's always songpro or Nintendo mp3 player they are releasing however for those really wanting to combine functions, but no where near as cool.
Darkside brings up an excellant point, Nintendo could have included a small flash memory (512k would be ideal, use in revolution as well) for mp3 playing. I could see that moving a good amount of units. There's always songpro or Nintendo mp3 player they are releasing however for those really wanting to combine functions, but no where near as cool.
05-26-05 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
Josh,
All I was saying is you could have posted your take on the news story and left it at that. Sure, others probably shouldn't have attacked you for your take on it. But you didn't help matters by being antagonistic and trying to convince everyone else that your take on the article was right and theirs was wrong.
I was hoping you'd see that and change your ways some, but I give up. I don't like putting you on the ignore list as you post a lot of good info (on Sony stuff), but it's not worth dealing with your posts in MS and Nintendo threads anymore.
All I was saying is you could have posted your take on the news story and left it at that. Sure, others probably shouldn't have attacked you for your take on it. But you didn't help matters by being antagonistic and trying to convince everyone else that your take on the article was right and theirs was wrong.
I was hoping you'd see that and change your ways some, but I give up. I don't like putting you on the ignore list as you post a lot of good info (on Sony stuff), but it's not worth dealing with your posts in MS and Nintendo threads anymore.
05-26-05 | 09:18 PM
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My point was you could have simply said in one post you didn't trust the article because it didn't have a source, and left it at that.
No need to make that point multiple times (and again others shouldn't have given you a hard time over making that point in the first place).
But at any rate, don't reply again because I won't see it. You got that one in before I had time to get around to editing my list.
No need to make that point multiple times (and again others shouldn't have given you a hard time over making that point in the first place).
But at any rate, don't reply again because I won't see it. You got that one in before I had time to get around to editing my list.
05-26-05 | 09:21 PM
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Kind of a cool article from one of the Nintendo of America guys that talks about some of the themes we have discussed earlier. Mostly how its a good thing that Nintendo is trying to work outside the mainstream of current gaming. Obviously he is pimping his own companies stuff, but I still think its a good article.
Granted I have no problem with games like Grand Theft Auto, Halo, Spinter Cell, etc but I think those genres are already covered and there is no need for Nintendo to also remake the same violent themed games.
Granted I have no problem with games like Grand Theft Auto, Halo, Spinter Cell, etc but I think those genres are already covered and there is no need for Nintendo to also remake the same violent themed games.
Violence Vs. Innovation: Trends at E3 2005
May 20, 2005
Nintendo DS proves that innovation is key.
by NOA_Steven
Don't get me wrong. I adore me the violence. Really good, extraordinarily well done videogame violence is a thing of great beauty. But as ya walk the floor of E3 this year, originality across all systems definitely seems to be going the way of the dinosaur.
Everywhere you turn, another gritty street brawler. Another first-person splatterfest. Another zombie-hacker. More bullets to the head. More bone-crunching brutality. And more elbows to the gut … or was that just me taking out a line of people to witness Pac-Man getting his 25th birthday celebration from a lap's worth of booth babes?
But I digress.
Though it's very possible that I've drunk the Kool Aid, I think it's more possible that there IS way way way too much testosterone in this year's E3. Everyone wants to make a buck off of urban violence, suburban violence and even undead violence. Like I said, I love playing a few of these a year, then switching gears and playing something silly, or stoopid, or fantastic, or transporting, or imaginative, or whatever.
But the only place where I've seen the kind of range and originality that I NEED in a year's worth of gaming is among DS titles: Viewtiful Joe DS is adding in touch-based VFX powers, Black & White Creatures is bringing the PC smash to the touch screen (my dreams have been answered), and turn-based games are getting their due via Advance Wars DS and Age of Empires.
Dual-screen gameplay is coming into its own with the Mario & Luigi sequel and the New Super Mario Bros., WiFi gaming is taking Animal Crossing and Mario Kart online (more dreams come true), and then there are my DS super-favorites from the show: Electroplankton and Nintendogs. The former will be an instant cult hit at the least (and cult hits DO rank among my top 10 all-time games) but could be as much of a megasmash as Nintendogs, which is probably one of THE big success stories of the show. I knew that Nintendogs would turn out to be a worldwide phenomenon a year ago when I first saw game footage; now all of E3 knows it, since you CAN'T get on the demo units to play with the pups unless you wait a good half hour.
The over-over-overdone bloodshed really risked making this my least favorite E3 in quite some time; but the breakthroughs we're seeing on Nintendo platforms (I'll need to talk GBA and GCN some other time … though that Odama is definitely on my most wanted GCN list now) has really made this an important E3 for me.
