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Old 02-26-18, 06:24 AM
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

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I just don't get writing Carl out unless there was some bad blood behind the scenes. It would have been a game changer to have him recover from a bite.

Bad narrative choice imo.
Yep.

Especially when Carl is still alive in the comics and had a big storyline after "All Out War."
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

I don't read the comics, but I guess Darryl would get any storylines written for older/adult Carl now...
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

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I don't read the comics, but I guess Darryl would get any storylines written for older/adult Carl now...
I do read the comics and don't think that would work. Their personalities are just to different. However, comic Carl and show Carl are also pretty different.

This might be my last episode. I didn't enjoy last season and didn't like this episode. Comic is still pretty good though.
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

I've been watching the show since it premiered back in 2010, and I'm not one of those who hate-watches it or even dislikes Carl, but I felt nothing at all over his death. Not the slightest twinge of emotion.
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

Originally Posted by Osiris3657 View Post
I've been watching the show since it premiered back in 2010, and I'm not one of those who hate-watches it or even dislikes Carl, but I felt nothing at all over his death. Not the slightest twinge of emotion.
And that is a problem. That is why the show is a failure. I think many wouldn't even care if Rick died at this point.
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

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And that is a problem. That is why the show is a failure. I think many wouldn't even care if Rick died at this point.
It's just hard to care about the characters anymore. That being said, I'm still watching it, just to see what happens. I've put in too much time to just walk away. Time investment/morbid curiosity.
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

I haven't enjoyed the show much in a while but I thought last nights episode was at least decent. I half want to think of it as a series finale and sort of walk away from the show on a "high note" I'm sure I will end up punishing myself next week and watch again though.... Damn the show was sooo good for sooo damn long, I would love to think they can turn things around with the second half of the season but I really doubt that next week wont be more cat and mouse crap with Negan and regurgitation of the same old story lines.
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

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What? Where the heck did you get that from? I took that scene as a sequence that takes place at a later time. Rick was holding the note that said "Dad" which Carl gave him. How would you even interpret that?
Did you have a different broadcast than me? He wasn't holding anything in that scene.

Maybe I'm grasping, here, but it still doesn't ring true that they'd kill off Carl's character. The publicized criticisms of Chandler's father complaining about the treatment of his son, etc. seemed too contrived as though they were trying to really convince people that this was really going to happen. Previous dumpster scenes may have lead to this suspicion, as well.
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

The Walking Dead EP Scott Gimple Reflects on 'the Ending of an Era' and the Episode's Mysterious Last Shot

TVLINE | OK, walk me through the decision to veer again from the comics and kill Carl.
We wanted to tell a version of the comic story that kept emotions similar to what you’d get when reading the [source material] but in different ways, so that the comic-book-reading audience didn’t expect what was going to happen. We plan to do that moving forward as well — sometimes pulling moments from the book in sort of verbatim ways and sometimes in ways that are very different, with the goal of heightening the message in some way. Carl’s death fell into that [category]. This in many ways is sort of the ending of an era for The Walking Dead and the starting of a new one.

TVLINE | Mm-hmm. But why Carl?
He needed to be the person who pushed the world in a certain direction, who put out a certain message. That message might even be denied, but we wanted it to have the incredible weight of coming from this young hero in the most serious of circumstances. And [his demise] can show that this world is still the world of The Walking Dead, where these things happen. It couldn’t have had more gravity [if it had happened to another character].

TVLINE | So, Carl’s dying wish was for everybody to just get along and tell the Saviors, “Bygones.” How on earth is Rick supposed to sell that notion to, say, Glenn’s widow?
I’ll just say that it isn’t a slam-dunk that Rick can just accept the vision that Carl has. Other people may need to try and sell him on it.

TVLINE | Even if Rick gets on board, Negan doesn’t strike me as the type to bury the hatchet unless it’s in someone’s head.
Yeah, not after what happened. [The AHK alliance] messed the Sanctuary up good! And even if Negan really did want to jump into [a cease-fire], he is someone who is very conscious of optics… and his image, so that makes it harder for him to make a deal with the wrong people… or who are maybe looked upon as the wrong people.

TVLINE | What was with that last shot of Rick under the tree? Had he hurt himself deliberately, or was that blood just a side effect of having buried Carl?
Those are great questions that I probably shouldn’t answer. But I will say there are answers to that coming. There’s a great deal of meaning on that shot.
http://tvline.com/2018/02/26/walking...-scott-gimple/
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

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Did you have a different broadcast than me? He wasn't holding anything in that scene.

