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IDrinkMolson 12-05-06 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
4. Peter "seeing" Sylar in his cell made me wonder if Peter doesn't just "borrow" powers and might be somehow holding onto pieces of those he's absorbed.

I was thinking the same thing, except thought that this is one of Sylar's powers and now Peter has it from him. I don't think he had it before meeting Sylar.

Draven 12-05-06 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by Xander
I think HRG guy has the nulling power. That's why Peter was getting sick around him. And the Haitian just has the mind-wipe power. :)

Eh, maybe. But then I have to give the writers a huge "boo". That would mean the only reason they cut to the Haitian guy hanging outside the interrogation room when Matt's powers weren't working was to throw us off.

And they made it pretty obvious that Matt could not read the Haitians mind in the bar. Does that mean the HRG guy was there too?

I don't buy it.

Jay G. 12-05-06 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by RKillgore
Since HRG said that Sylar repeatedly re-sequencing his DNA is adversely affecting him, I wonder if that's what's taking the toll on Peter.

I agree. I think Peter's sickness was a result of being near Sylar.


Maybe the reason Claire's Mom is so flaky is that she's been mind-wiped so many times.
I also agree with this.

Jay G. 12-05-06 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
3. He's been described as "The Haitian" for a while now on IMDB, and last night it was confirmed on the show.

"The Haitian" was first referred as that on the show a few episodes back, when the cop and Nuclear Man were comparing notes on their abductions.


6. I'm not convinced that it's Peter who will blow up. He's put himself in other people's places in his dreams before, so it might be Atomic Ted or someone else who's going to go off.
I don't think the dream was literal, in a "it will happen exactly like this" type of way, but it may be true. However, the reactions from the other Heroes seems to be consistent to how they would react if it were him, and not Nuclear Man.

From what we know, Peter is really the only one who can go mano-a-mano with Sylar, if Peter is able to utilize all the powers Sylar has. My theory on the dream:

Sylar escapes and absorbs Nuclear Man. The Heroes chase him down to NYC and try and stop him. Peter succeeds in subduing Sylar, but in the course absorbs Nuke Man's power and can't control it and explodes.

Jay G. 12-05-06 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by shoppingbear
:confused: I thought Eden made the comment (in the hallway, when arguing that Sylar should be killed) that the Haitian DOESN'T speak, not that he "couldn't"?

Eden's line was something along the lines of "and if he could speak, he'd agree with me."

Jay G. 12-05-06 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by Xander
I think HRG guy has the nulling power. That's why Peter was getting sick around him. And the Haitian just has the mind-wipe power.

Mr. Bennett doesn't have the null power; the cop already read his mind once when they abducted him. When that happened, Mr. Bennett turned to The Haitian and asked him to turn up the juice. The cop said he couldn't read The Haitian's mind at all.

Baron Of Hell 12-05-06 10:27 PM


Originally Posted by Jimmy James
Has Claire been injured in HRG's presence? I don't think so.

Sure when she cut her hand fighting with the other other cheerleader over the outfit.

Jimmy James 12-05-06 10:29 PM


Originally Posted by Baron Of Hell
Sure when she cut her hand fighting with the other other cheerleader over the outfit.

That didn't heal right up, either. It bled and moms took her to the ER where they treated her, right? It was only later that she checked it and found it healed, right?

clckworang 12-05-06 10:50 PM

OK, so I know that this probably won't change anyone's minds, but this is what the episode summary at the Heroes site on NBC says about the Sylar/Eden incident:


Eden calls Suresh to tell him that "I'm not who you think I am... I'm a bad person... I want to explain it all to you and soon." She tells him that she wants to make things right, "Starting by killing the man who killed your father." Eden faces Sylar with a gun and commands him to use it to blow his own brains out. It doesn't work. He smashes the glass, grabs the gun, and shoots her in the head.

So, the official Heroes site says that Sylar shot Eden, NOT that Eden killed herself. It's funny because when I watched it, I never thought for a second that Eden killed herself. It seemed very clear to me that it was all Sylar's doing and Eden was trying to resist. :shrug:

Trelach24 12-05-06 10:59 PM

I rewatched it and Sylar definitely has a look of surprise on his face right before the gun goes off. She definitely pulled the trigger on herself. There is no doubt about it. Maybe they really want everyone to think it's the other way around.

collven 12-05-06 11:09 PM


Originally Posted by clckworang
OK, so I know that this probably won't change anyone's minds, but this is what the episode summary at the Heroes site on NBC says about the Sylar/Eden incident:




So, the official Heroes site says that Sylar shot Eden, NOT that Eden killed herself. It's funny because when I watched it, I never thought for a second that Eden killed herself. It seemed very clear to me that it was all Sylar's doing and Eden was trying to resist. :shrug:


If you go to NBC.com, you can view the clip. To me, it's very obvious that Eden shoots herself. Sylar doesn't look happy at all once he realizes what she is doing. If he was forcing her to do it, he would have been smiling or something. Besides, why would he shoot her in the head and blow her brains all over the glass when he could just kill her and neatly slice her head open to have access to her brain with no damage?

dave-o 12-05-06 11:39 PM

My guess about why he was able to get to mini-Bilson is that there is some sort of disruptor machine that they have running somewhere to keep him contained. She probably had to turn it off so that she could try to persuade him. She did this thinking that she would be able to control him, but obviously that didn't go so well for her...

mrhan 12-06-06 12:08 AM


Originally Posted by Jay G.
I agree. I think Peter's sickness was a result of being near Sylar.