I could be wrong, but I feel like there's a sea change at work in gaming: Innovation doesn't always get respect; but in Nintendo's booth, where E3's densest concentration of DS gaming is on hand, gamers and non-gamers are swarming the games. Excuse me if I run now … I have a date with a hot Chihuahua.
May 20, 2005
Nintendo DS proves that innovation is key.
by NOA_Steven
Don't get me wrong. I adore me the violence. Really good, extraordinarily well done videogame violence is a thing of great beauty. But as ya walk the floor of E3 this year, originality across all systems definitely seems to be going the way of the dinosaur.
Everywhere you turn, another gritty street brawler. Another first-person splatterfest. Another zombie-hacker. More bullets to the head. More bone-crunching brutality. And more elbows to the gut … or was that just me taking out a line of people to witness Pac-Man getting his 25th birthday celebration from a lap's worth of booth babes?
But I digress.
Though it's very possible that I've drunk the Kool Aid, I think it's more possible that there IS way way way too much testosterone in this year's E3. Everyone wants to make a buck off of urban violence, suburban violence and even undead violence. Like I said, I love playing a few of these a year, then switching gears and playing something silly, or stoopid, or fantastic, or transporting, or imaginative, or whatever.
But the only place where I've seen the kind of range and originality that I NEED in a year's worth of gaming is among DS titles: Viewtiful Joe DS is adding in touch-based VFX powers, Black & White Creatures is bringing the PC smash to the touch screen (my dreams have been answered), and turn-based games are getting their due via Advance Wars DS and Age of Empires.
Dual-screen gameplay is coming into its own with the Mario & Luigi sequel and the New Super Mario Bros., WiFi gaming is taking Animal Crossing and Mario Kart online (more dreams come true), and then there are my DS super-favorites from the show: Electroplankton and Nintendogs. The former will be an instant cult hit at the least (and cult hits DO rank among my top 10 all-time games) but could be as much of a megasmash as Nintendogs, which is probably one of THE big success stories of the show. I knew that Nintendogs would turn out to be a worldwide phenomenon a year ago when I first saw game footage; now all of E3 knows it, since you CAN'T get on the demo units to play with the pups unless you wait a good half hour.
The over-over-overdone bloodshed really risked making this my least favorite E3 in quite some time; but the breakthroughs we're seeing on Nintendo platforms (I'll need to talk GBA and GCN some other time … though that Odama is definitely on my most wanted GCN list now) has really made this an important E3 for me.
I could be wrong, but I feel like there's a sea change at work in gaming: Innovation doesn't always get respect; but in Nintendo's booth, where E3's densest concentration of DS gaming is on hand, gamers and non-gamers are swarming the games. Excuse me if I run now … I have a date with a hot Chihuahua.
05-26-05 | 09:30 PM
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Agree 100% with that article.
If there's not some innovation in the next gen consoles, I'm not buying them. Much more excited about the DS line up than any of the console line ups right now.
If there's not some innovation in the next gen consoles, I'm not buying them. Much more excited about the DS line up than any of the console line ups right now.
05-26-05 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Gallant Pig
Josh what in the DS lineup has you excited? I haven't seen much. Since this is Nintendo E3 it's relevant.
05-26-05 | 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by darkside
At the very least I hope they finally decide to release the Play Chan (or whatever its called) stateside. The video playback won't be the best, but it would make the GBA micro a nice tiny portable MP3 player. Might sell a few more micros and give us some more options on the SP and DS units.
GS: So this is just kind of a remix of the Game Boy, a hipper Game Boy. Is this going to have a different price point?
GH: It may. We're also looking at what the price and bundle combination might be for the fall. One of the things that they've launched in Japan that we're considering is--it's called the Play-Yan and it allows you to play MP3 music or MP4 video files in your Game Boy. We're trying to see how that's doing and if that makes sense to bring out as a companion to this.
GH: It may. We're also looking at what the price and bundle combination might be for the fall. One of the things that they've launched in Japan that we're considering is--it's called the Play-Yan and it allows you to play MP3 music or MP4 video files in your Game Boy. We're trying to see how that's doing and if that makes sense to bring out as a companion to this.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05...s_6126595.html
05-26-05 | 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffdsmith
I'm not Josh, and I don't own a DS yet, but as I've said in other threads I find the coming Nintendogs to hold a large appeal of mine. As well I have gotten much more excited over the Metroid game based on what as at E3 since its looking more like a traditonal metroid game.
