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Old 07-31-23 | 01:43 PM
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Originally Posted by Jay G.
OK, I've discovered that while the WGA isn't asking for straight revenue sharing for shows, SAG-AFTRA did include such a demand in their negotiations.

https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/sa...ts-1235670826/


It sounds like the 2% would be split among all actors in some way. I also assume any actors that negotiate their own revenue sharing would be exempt from this share.

That has been known since the start. 2% of revenue for streamers all losing money. Genius move!

Old 07-31-23 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
SAG is now forcing all the “rewatch” podcasts to stop They really want to make all these small time actors who can barely book gigs as it stands broke as fuck. Good luck getting back that audience after they’ve been gone for months.

It’s all cool though, ya know.
Why should people promote watching shows like The Office and Full House when the studios who are making money on their shows through their streaming services aren't giving it back to the people who actually made the content in the first place? It's literally a commercial for the streaming services.
Old 07-31-23 | 01:53 PM
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Why should people promote watching shows like The Office and Full House when the studios who are making money on their shows through their streaming services aren't giving it back to the people who actually made the content in the first place? It's literally a commercial for the streaming services.
Totally true. I’m sure the people listening to the Boys Meets World and the other hundreds (which is insane) of podcasts by actors not in any/little demand are really happy to see whatever money they were making to get by come to end. I know I personally subscribed to Netflix JUST to watch Full House weekly and not just because I already had a subscription. Of course NO ONE owns these shows any other way - just streamers.

The unions are going to have a revolt on their hands in short time since no progress has been made in 3 months/1 month. I can only imagine how bad it’s going to get once contracts start getting canned this week.

But again, it’s cool. Best of luck getting things back up when this ends and finding your audience moved in to other things.

Old 07-31-23 | 02:16 PM
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The unions, where members voted 97% in favor of striking, are going to have a revolt due to... striking? Again, you seem to think the unions are magical entities outside of the workers. The unions ARE the workers!
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Old 07-31-23 | 04:44 PM
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

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The unions, where members voted 97% in favor of striking, are going to have a revolt due to... striking? Again, you seem to think the unions are magical entities outside of the workers. The unions ARE the workers!

I understand how it functions. But you should also understand after almost 100 days for WGA and now SAG having members stop promoting ANYTHING including Podcasts, you’re gonna have some unhappy members. This happened in the last writers strike which caused many writers to start pushing to scab if a deal was not met. There is a reason why it happened at day 100, right after that 90 day get out of contract day happened. Next few weeks will be telling.
Old 07-31-23 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
That has been known since the start. 2% of revenue for streamers all losing money. Genius move!
It wasn't known "from the start" if you mean the WGA strike, since WGA isn't asking for that.

Streamers losing money doesn't mean that the individual shows aren't making money. There's certainly some shows that generate a lot of revenue, otherwise the streamers wouldn't renew them.

By your logic, streamers would only have to cry "we're losing money" every year to not share revenue. And has been illustrated in this thread several times, creative accounting can make it seem like anything is "losing money" in Hollywood.

However, are you ready to have the CEOs take a pay cut and stop any revenue sharing and/or stock bonuses until the streamers are "making money"?
Old 07-31-23 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
I understand how it functions. But you should also understand after almost 100 days for WGA and now SAG having members stop promoting ANYTHING including Podcasts, you’re gonna have some unhappy members. This happened in the last writers strike which caused many writers to start pushing to scab if a deal was not met. There is a reason why it happened at day 100, right after that 90 day get out of contract day happened. Next few weeks will be telling.
Do you have any evidence for this claim? You've been repeating it, but I can't find anything about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E...America_strike
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-...after-100-days
https://deadline.com/2008/02/strike-...ers-vote-4855/
Old 07-31-23 | 05:21 PM
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He has an uncle who works for Nintendo.
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Old 07-31-23 | 05:27 PM
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You mean you all didn't know that random guy on a dead message board was a "Hollywood Insider"?
Old 07-31-23 | 05:58 PM
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Can individual studios/streams agree to terms, or are they lumped into a non-Union vote to that requires consensus?
Old 07-31-23 | 05:59 PM
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

Originally Posted by Jay G.
Streamers losing money doesn't mean that the individual shows aren't making money. There's certainly some shows that generate a lot of revenue, otherwise the streamers wouldn't renew them.
There seem to be two separate issues here.

Picking on This is Us again (since it's a known quantity), if Fox is collecting a fixed $3.5 million per episode, it should probably be up to Fox to hand out residuals to the cast and writers from that windfall and not Hulu, probably a fixed and contracted percentage.

