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boc4ever 02-23-10 06:35 AM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 

Originally Posted by cracksky (Post 10013684)
Just watched this one last time getting ready for the new episode and thought of something that others may have already mentioned. Can't remember. MiB tells Sawyer the names are possible recruitments to replace the now dead Jacob who was protecting the island from nothing. Before that he tells him that he is trapped and that he used to be a man just like him. At the statue, we saw him tell Ben he wanted to go home.

I think the MiB is looking for a replacement for himself (not Jacob) so he can finally be free from Smokey and the burden of 'protecting the island,' all these years. I don't think the MiB can leave the island until Smokey is transferred to someone else. Maybe Jacob is the reason why the MiB has Smokey inside of him and that's why he wanted to kill him.

I think Jacob was all by himself on the island as Smokey when the Black Rock crashed. The MiB and Richard were the only survivors and Jacob transferred Smokey to the MiB as Richard went to the Temple. The MiB's resentment festered for years. I guess the guilt of what Jacob did made him leave the island (via the wheel I'm guessing) and help recruit the passengers) for the MiB's replacement since he couldn't leave himself.

Still, I think a previous poster was correct when this series will end with a new 'Jacob' and a new 'MiB' sitting on the beach watching as a new ship comes in. Probably Sawyer and Jack.

This is an interesting theory...

Palaver 02-23-10 08:42 AM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 

Originally Posted by cracksky (Post 10013684)
I think Jacob was all by himself on the island as Smokey when the Black Rock crashed. The MiB and Richard were the only survivors and Jacob transferred Smokey to the MiB as Richard went to the Temple. The MiB's resentment festered for years. I guess the guilt of what Jacob did made him leave the island (via the wheel I'm guessing) and help recruit the passengers) for the MiB's replacement since he couldn't leave himself..

I like your theory, but the MIB was on the island before the Black Rock crashed. We saw that last season.

Plus, if the MIB is looking for a replacement, seems like he would be the one bringing people to the island. According to the scene from last season, he seems to dislike the idea of bringing people to the island.

dsa_shea 02-23-10 08:59 AM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
The MIB has been on the island for thousands of years me thinks.

cracksky 02-23-10 01:06 PM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 

Originally Posted by Palaver (Post 10013863)
I like your theory, but the MIB was on the island before the Black Rock crashed. We saw that last season.

Plus, if the MIB is looking for a replacement, seems like he would be the one bringing people to the island. According to the scene from last season, he seems to dislike the idea of bringing people to the island.

I've thought about the scene on the beach quite a bit and if the MiB was on the Black Rock ("good to see you out of those chains, Richard") then the ship on the horizon coming towards Jacob and the MiB is simply the next ship. Remember, The Black Rock arrives during a huge thunderstorm and this was a calm sunny day.

whotony 02-23-10 01:17 PM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
I think you might be overthinking this one too.

That ship was surely the black rock.
MIB probably saw Richard in chains when the ship came to the beach or popped onto the island.
As for the storm, hasn't smokey been somewhat of a storm when it appears?

Palaver 02-23-10 01:22 PM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 

Originally Posted by cracksky (Post 10014503)
Remember, The Black Rock arrives during a huge thunderstorm and this was a calm sunny day.

Refresh my memory. How do we know that the Black Rock arrives during a thunderstorm?

JohnSlider 02-23-10 02:28 PM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
Maybe the MiB sitting on the island did transfer smokey to someone new who was on the black rock. We haven't seen that man (actor) since that episode, so maybe he did transfer it to someone new, maybe to the person Locke saw sitting in the rocking chair in the cabin. So maybe we've already seen two different MiB's.

cracksky 02-23-10 02:30 PM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 

Originally Posted by Palaver (Post 10014541)
Refresh my memory. How do we know that the Black Rock arrives during a thunderstorm?

I just checked 'The Constant' episode and there was no mention of a storm so I guess I was thinking of Rousseau's ship. The painting shows rough waters compared to the relatively still waters near the island. Could be for dramatic purposes. The Black Rock set sail on March 22, 1845 from England and the ledger was found 7 years later near Madagascar.

Click to enlarge:
Click to Enlarge:These are definitely both the same ship.

whotony 02-23-10 05:25 PM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 

Originally Posted by John Slider (Post 10014689)
Maybe the MiB sitting on the island did transfer smokey to someone new who was on the black rock. We haven't seen that man (actor) since that episode, so maybe he did transfer it to someone new, maybe to the person Locke saw sitting in the rocking chair in the cabin. So maybe we've already seen two different MiB's.

Well smokey has been seen as Locke so that's at least 2 people that smokey has been.