Maybe I'm grasping, here, but it still doesn't ring true that they'd kill off Carl's character. The publicized criticisms of Chandler's father complaining about the treatment of his son, etc. seemed too contrived as though they were trying to really convince people that this was really going to happen. Previous dumpster scenes may have lead to this suspicion, as well.
I really think it would be completely unforgivable it they dumpster dove Carl's death. The backlash would kill the show. You can only mess with people so much before they abandon you.
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

Originally Posted by Abob Teff View Post
Morgan just Mola Ram-ed a guy by reaching into a bullet wound and pulling out his intestines.
In TWD universe, there's a different law of human anatomy and physics.

Is everyone a ninja in the show (including the walkers)? Even though Morgan, Carol and Zeke were looking in that direction - that Henry kid still managed to sneak up behind the baddie without anyone seeing him?

Carl's dead. I can understand why people think there may be a fake-out happening, but after all they've done (bitten, dying, gunshot, buried) - it would be monumentally ludicrous for him to still be alive... even for this show.
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

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In TWD universe, there's a different law of human anatomy and physics.

Is everyone a ninja in the show (including the walkers)? Even though Morgan, Carol and Zeke were looking in that direction - that Henry kid still managed to sneak up behind the baddie without anyone seeing him?

Carl's dead. I can understand why people think there may be a fake-out happening, but after all they've done (bitten, dying, gunshot, buried) - it would be monumentally ludicrous for him to still be alive... even for this show.
He could have just rolled under a dumpster and been ok.
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

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This might be my last episode. I didn't enjoy last season and didn't like this episode. Comic is still pretty good though.
It is for me, even if they manage to bring Riggs back via some sort of "It was all a dream" story line.

Originally Posted by Osiris3657 View Post
I've been watching the show since it premiered back in 2010, and I'm not one of those who hate-watches it or even dislikes Carl, but I felt nothing at all over his death. Not the slightest twinge of emotion.
I did, but it was mostly anger towards the decision to off Riggs. I think a lot of us use to hate his character at the beginning, but I think that pretty much disappeared once you saw what he went through in the last 7 years and the fact that Riggs has proved himself in the acting department.
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

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The Walking Dead EP Scott Gimple Reflects on 'the Ending of an Era' and the Episode's Mysterious Last Shot



http://tvline.com/2018/02/26/walking...-scott-gimple/
Pic of Rick by the tree bleeding:

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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

I am so in the minority then. I thought this was such a better way of setting up what happens in the comics. As I was watching this it made more sense to me if they resolve All Out War like in the comic.
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

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I don't read the comics, but I guess Darryl would get any storylines written for older/adult Carl now...


Replacing Carl with Darryl in the "Whispers into Screams" storyline would be creepy as hell.
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

It sounds like the death of Merle was more touching than Carl's.
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Coralís goodbye and thanks

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It sounds like the death of Merle was more touching than Carl's.
That Carl has been about to die since just after Thanksgiving definitely lessens the blow.
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

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Did you have a different broadcast than me? He wasn't holding anything in that scene.

Maybe I'm grasping, here, but it still doesn't ring true that they'd kill off Carl's character. The publicized criticisms of Chandler's father complaining about the treatment of his son, etc. seemed too contrived as though they were trying to really convince people that this was really going to happen. Previous dumpster scenes may have lead to this suspicion, as well.

I re-watched the last scene via the AMC app just now and yeah it was just Rick sitting their wounded.

I confused it with one of the quick cuts with him holding the note that said "Dad" from earlier in the episode.

I still take that as a sequence later on (the season finale?)

And yeah I see how most wouldn't care about Carl's death since it was all but official back in November when the mid-season finale aired. Having about 3 months to digest it killed any drama/emotional ties to it.
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

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I really think it would be completely unforgivable it they dumpster dove Carl's death. The backlash would kill the show. You can only mess with people so much before they abandon you.
I disagree... the show is mostly a hate-watch for most of us now... we can't let go. Just end it already.
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

I haven't watched this show since season 4 or 5 and haven't given it a second thought. Don't miss it at all. However, when I saw Carl died last night, I came here thinking there'd be 15 pages of bitching and/or cheering and/or whatever given how Carl was one of two or three characters everyone always assumed was untouchable. Color me surprised to find 1+ pages of mostly apathy. Man, how the mighty have fallen.
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

The first 20 minutes were basically a rehash of the last mid season finale episode, and were not needed for anything other than yet again padding a longer run time. ($$$)

Much like what happened with Glenn, twice, there is no drama around how they killed Carl's character. Entire thing was another ratings grab.
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Re: The Walking Dead (S8E09) -- "Honor" -- 2/25/18

Originally Posted by DthRdrX View Post
The first 20 minutes were basically a rehash of the last mid season finale episode, and were not needed for anything other than yet again padding a longer run time. ($$$)
We re-watched the mid-season finale before the new episode and that made it even more obvious. Was anyone truly mystified as to how Morgan ended up at the Kingdom when the Saviors arrived? Well good thing they solved that puzzler.

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