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fumanstan 12-05-06 12:27 PM

Never even knew about the comics. Those are pretty cool :up:

I bet we see some crap about Jessica breaking Nikki out of jail or something...

SmithsGuy 12-05-06 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Tommy Ceez
The outer room seemed to be MAX security

Spoiler:

In the comic, what is hitting Sylar - is the Dad's gun firing darts?


If the Haitian fellow erases memories, who is causing the "buzz" disrupting powers? The Cheerleader's Dad? Area-of-effect power surpression?

Ciao,
Smithsguy

Tommy Ceez 12-05-06 12:33 PM

The Haitian guy erases memories, and nullifies powers

shoppingbear 12-05-06 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by dpz301
so much for her ability to tell others what to do and that special room they had sylar in that couldn't be destroyed. i guess its better for her to be dead than to let sylar have the ability of mind control.

You know what, I didn't get that scene at all until I read this, but now it makes sense. I was trying to figure out why he'd shoot her, but then the last second they showed him, he looked surprised. Maybe she did shoot herself, to save her powers from being absorbed.

We couldn't figure out how he was suddenly able to break through that glass, but hadn't been able to before. Sure, the Haitian can inhibit hijm, but the Haitian isn't always there (he's out erasing others' memories :D ). I wonder if he had tried and tried and it just took him finally getting strong enough? Or if, as someone else mentioned, he just had to "figuure out how things worked" enough to defeat the security measures?


Originally Posted by Tommy Ceez
I dont understand, is this show really that confusing?

Eden went into the Sylar tank unauthorized, at a time when Null-n-Void was NOT around to countermeasure Sylar...had she never entered, Sylar could have broke the glass himself, but that looked like a pretty secure room.
HAD N-n-V been there, her 'Voice' wouldnt have worked either.

:lol: What, you work for the writers or something?

As someone else said, there WERE other times when the Haitian wasn't at the building where Sylar was being held (he was at the police station when they were questioning Claire, etc). Plus, there were times the Haitian was there when Claire's voice worked (like when Sylar was captured). Do you honestly think it was because Sylar could get through that thick glass but somehow couldn't get out of that "pretty secure room" until Eden came into the room??

shoppingbear 12-05-06 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by Goldberg74
The thing that got me was when the Haitain asked Claire to keep the secret, and that he didn't "wipe" her memory.

Who's side is he on? ;)

Yeah, had to wonder about that too. It seems like the Haitian was a follower, not a leader, that if anything Eden was. I wonder what the Haitian will do when he finds out Eden is dead.

Tommy Ceez 12-05-06 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by shoppingbear
As someone else said, there WERE other times when the Haitian wasn't at the building where Sylar was being held (he was at the police station when they were questioning Claire, etc). Plus, there were times the Haitian was there when Claire's voice worked (like when Sylar was captured). Do you honestly think it was because Sylar could get through that thick glass but somehow couldn't get out of that "pretty secure room" until Eden came into the room??

BUT, were there times with teh Hatian not there that someone PUNCHED THE CODE IN THE KEYPAD and unlocked the outer room?

The glass couldnt be that thick because Eden went through it without pulvirizing herself.

AS I SEE IT...the glassed off observation room is only there so people can watch and talk to Sylar ONLY WHEN the hatian is present and Sylar cant do anything about it....once teh Haitian is gone and Syalr has his powers back everyone must be outside the secure door with the system set.


When Sylar escapes, its the first time that the Haitian is not present AND someone has opened the security door and has just a thin pane of glass between Sylar and the outside world.

vegasbaby 12-05-06 01:21 PM

dumb chick. she shouldve stayed away

Draven 12-05-06 01:24 PM

Didn't Eden say something that confirmed she was shooting herself? I know this isn't right at all but I remember Sylar saying that he would take her power and Eden basically saying "no, you won't." I had no confusion that she shot herself.

I thought this was a great episode. Though I honestly don't think that Peter's "dream" of the explosion is what will actually happen. With Matt in his police uniform and Claire in her cheerleader outfit, DL, Micah and Niki together, Hiro and Ando standing off to the side together, it struck me as more of a stylized "group shot" than a premonition of where people will be standing, what the city will look like, etc.

I really liked the "mind wipe" twist in Claire's story. I hadn't even considered he would go after Zach and her brother. That just sucks for Claire - it looks like Peter is going to be her only hope.

And can you imagine the confrontation between Peter and the Haitian? Feedback loop to the nth degree. The Haitian's powers obviously work in his void field, so would Peter's power be negated by the Haitian or would he be able to absorb the Haitian's resistance to his own power? And my mind is blown.

