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Old 08-02-23 | 01:01 PM
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Originally Posted by DJariya
You mean you all didn't know that random guy on a dead message board was a "Hollywood Insider"?
Who knows?

Does mr/ms curmudgeon-in-chief actually live in the Los Angeles area?

If so, does he/she have acquaintances who work in the tv/movie entertainment industry and who have big mouths willing to speak their minds?
Old 08-02-23 | 04:23 PM
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First off, Thanks for the detailed reply.

Originally Posted by Jay G.
The convention appearances can't promote old projects from companies they're striking against either.

https://www.thepopverse.com/sean-ast...s-la-comic-con


The idea is that the actors deny the AMPTP members any and all benefit of their "work," and promotion counts as work. And it's very hard to determine what's an "old" project in this day-and-age, especially as streaming keeps some properties evergreen.
That's the part that I bumped on. I don't really see how you can "promote" some old and done with work. Lord of the rings has been complete for over 20 years, yet Sean Astin can't make some money signing still from the movie at a convention? He can't talk about the movies with fans? That seems very excessive on the unions part. I guess it's a little less dickish than saying that Actors can't do any conventions. They can do conventions, they just can't talk about any of their prior work. No fan would ever bring up an actors prior work at a convention.

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For rewatch podcasts, if the hosts are under a contract to produce the podcast, they can keep producing new episodes.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/25/2...h-strike-order


So the pivots away from the rewatching may be due to the hosts opting to support the strike, instead of the union stopping them.
That was my initial reaction when I heard the statement on the podcast. "You are choosing not to talk about the show". And that's fine. Just be honest about it. This particular host simply said due to the strike he is not allowed to talk about the show, which he wouldn't even name.
Old 08-02-23 | 06:55 PM
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That's the part that I bumped on. I don't really see how you can "promote" some old and done with work. Lord of the rings has been complete for over 20 years, yet Sean Astin can't make some money signing still from the movie at a convention?
LOTR is still bringing in money for New Line/WBD. The films hop streaming services, with each paying a license, and even reminding fans of it may spur an increase in views on streaming. which would increase its perceived value to streamers, which may cause them to bid more on it the next time the license is up, etc.

If films and shows just stayed dead and gone with no new sales or revenue after a certain point, that maybe wouldn't be so bad, but the idea is to deprive the studios of any work from the actors that would bring the studios money. Also, keep in mind that exceptions would likely be exploited by studios. Sean Astin can sign LOTR stills? Oh, New Line just suddenly "found" a few boxes of stills in their warehouse, and hey, Sean, would you want these for your autograph session? Cause we were just going to toss them anyway, you'd actually be doing us a favor, etc.

Originally Posted by jjcool
I guess it's a little less dickish than saying that Actors can't do any conventions. They can do conventions, they just can't talk about any of their prior work. No fan would ever bring up an actors prior work at a convention.
They can't bring up any work involving the AMPTP and this specific contract dispute. As the article noted, voiceover work is fair game, because it's not part of this contract. Some indie film projects may also be allowable, since they weren't made by AMPTP members and/or streamed on an AMPTP service.

Originally Posted by jjcool
That was my initial reaction when I heard the statement on the podcast. "You are choosing not to talk about the show". And that's fine. Just be honest about it. This particular host simply said due to the strike he is not allowed to talk about the show, which he wouldn't even name.
That could be confusion on what the host thinks they're allowed to say. Podcast productions can sometimes lag release, and maybe they didn't know all the up-to-date rules about how to handle these sorts of podcasts.
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Originally Posted by Jay G.
LOTR is still bringing in money for New Line/WBD. The films hop streaming services, with each paying a license, and even reminding fans of it may spur an increase in views on streaming. which would increase its perceived value to streamers, which may cause them to bid more on it the next time the license is up, etc.

If films and shows just stayed dead and gone with no new sales or revenue after a certain point, that maybe wouldn't be so bad, but the idea is to deprive the studios of any work from the actors that would bring the studios money. Also, keep in mind that exceptions would likely be exploited by studios. Sean Astin can sign LOTR stills? Oh, New Line just suddenly "found" a few boxes of stills in their warehouse, and hey, Sean, would you want these for your autograph session? Cause we were just going to toss them anyway, you'd actually be doing us a favor, etc.