But on the other hand, a lot of streaming services produce their own material, so when something like Stranger Things is perpetually on Netflix or MCU content on Disney+, and there's no money changing hands, how should they handle the residuals in that case? Based on viewing numbers? Pay out a fixed quarterly/annual amount for however long they're still available?
Old 07-31-23 | 06:03 PM
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Well they don't want to reveal viewing numbers on anything so it's not going to be that.
Old 07-31-23 | 06:09 PM
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Can individual studios/streams agree to terms, or are they lumped into a non-Union vote to that requires consensus?
Hulu, Apple, Netflix etc. are all under the AMPTP. So the AMPTP does the negotiating for all the streamers on their behalf.


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Old 07-31-23 | 06:21 PM
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Well they don't want to reveal viewing numbers on anything so it's not going to be that.
They could pay them by the minute.
Old 07-31-23 | 07:12 PM
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They could pay them by the minute.
By the second or microsecond.
Old 08-01-23 | 06:32 AM
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But on the other hand, a lot of streaming services produce their own material, so when something like Stranger Things is perpetually on Netflix or MCU content on Disney+, and there's no money changing hands, how should they handle the residuals in that case? Based on viewing numbers? Pay out a fixed quarterly/annual amount for however long they're still available?
Well, this is about SAG-AFTRA's demands, since WGA isn't asking for revenue sharing, but I already quoted where SAG-AFTRA wants to use a third-party tool that estimates the revenue a streaming service receives from a show.

That quote again
https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/sa...ts-1235670826/
SAG-AFTRA wants 2% of the revenue that each show generates for a streaming platform to be paid to performers. The union would use Content Valuation, a measurement tool introduced last fall by Parrot Analytics, to determine how much each show is worth to the platform.

Parrot Analytics uses Google searches, social media mentions, and other data sources to measure demand for each show. The metric is not trying to determine viewership, but rather the impact of each show on a company’s revenue. To estimate that, it uses quarterly earnings data and apportions revenue — including subscriptions and ads — to each show on the platform.
The AMPTP objects because they don't think the third-party tool will be accurate enough, but of course haven't proposed their own solution. But Netflix and others know how much revenue each show is brining in, approximately, otherwise they wouldn't know when to drop shows that "underperform", like HBO Max did with a number of shows, and Disney+ did with shows like Willow. You don't think those removals were just guesses, do you?
Old 08-01-23 | 06:39 AM
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Can individual studios/streams agree to terms, or are they lumped into a non-Union vote to that requires consensus?
Last writers' strike, the WGA started a "divide and conquer" strategy a few months in, negotiating agreements with individual studios:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E...ica_strike#WGA
In late December, the WGA announced a new "divide and conquer" strategy designed to break the solidarity of the AMPTP by negotiating strategic interim deals with individual networks, studios, and production companies who were willing to agree to the WGA's proposals. This was intended to put pressure on the other member companies, especially those who were competing with companies that were then able to return to production. The approach resulted in deals with David Letterman's television production company Worldwide Pants,[99][100] another with feature studio United Artists,[101] and a third one with film studio The Weinstein Company.[102] The new strategy contained some risk for the WGA, however, as there was a risk that some members may resent a few writers working while others were still on strike.

On January 14, 2008, two additional side deals were announced by the WGA – one with Media Rights Capital, a production company working on both features and television, and the other with Spyglass Entertainment.[103][104] On January 25, 2008, another side deal was reached; the WGA and Marvel Studios signed an interim comprehensive agreement.
It all depends on what the WGA thinks will be the best tactic.
Old 08-01-23 | 08:38 AM
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Re: Writers Strike 2023

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I understand how it functions. But you should also understand after almost 100 days for WGA and now SAG having members stop promoting ANYTHING including Podcasts, you’re gonna have some unhappy members.
The WGA is allowing their members to promote their work. That's why Greta Gerwig is giving interviews on Barbie and why Jesse Armstrong went all over the internet to discuss the end of Succession.
But by all means please continue to regale us with your insider knowledge of Hollywood.
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
SAG is now forcing all the “rewatch” podcasts to stop They really want to make all these small time actors who can barely book gigs as it stands broke as fuck. Good luck getting back that audience after they’ve been gone for months.

It’s all cool though, ya know.
Recently I turned on the latest episode of a rewatch podcast that I listen to, and the host refused to even name the show that we were rewatching. He then explained that the episode was recorded prior to the strike and I then listened to them talk about the show with another actor from said show. I don't know what they are going to talk about next week, if the strike is still going on. And if they aren't talking about an episode of the rewatch, I probably won't bother listening to it. That's kind of ridiculous that they can't talk about a show that has been over and complete for 12 years. That seems to be directly counter to what we are being told is going on with Convention appearances as well.

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Old 08-01-23 | 03:53 PM
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That seems to be directly counter to what we are being told is going on with Convention appearances as well.
The convention appearances can't promote old projects from companies they're striking against either.

https://www.thepopverse.com/sean-ast...s-la-comic-con
According to the SAG-AFTRA FAQ relating to conventions, striking actors can participate in independent conventions (i.e. conventions not run by or affiliated with struck companies, like Disney's D23 Expo and Star Wars Celebration), as long as they do so in a way that doesn’t promote their work on struck projects.