The Cow 02-23-10 05:35 PM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 

Originally Posted by Flave (Post 10012247)
I think they're going to play back that scene multiple times with a different picture each time (as the timeline changes?). Best way to do that is to film the scene once and then green screen the modified picture.


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 10012620)
Way too involved for a split second shot that is quite possible no one would give a moments thought to.

Flave, you are apparently no one.

Flave 02-24-10 10:14 AM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 

Originally Posted by The Cow (Post 10015059)
Flave, you are apparently no one.

The shocking revelation that you are no one at all is healed instantly by the understanding that you need not be anyone at all.

Michael Corvin 02-24-10 10:45 AM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
:lol:

Joe Schmoe 02-24-10 09:51 PM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
So not only were Rose, Locke and Hurely on the same plane going from Sydney to LA, they all end up at the same employment agency owned by Hurley? A happy coincidence?

pinata242 02-25-10 09:01 AM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
How is Hurley sending Locke to his employment agency a coincidence?

I don't ever recall hearing what Rose did, so it sounds like the writers shoe-horned her in there, but whatever. Locke needed someone who had an "irreversible" condition like him to actually tell him what he couldn't do. Might as well be Rose with her terminal cancer.

We always knew Locke worked at a box company. We always knew Hurley owned a box company. We were always left to infer they were one-in-the-same.

whotony 02-25-10 09:46 AM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 

Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 10018307)
How is Hurley sending Locke to his employment agency a coincidence?

I don't ever recall hearing what Rose did, so it sounds like the writers shoe-horned her in there, but whatever. Locke needed someone who had an "irreversible" condition like him to actually tell him what he couldn't do. Might as well be Rose with her terminal cancer.

We always knew Locke worked at a box company. We always knew Hurley owned a box company. We were always left to infer they were one-in-the-same.

It's an alternate timeline, doesn't matter what rose did before.

Josh-da-man 02-25-10 09:51 AM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 

Originally Posted by Joe Schmoe (Post 10017750)
So not only were Rose, Locke and Hurely on the same plane going from Sydney to LA, they all end up at the same employment agency owned by Hurley? A happy coincidence?

Did you just start watching Lost?

Joe Schmoe 02-25-10 09:53 PM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 10018361)
Did you just start watching Lost?

No, I just think sometimes all of these characters' lives crossing again and again pushes the limits of credibility. In this alternate timeline, Rose works for Hurley. Ok. Maybe they went together to Sydney and Locke just happened to pick the same flight. Ok. But then Locke gets fired from his company, which just happens to be owned by Hurley, whom he just happens to run into in the parking lot and who just happened to be on the same flight as Locke when Locke flew from Sydney to LA. Ok.
At this point, I guess the only credible explanantion is someone or something (like Jacob) is manipulating all of their lives.

calhoun07 02-25-10 10:25 PM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 

Originally Posted by Joe Schmoe (Post 10019478)
No, I just think sometimes all of these characters' lives crossing again and again pushes the limits of credibility. In this alternate timeline, Rose works for Hurley. Ok. Maybe they went together to Sydney and Locke just happened to pick the same flight. Ok. But then Locke gets fired from his company, which just happens to be owned by Hurley, whom he just happens to run into in the parking lot and who just happened to be on the same flight as Locke when Locke flew from Sydney to LA. Ok.
At this point, I guess the only credible explanantion is someone or something (like Jacob) is manipulating all of their lives.

Yes, that's pretty much the point. Even though in that time line they avoided the island, the island is still playing a part in their lives/destiny.

hardercore 02-26-10 04:19 AM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 

Originally Posted by Joe Schmoe (Post 10019478)
No, I just think sometimes all of these characters' lives crossing again and again pushes the limits of credibility.

At this point, I guess the only credible explanantion is someone or something (like Jacob) is manipulating all of their lives.

That or Alejandro González Iñárritu is directing their lives.

Joe Schmoe 02-28-10 11:03 AM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 

Originally Posted by hardercore (Post 10019757)
That or Alejandro González Iñárritu is directing their lives.

Who's that?

whotony 02-28-10 11:04 AM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
An obscure director of Spanish language movies I think.

Groucho 02-28-10 11:05 AM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
It's not obscure at all, just cut and paste his name into Wikipedia or IMDB if you honestly don't know who he is.

whotony 02-28-10 11:23 AM

Re: Lost: The Final Season -- "The Substitute" -- 02/16/10
 
I think he's obscure, of the 9 movies he directed maybe 3 of them are somewhat known and the movies themselves are more known then the name of the guy who directed them.
I know who he is, my "I think" was more for if his movies are Spanish or not.

Anyway besides groucho, are there very many people who would get that very obscure reference?


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