They can't bring up any work involving the AMPTP and this specific contract dispute. As the article noted, voiceover work is fair game, because it's not part of this contract. Some indie film projects may also be allowable, since they weren't made by AMPTP members and/or streamed on an AMPTP service.


That could be confusion on what the host thinks they're allowed to say. Podcast productions can sometimes lag release, and maybe they didn't know all the up-to-date rules about how to handle these sorts of podcasts.
The Union owns you. Period. You do what they say or you will be black listed. Even “influencers” were told if they cover anything not approved by the SAG they will be black balled forever as scabs. They own you even when you don’t pay them. That’s how powerful they are.
Old 08-02-23 | 10:03 PM
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The Union owns you. Period. You do what they say or you will be black listed. Even “influencers” were told if they cover anything not approved by the SAG they will be black balled forever as scabs. They own you even when you don’t pay them. That’s how powerful they are.
Who is “the union”?
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The Union, Draven. The Union. Get it right, man. Don't piss them off.
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Old 08-02-23 | 10:31 PM
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Who is “the union”?
Hoffa's ghost

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Old 08-03-23 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Abob Teff
The Union, Draven. The Union. Get it right, man. Don't piss them off.
He's already said too much!
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Old 08-03-23 | 04:40 PM
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The Union, Draven. The Union. Get it right, man. Don't piss them off.
Yeah, they need to collect dues off the 85% of actors who don’t even make $26,000 a year! Maybe this is a good time to trim some of them since that seems like way too many people for jobs clearly not available pre-strike.

But dem dues!!!!
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Big Brother gets a .7 demo in August… scripted shows wish they could get that high of a demo on 2023
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Yeah, they need to collect dues off the 85% of actors who don’t even make $26,000 a year! Maybe this is a good time to trim some of them since that seems like way too many people for jobs clearly not available pre-strike.

But dem dues!!!!
Is the Union in the room right now with you?
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Old 08-03-23 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Draven
Is the Union in the room right now with you?
Yes, and I will show you where they touched me.

Old 08-03-23 | 07:11 PM
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https://deadline.com/2023/08/wga-str...994c0#comments

Man, the WGA are being real hard asses over a meeting the studios have requested. It's great to even read the Deadline comments and see actually striking members question their motive by releasing this statement. If this doesn't go well expect to see some people going ficore.
Old 08-04-23 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
https://deadline.com/2023/08/wga-str...994c0#comments

Man, the WGA are being real hard asses over a meeting the studios have requested. It's great to even read the Deadline comments and see actually striking members question their motive by releasing this statement. If this doesn't go well expect to see some people going ficore.
Did we read the same letter? To me, just reads like "don't worry, we may be sitting back down with the AMPTP, but we haven't forgotten about the shit they've pulled, and we're not going to just roll over and end the strike."

Full letter:
We have been on strike for 94 days. SAG-AFTRA joined us 21 days ago. Both our unions are striking to ensure the future of writers and performers in this business that cannot exist without us.

Every step of the way through this struggle, the AMPTP has run its tired anti-union playbook straight out of the 2007/08 strike.

We first talked to you about this in May when the AMPTP was attempting to divide and conquer labor by refusing to negotiate, and going first to the DGA and then to SAG-AFTRA to try to make deals they would then attempt to force on writers, regardless of our needs.

We know how that went.

Now, two unions are on strike and the industry is three months into a shutdown that is causing delay after delay to TV and movies. It is obviously past time for the companies to get a new playbook–one that recognizes the legitimate issues that caused these strikes and takes steps to address them.

But we have been down this road before.

Here’s what happened in 2007/08: After negotiations broke off on October 31st causing the strike, they resumed in late November only to break off for a second time in December as the strike continued. Why? Because when the companies came back to the table they weren’t serious about addressing the WGA’s proposals. They called Guild leadership “out-of-touch”. They waged a relentless campaign through the media and surrogates to spread dissent.