I also agree with this.


--but shouldn't he have been okay after hanging out w/ Claire in the detention cell? He should have absorbed her power enough to cure him of his cough. Doesn't her power go beyond healing just broken bones and skin? On the other hand, maybe the Haitian guy was in close enough proximity to cancel out their powers.

Jimmy James 12-06-06 12:11 AM

The comic is canon, right? If so, there really shouldn't be any argument about what happened with mini-Bilson.

clckworang 12-06-06 12:21 AM

OK, so I rewatched the clip and now I do think that she killed herself. To be honest, I don't know how I ended up getting turned around. Maybe it has something to do with my state of mind when I was watching last night. :p

But I still find it odd that they would say differently on the episode summary of the official site ...

Josh-da-man 12-06-06 01:58 AM


Originally Posted by Jimmy James
The comic is canon, right?

I'm wondering that myself.

If the comics are canon, then that means that -- (Spoilers for the comic, and possibly future episodes)

Spoiler:
Eden wouldn't have needed the gun to kill Sylar. She could've just told him to "drop dead."

And, judging by the last one, Sylar didn't escape. And was recaptured immediately after Eden shot herself.

Which could mean she wouldn't have had to kill herself because Mr. Bennett and the Haitian were within walking distance of the cell and were able to neutralize Sylar immediately.

And if they were in the vicinity the whole time, that would mean that the Haitian's (or Bennett's) null powers weren't working on Sylar at the time.

Thrush 12-06-06 02:22 AM


Originally Posted by Tommy Ceez
I dont understand, is this show really that confusing?

Eden went into the Sylar tank unauthorized, at a time when Null-n-Void was NOT around to countermeasure Sylar...had she never entered, Sylar could have broke the glass himself, but that looked like a pretty secure room.

HAD N-n-V been there, her 'Voice' wouldnt have worked either.

So they throw the most dangerous sociopath in the country. Who has attained god knows how many super powers into a room whereby the only means of controlling him are the Haitian. And then let the Haitian run all over town, Leaving Sylar alone uncontrolled to do whatever he pleases?! That doesn't make any sense. He can figure out how the human brain and DNA works but he wouldn't be able to over come a security pad? It had to have been something about the room itself that hinders powers.

Don't forget Edens voice Didn't didn't work on Sylar in the room. But her voice worked on him previously. My guess is Sylar figured a way around whatever the room was doing to him, but it still worked and it hindered Eden's powers. Sylar was just waiting for the right opportunity to make his move, he may have even been waiting to take out HRG. But Eden showed up instead.

Doughboy 12-06-06 09:47 AM

Just out of curiosity, why is she called Mini Bilson? The two actresses are the same height and age.:)

Patrick G 12-06-06 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by Doughboy
Just out of curiosity, why is she called Mini Bilson? The two actresses are the same height and age.:)

Nope. Rachel is 5' 3.5" while mini-Bilson is a bit shorter at 5' 2.5".

Doughboy 12-06-06 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by Patrick G
Nope. Rachel is 5' 3.5" while mini-Bilson is a bit shorter at 5' 2.5".

I guess when you're that short, one inch makes all the difference in the world.

vegasbaby 12-06-06 10:11 AM

Enuf with the mini-bilson shit already. its annoying ...

Besides, isnt typing 'Eden' a lot faster!!?!??!

Nothing personal. :)

Jimmy James 12-06-06 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Spoiler:
Eden wouldn't have needed the gun to kill Sylar. She could've just told him to "drop dead."

Spoiler:
I wonder if Eden didn't use the gun because she actually thought he'd kill himself of his own volition without her suggestion. Maybe she expected the room to dampen all powers somehow.

Demontooth 12-06-06 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by vegasbaby
Enuf with the mini-bilson shit already. its annoying ...

Besides, isnt typing 'Eden' a lot faster!!?!??!

Nothing personal. :)

Agreed

Trelach24 12-06-06 12:33 PM

I really don't understand half the "clever" references to characters on this thread.

shoppingbear 12-06-06 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Spoiler:
Eden wouldn't have needed the gun to kill Sylar. She could've just told him to "drop dead."

Maybe, except
Spoiler:
is it possible for a person, even Sylar, to kill themselves without a weapon? I'm not sure that's possible, for anyone, whether they're being commanded to or whether they want to or not. I agree that she could have figured out some other less-dangerous way, perhaps poison or something
.

By the way, do we need to spoilerize speculation like this?


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