For one, actors are allowed to participate in conventions to promote work that isn’t struck, for example, television animation or video game work. In other words, Sean Astin would not be able to answer questions about Lord of the Rings or Stranger Things, but could answer questions about the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles animated show and Bunnicula, as they are television animation and thus, not struck work.

Or, actors can simply avoid talking about their specific work altogether. As for what can be discussed along these lines, according to the FAQ, “General topics are fine, such as about your process, why you wanted to be an actor, what you like/dislike about the industry, and the like are fine. You should avoid discussing characters you played on struck work or your work for struck companies.”...

Autographs are a huge part of shows like LA Comic Con. Regarding autographs, the SAG-AFTRA FAQ reads, “You should plan to sign headshots or similar photos of you during your autograph signing. You cannot offer photos of you as a character from struck work. If a fan asks you to sign your photo with your character name or a quote from struck work it is up to your discretion whether to comply with the fan’s request.” However, Actors can sign photos/posters and such related to their struck projects as long as they do not provide them themselves.
The idea is that the actors deny the AMPTP members any and all benefit of their "work," and promotion counts as work. And it's very hard to determine what's an "old" project in this day-and-age, especially as streaming keeps some properties evergreen.

For rewatch podcasts, if the hosts are under a contract to produce the podcast, they can keep producing new episodes.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/25/2...h-strike-order
As first reported in NYT, the union still considers existing TV rewatch podcasts under a contract to be a form of promoting struck work — they can continue to publish new episodes during the strike.

But don’t expect out-of-work actors to launch any new podcasts — the union says both signing new contracts for rewatch podcasts and rewatch podcasts not under a SAG-AFTRA contract are off-limits.

“Rewatch Podcasts are considered promotional. Hosts should honor any pre-existing contracts but, if a contract is not involved, they should not promote struck work, past or current. Guests appearing on podcasts should not promote struck work under any circumstances,” the union’s national director of contract initiatives and podcasts, Sue-Anne Morrow, wrote in an email to Hot Pod.

Given the timing of when the contracts were signed, this guidance very likely gives the green light for new rewatch podcasts on Full House and Bones to launch their first episodes. But the union is giving a lot less leeway to any future projects.

The union posted a new FAQ on how the strike impacts podcasts, with additional guidelines for rewatch and companion podcasts. It instructs members who are approached by a producer to appear in a companion, rewatch, or other entertainment-focused podcast to steer clear of such work. “Members should not accept any new contract to host a show that promotes struck work while the union is on strike,” says the FAQ.

Listeners may also see their favorite rewatch podcasts make some programming changes. According to the FAQ, the union is asking hosts of such podcasts to consider changing up their content during the strike’s duration: “You are free to continue hosting your podcast that is signed to one of our agreements, but if you are able to pivot your show away from the promotion of struck work, we strongly encourage you to do so. We are all in this fight together.”
So the pivots away from the rewatching may be due to the hosts opting to support the strike, instead of the union stopping them.
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There seemed to be a little confusion here on what writers can and cannot do. Christopher Nolan and Greta Gerwig have been out promoting their movies. But they are promoting them as DGA members not writers.

From the LA Times

Most writers are refraining from press interviews for their shows, promotional events organized by networks or studios, and from posting on their own social media accounts, where they would boost awareness about their work. This includes projects that were completed before the strike and those that are currently in production — though some shows have stopped production because of the strike.

Still, in a media environment where the line between promotion and water-cooler conversation is not always clear, writers are not necessarily certain what is, or isn’t, within the rules.

A spokesperson for the WGA directed The Times to the FAQ section of the strike rules under the question, “Can I promote my project at a film festival or at a ‘For Your Consideration’ event about the film or show I wrote on?” The guild advises, “No. You should let the Company know you are prohibited from making these promotional appearances about your work until the strike concludes.”

A source who works with writers and who requested anonymity in order to share private communication, pointed to updated guidance from the guild that appeared to leave the door open for some promotion. It read: “[I]f they wanted to promote their work on their own accord, that would not be prohibited, so long as they aren’t interacting with struck companies or appearing alongside company execs at a press event.”




There appears to be grey area about social media, but it appears the vast majority are staying away from it.






Old 08-01-23 | 08:02 PM
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On The Flophouse podcast they normally recommend movies to watch.
They have stopped doing that in the podcast until the strike is over.

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Old 08-01-23 | 08:04 PM
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New development from Deadline. Sounds a little hyperbolic

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Everyone is going back to the table Friday it appears.

can’t wait for new episodes of THE ROOKIE as see what crazy shit Nolan gets into.
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Negotiations may resume Friday



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