We won’t prejudge what’s to come. But playbooks die hard. So far, the companies have wasted months on their same failed strategy. They have attempted, time and time again, through anonymous quotes in the media, to use scare tactics, rumors and lies to weaken our resolve. Article after article has perpetuated a myth that the strike has no impact because streaming services have libraries and some product in the pipeline. Pundits quoting studio executives claim that the strike is good for the companies financially and that they will be happy to have it extend into 2024 so they can write off their losses.

This is calculated disinformation about the real impact of the ongoing strikes. We have shut down production. Union writers and actors are so essential in this industry that the companies cannot even attempt to do the work without us. It is not a viable business strategy for these companies to shut down their business for three months and counting no matter how much they try and pretend it is.

The rumors of backchannel talks were rampant this week, entirely driven by management, and only because they see it as a useful tactic. Give the town hope, soften us up, and try to use the suffering of other workers and businesses to pressure us to settle. Get us to throw away the power we have collectively accumulated and make us accept a bad deal. It is all part of the playbook. Every move they make at the bargaining table and every rumor away from it needs to be evaluated through the lens of their attempts to get us to accept less.

We’re not falling for it. Writers – screenwriters, Appendix A writers, episodic television writers, all writers – have marched together for 94 days now. We have struck to make writing a viable profession for all of us, now and in the future. We have not come all this way, and sacrificed this much, to half-save ourselves.

Therefore, we challenge the studios and AMPTP to come to the meeting they called for this Friday with a new playbook: Be willing to make a fair deal and begin to repair the damage your strikes and your business practices have caused the workers in this industry.

Until then, our fellow writers, we will see you on the lines.

In solidarity,

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Originally Posted by Draven
Is the Union in the room right now with you?
The Union, The Union, The Union! Capital T, long E, capital U.

What are you trying to do to us, Draven?! Do you want Them to come down here?

I'm not even sure I should be writing this post right now ...
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

https://deadline.com/2023/08/writers...73e828aa12daf1

Nothing came out of today's meeting between the WGA and AMPTP

Looks like they are once again deadlocked.

Edit: The headline on Deadline is a little hyperbolic. The actual letter the WGA sent to their members said the AMPTP needs to consult with the studios 1st before they can move forward and go back to negotiations.

But, it looks like there are some topics the AMPTP won't budge on.

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Originally Posted by DJariya
https://deadline.com/2023/08/writers...73e828aa12daf1

Nothing came out of today's meeting between the WGA and AMPTP

Looks like they are once again deadlocked.

Edit: The headline on Deadline is a little hyperbolic. The actual letter the WGA sent to their members said the AMPTP needs to consult with the studios 1st before they can move forward and go back to negotiations.

But, it looks like there are some topics the AMPTP won't budge on.
Well, back to the picket lines! They want to be paid to strike alongside SAG if they don’t get a deal met and still want an 8 writer minimum. All about them dues!
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Well, back to the picket lines! They want to be paid to strike alongside SAG if they don’t get a deal met and still want an 8 writer minimum. All about them dues!
Do you think “the union”’ only gets dues when striking?
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Do you think “the union”’ only gets dues when striking?

I give up ... Draven is on his own. I have tried to warn him, plead with him, correct him, guide him ... I can't protect you Draven.

You remember that scene from Fatal Attraction with the rabbit? Yeah, that was really The Union.
James Bond testicle rope torture scene? The Union.
Destruction of Alderaan? The Union.
Cannibal Holocaust? Union meeting ...

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Barry Diller on Face the Nation said Sept 1 should be the deadline where a settlement is reached
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Deadline for what?
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Barry Diller on Face the Nation said Sept 1 should be the deadline where a settlement is reached
This is apparently old news. Barry Diller was on Face the Nation 3 weeks ago, and said the strike "should" be settled, as in it'd be good if it was, not that he's predicting it will, by Sept 1.

https://deadline.com/2023/07/barry-d...ts-1235439384/
*** He suggested a Sept. 1 strike settlements deadline. Otherwise, “next year, there’s not going to be many programs for anybody to watch. So, you’re going to see subscriptions get pulled, which is going to reduce the revenue of all these movie companies, television companies, the result of which is that there will be no programs.”

