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JohnSlider 02-17-10 07:21 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
What is everybody's obsession with pointing out the fact that they had (posted) a certain theory first? Are you worried someone else will get credit, or do you think they stole your idea? It's getting quite tiresome, and it's entirely possible for more than one person to have a similar theory. Also, not everybody has time to read ten-plus pages of crap and remember who said what.

Moopher 02-17-10 07:22 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
Originally Posted by Jason (Post 10004263)
My prediction is the kid is Aaron. Remember that Eloise Hawking said everyone had to return, even him? Somehow his not being there is unravelling things.
That's the first thing I said to my friends when we were watching it, but I got destroyed by them for suggesting such a thing.

Moopher 02-17-10 07:24 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
Originally Posted by John Slider (Post 10004431)
What is everybody's obsession with pointing out the fact that they had (posted) a certain theory first? Are you worried someone else will get credit, or do you think they stole your idea? It's getting quite tiresome, and it's entirely possible for more than one person to have a similar theory. Also, not everybody has time to read ten-plus pages of crap and remember who said what.
Hey that's what I was going to say! Thief!

;)

bunkaroo 02-17-10 07:32 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
That kid has got to be Aaron right? Or maybe Walt.

mhg83 02-17-10 07:38 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
One thing I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet ; Everyone's alternate NC life has drastically changed except for Kate. She's still a fugitive and was in handcuffs by that bounty hunter guy. Wonder why her life hasn't been altered?

Moopher 02-17-10 07:44 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
What about Claire? She's still stuck with Aaron, though he's in her gut.

hardercore 02-17-10 07:50 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
Originally Posted by mhg83 (Post 10004460)
One thing I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet ; Everyone's alternate NC life has drastically changed except for Kate. She's still a fugitive and was in handcuffs by that bounty hunter guy. Wonder why her life hasn't been altered?
But after five seasons of running, What Kate Does is stay!!?!?! This is a monumental shift in character.

Elpresidentepez 02-17-10 07:57 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
Originally Posted by mhg83 (Post 10004460)
One thing I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet ; Everyone's alternate NC life has drastically changed except for Kate. She's still a fugitive and was in handcuffs by that bounty hunter guy. Wonder why her life hasn't been altered?
I don't know if this is considered a spoiler since they haven't mentioned it on the show, but at last year's comic con they showed a few videos that highlighted some of the differences in the timelines:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQXuiCge-wI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlhkqAwEgvQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfoqY...eature=channel

dino88 02-17-10 07:59 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
Originally Posted by mhg83 (Post 10004460)
One thing I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet ; Everyone's alternate NC life has drastically changed except for Kate. She's still a fugitive and was in handcuffs by that bounty hunter guy. Wonder why her life hasn't been altered?
She did say she was innocent though.

CharlieK 02-17-10 08:05 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
I thought Sayid's 'What happened?' last week was a pretty good cliffhanger, but this episode was so strong I just realized there was none of that storyline.

BravesMG 02-17-10 08:23 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
Originally Posted by CharlieK (Post 10004500)
I thought Sayid's 'What happened?' last week was a pretty good cliffhanger, but this episode was so strong I just realized there was none of that storyline.
That was actually two weeks ago, last week's cliffhanger was that Claire is "alive" and running around the island shooting people.

Not that they even mentioned that either, but it was such a great episode I didn't notice until later and didn't mind.

CharlieK 02-17-10 08:26 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
See?!?! This show is great!

Superman07 02-17-10 08:26 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
Sawyer isn't stupid. I'm waiting for him to pull the big con and screw over Flocke. :up:

This alternative reality is totally screwy. Despite being "normal" I was entirely creeped out by Ben as a teacher. After his platitude on tea, I was expecting him to get John fired.

Were there numbers next to any of the other names that were crossed out? It could give a better idea of numbers for the amount that have come through before as "candidates".

marginal 02-17-10 08:32 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
Maybe the thing that's different in the alternate timeline is that Jacob never visited the "candidates" earlier in their lives.

dsa_shea 02-17-10 08:35 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
Aaron as a three year old being the kid just doesn't work. My thought is that there is a third entity/person on the island and this is the first encounter with him.

Josh-da-man 02-17-10 08:40 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
Originally Posted by dsa_shea (Post 10002976)
I wonder just how much Jacob really cares about the Others or does he just see them as pawns in this game.
"Lost" makes me think of "Babylon 5":

(Babylon 5 spoilers)
Spoiler:
In Babylon 5 there were two races of god-like, ancient aliens, the Vorlons and the Shadows. For the first three years of the series it was always assumed by the characters and the viewers that the Vorlons were benevolent, but as time went on, it was revealed that the Vorlons and Shadows represented two opposite ideological extremes, and that the younger races were being dragged into their ancient conflict.

Watching "Lost," we sort of assume that Jacob is the "good" guy, but when you examine the context of his Black Rock conversation with MIB...

"It always ends the same."
"It only ends once, everything that happens before that is just progress."

It sounds like Jacob is just using people to prove some kind of point, and that he doesn't really care what happens to them.

The Bus 02-17-10 08:54 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
The show will end with Frogurt as the new MIB and the polar bear as the new Jacob.

dsa_shea 02-17-10 08:55 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
Please no new MIB and Jacob. I want to see this issue resolved and not just the characters replaced.

Ringo20000 02-17-10 09:11 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
Originally Posted by The Bus (Post 10004603)
The show will end with Frogurt as the new MIB and the polar bear as the new Jacob.
It's obvious Arzt will be the new Jacob.

A-aron 02-17-10 09:16 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
When Locke was rolling through the school hall looking for the lounge, did anyone else think it was supposed to be Walt that he grabbed for directions?

hippie68 02-17-10 09:18 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
Originally Posted by The Bus (Post 10002899)
I want an entire show of scared Richard telling people things in a hurry, then running away.
this

cracksky 02-17-10 11:24 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
I think the show will end with Locke back in L.A. walking down the isle with Helen, in marriage...wait for it...with Smokey as his best man (but he keeps dropping the ring!). The ceremony ends and the couple kiss. The crowd cheers! Smokey reacts and goes on a killing rampage. That darn Smokey.

Coming this fall to NBC. (pending Jay Leno's schedule)

GenPion 02-17-10 11:33 PM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
Originally Posted by dsa_shea (Post 10003446)
I don't think that I want to see people taking Jacob and MIB's place as it will leave a feeling that nothing has really been resolved.
I agree. And I don't see the show ending that way. I think that's what we are supposed to be thinking right now, but in actuality these Lost-characters are going to be the ones to break this cycle and put an end to the debate over whether or not humanity is good or evil.

Now how's this for weird theorizing: what if Kate isn't on the list as a "Candidate" because she's already been chosen by Jacob to be his "replacement" of sorts. And so she is Eve, and Flocke is Adam... how that works out, I have no idea. But it's a fun idea anyway.

freshticles 02-18-10 02:07 AM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
Originally Posted by achau9598 (Post 10004661)
When Locke was rolling through the school hall looking for the lounge, did anyone else think it was supposed to be Walt that he grabbed for directions?
Because the kid was black?!

kilcher 02-18-10 04:23 AM
Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
Originally Posted by Goldberg74 (Post 10003672)
... but in order...

4 - Locke
8 - Reyes
15 - Ford
16 - Jarrah
23 - Shephard
42 - Kwon

We get Hurley's numbers.

Plus, Kate is missing from the list, but if I remember correctly, Jacob never touched her.
My wife said only men's names were on the wall, assuming Kwon is Jin and not Sun.


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