I'm looking for: Original Mario 2D games (or 3D), Original Zelda 2D or 3D games, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis & some ports from the N64 of games like Super Smash Bros, Wave Runner, etc.
So far the DS has been really disappointing & without the GBA library useless, but I really hope it can produce the games above.
05-27-05 | 09:28 AM
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I think I posted a list earlier in the thread, but there were several games that jumped out as must buys and several others that would be tempting. The DS games are really the ones I'm most looking forward to of all my current hardware. There are probably only 2 games each for the PSP, PS2 and GCN that I consider must buy, but quite a few DS games.
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow, Animal Crossing, Electroplankton, Trace Memory, New Super Mario, Mario and Luigi 2 , Nintendogs and Kirby are all currently must buys.
Mario Kart, Meteos, Nanostray, Pac N Roll, Viewtiful Joe DS, Phoenix Wright, Metroid Pinball, and Lost in Blue also have me very interested.
That is a lot of software to look forward to. I personally thought Nintendo did a much better job of presenting their software at E3. Sony put so much time on the PS3 that the PSP kind of got lost in the shuffle.
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow, Animal Crossing, Electroplankton, Trace Memory, New Super Mario, Mario and Luigi 2 , Nintendogs and Kirby are all currently must buys.
Mario Kart, Meteos, Nanostray, Pac N Roll, Viewtiful Joe DS, Phoenix Wright, Metroid Pinball, and Lost in Blue also have me very interested.
That is a lot of software to look forward to. I personally thought Nintendo did a much better job of presenting their software at E3. Sony put so much time on the PS3 that the PSP kind of got lost in the shuffle.
05-27-05 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Gallant Pig
Ok. Animal Crossing is the only thing that looks remotely interesting to me. The Metroid 3D style I don't like, I prefer 2D. I don't like games that make you use the stylus a lot either which the Metroid will require.
I'm looking for: Original Mario 2D games (or 3D), Original Zelda 2D or 3D games, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis & some ports from the N64 of games like Super Smash Bros, Wave Runner, etc.
So far the DS has been really disappointing & without the GBA library useless, but I really hope it can produce the games above.
I'm looking for: Original Mario 2D games (or 3D), Original Zelda 2D or 3D games, Mario Golf, Mario Tennis & some ports from the N64 of games like Super Smash Bros, Wave Runner, etc.
So far the DS has been really disappointing & without the GBA library useless, but I really hope it can produce the games above.
I agree in large with you, thats why I have not bought one myself. To be fair, Nintendo said from the begining that the DS is a "third piller" and not really meant to be a GBA replacement. I recall when the original gmeboy launched, it took over 6 months to get 6 games out on the darn thing.
Good news for you though, Nintendo has indicated a 2d DS metroid is being developed for the DS. In addition there is of course the new Mario game that is coming out for DS, as well as Mario and Luigi 2 which should be good. Bomberman is coming out as well. Nintendo is also releasing a gold game, but non-mario you may like.
From the E3 show the DS had a ton of games on hand, check them out at ds.ign.com for pics and such.
05-27-05 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Gallant Pig
Josh what in the DS lineup has you excited? I haven't seen much. Since this is Nintendo E3 it's relevant.
Off the top of my head:
New Super Mario Bros
Mario and Luigi 2
Castlevania
Mario Kart
Kirby
Pac N Roll
Keeping an eye on:
Metroid
Elektroplanton
Bombmerman
Viewtiful Joe DS
And in general, I'm just excited to see some innovative games (like Pac N Roll and Kirby) that use the touch screen well.
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05-27-05 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by darkside
That is a lot of software to look forward to. I personally thought Nintendo did a much better job of presenting their software at E3. Sony put so much time on the PS3 that the PSP kind of got lost in the shuffle.
I too was shocked at the near absence of the PSP, I thought this E3 would be its real coming out party. They spent the majority of the time mentioning how it could wifi connect to the PS3 in the future. Sony had a good oppertunity to solidfy its PSP game image at E3 and I feel they missed the boat.
Nintendo on the other hand did the complete opposite. They chose to push the DS and hold off on the Revolution. Even with Nintendo's DS push it was still lost over the roar of the PS3 and 360.
05-27-05 | 07:17 PM
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Well I am glad to see there's some decent stuff for DS on the way. If it's true they only support it for a couple of years like the gameboy color I will be really let down and probably skip whatever is next. $150 doesn't grow on trees.
05-28-05 | 11:53 AM
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I don't see why people are so worried about Revolution not showing off their stuff. They still have til next year's E3 to show off the total goods. Hell they aren't even releasing the system til next fall probably.