*** That “perfect storm,” Diller said,” “will potentially produce an absolute collapse of an entire industry.”
Barry Diller doesn't seem to be directly involved in the strike. He's described as a "media mogul" due to his investment in IAC, but that company doesn't look to hold any film/TV studios or any TV channels that would host scripted content.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAC_(company)

Here's the full interview:
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I give up ... Draven is on his own. I have tried to warn him, plead with him, correct him, guide him ... I can't protect you Draven.

You remember that scene from Fatal Attraction with the rabbit? Yeah, that was really The Union.
James Bond testicle rope torture scene? The Union.
Destruction of Alderaan? The Union.
Cannibal Holocaust? Union meeting ...
I just keep laughing at the amount of people who feel sorry for people who make over $1000 a day writing who demand MORE pay, MORE residuals and to be staffed in MORE shows when all streamers are losing money and cutting back on ordering scripted.

The industry is shrinking and the WGA refuses to accept that. Just because you want to be a writer does not mean you get to be. There is a limited amount of work (same with SAG) but apparently they just don’t want to believe it. meanwhile, as we already know here at DVDTalk, BTL people and business that rely on filming are fucked. Reading Deadline many are going ti lose it all. But who cares. It’s all about them Writers

coming up to day 100. Things should get interesting once writers start scabbing. Lots of writers are not happy with the WGA direction and don’t believe all the demands make sense. But hey, I’m here for the laughs
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[QUOTE=Gizmo;14306156]I just keep laughing at the amount of people who feel sorry for people who make over $1000 a day writing...[QUOTE]
It's because you're willfully ignoring the fact that those writers do NOT make that year-round, but only for a few weeks a year. The average salary is $53,148 a year. And even with the new requests, their overall compensation would be a tiny percentage of the revenue the shows they write generate.

You're also wrong about the point of the WGA strike, which isn't to stop shrinkage of the industry. It's to ensure the jobs that will still exist fairly compensate. It's no different than any other occupation or industry. Just because the industry is shirking doesn't give companies an excuse to abuse their workers and not pay a livable wage.

And your fake concern for other entertainment workers, all crocodile tears, since you don't put any blame on the studios for not agreeing to fair terms, and arguably wanting to extend the strike to drive people to poverty to make them desperate. No worker should have to accept unsustainable wages just so others can work.

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Things should get interesting once writers start scabbing. Lots of writers are not happy with the WGA direction and don’t believe all the demands make sense.
[citation needed]

How about this: If there isn't a mass defection of writers at the 100 day mark with them all scabbing, will you shut up since it proves you don't know what the hell you're talking about?
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[QUOTE=Jay G.;14306209][QUOTE=Gizmo;14306156]I just keep laughing at the amount of people who feel sorry for people who make over $1000 a day writing...
It's because you're willfully ignoring the fact that those writers do NOT make that year-round, but only for a few weeks a year. The average salary is $53,148 a year. And even with the new requests, their overall compensation would be a tiny percentage of the revenue the shows they write generate.

You're also wrong about the point of the WGA strike, which isn't to stop shrinkage of the industry. It's to ensure the jobs that will still exist fairly compensate. It's no different than any other occupation or industry. Just because the industry is shirking doesn't give companies an excuse to abuse their workers and not pay a livable wage.

And your fake concern for other entertainment workers, all crocodile tears, since you don't put any blame on the studios for not agreeing to fair terms, and arguably wanting to extend the strike to drive people to poverty to make them desperate. No worker should have to accept unsustainable wages just so others can work.


[citation needed]

How about this: If there isn't a mass defection of writers at the 100 day mark with them all scabbing, will you shut up since it proves you don't know what the hell you're talking about?
The WGA is running on fumes and now begging the AMPTP to pay their healthcare benefits while striking. It’s getting real bad for writers, actors and everyone else you don’t care about.

You also believe every anonymous comment you read as long as it’s anti-studio, so there is no point going any further. You don’t have to respond to me.

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