RKillgore 12-05-06 01:42 PM

"Watchmaker, we're going to take you apart to find out what makes you...tick." I was expecting a Roger Daltrey YEEEAAAHH! there.

Since HRG said that Sylar repeatedly re-sequencing his DNA is adversely affecting him, I wonder if that's what's taking the toll on Peter.

Maybe the reason Claire's Mom is so flaky is that she's been mind-wiped so many times.

CPA-ESQ. 12-05-06 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by SmithsGuy
I vote that Hiro finds the sword in the Natural History museum or somewhere with a full-sized T-Rex.

I'll buy that for a dollar

the big train 12-05-06 03:50 PM

I'm glad Hiro finally got to meet Mystery Sock while he's alive.


How is it that all these people know the Haitian guy is Haitian when he never spoke and he apparently has no name?

shoppingbear 12-05-06 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by Tommy Ceez
BUT, were there times with teh Hatian not there that someone PUNCHED THE CODE IN THE KEYPAD and unlocked the outer room?

AS I SEE IT...the glassed off observation room is only there so people can watch and talk to Sylar ONLY WHEN the hatian is present and Sylar cant do anything about it....once teh Haitian is gone and Syalr has his powers back everyone must be outside the secure door with the system set.

When Sylar escapes, its the first time that the Haitian is not present AND someone has opened the security door and has just a thin pane of glass between Sylar and the outside world.

Doesn't make sense: Sylar's first power, his only innate power if you will, was to understand how things work and to fix them or make them work the way he wanted to. I can't see a coded door with a keypad keeping him in: there would have to have been a keypad on the inside of that locked door, also, so visitors could get out after talking to him. If that's true, I don't believe for a second that a security alarm system with a keypad would hold him in. :shrug:

Snowmaker 12-05-06 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by the big train
I'm glad Hiro finally got to meet Mystery Sock while he's alive.

That took me a second. :lol:

Xander 12-05-06 05:05 PM

I think HRG guy has the nulling power. That's why Peter was getting sick around him. And the Haitian just has the mind-wipe power. :)


Originally Posted by shoppingbear
Doesn't make sense: Sylar's first power, his only innate power if you will, was to understand how things work and to fix them or make them work the way he wanted to. I can't see a coded door with a keypad keeping him in: there would have to have been a keypad on the inside of that locked door, also, so visitors could get out after talking to him. If that's true, I don't believe for a second that a security alarm system with a keypad would hold him in. :shrug:

Just cause he knows how a keypad works doesn't mean he knows the combination. :P

Kdogg 12-05-06 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by Timber
Problem was that Null-n-Void wasn't at the paper company though out the the whole episode. He was at the jail twice. Why wouldn't Sylar have been able to escape at those times? Unless like someone said earlier that he's a pre-cog and knew Eden was coming for him?


It looks like Sylar has killed at least six people so that means seven powers. We know three (understanding of "things", super memory and tk) and possible third (freezing). Maybe one of the other powers allows him defeat the room.

Josh-da-man 12-05-06 05:32 PM

1. Upon a second viewing, it's obvious that Eden shot herself to keep Sylar from getting her brain/powers.

2. Earlier Eden made a comment that the Haitian couldn't speak. But later we see him speaking to Claire. Providing that Mr. Bennett doesn't know he's not mute, it appears that he has an agenda beyond Mr. Bennett's. Working for someone else? Working on his own?

3. He's been described as "The Haitian" for a while now on IMDB, and last night it was confirmed on the show.

4. Peter "seeing" Sylar in his cell made me wonder if Peter doesn't just "borrow" powers and might be somehow holding onto pieces of those he's absorbed.

5. Claire's mother being flaky... I know a few middle-class hausfraus like her so it might not be a side effect of numerous mind-wipes. Also, I have to wonder if Claire has discovered her powers on more than one occasion and the mind-wipe cycle has been going on for some time.

6. I'm not convinced that it's Peter who will blow up. He's put himself in other people's places in his dreams before, so it might be Atomic Ted or someone else who's going to go off.

U6C84 12-05-06 05:44 PM

Hayden hangs out with Paris Hilton?

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/4...nparty1xb9.jpg

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2...nparty2ko1.jpg

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7...nparty3dx8.jpg

Brent_MN 12-05-06 05:51 PM

that was over a year ago when she didn't have nothin...now she's been on the cover of magazines...soo hopefully this is over.

besides, we all know Britney and Paris are BFFs now, so it looks like Hayden is out the door. Good for her.

Those are funny pictures tho...Paris is somehow drawn to the pole. :lol:

shoppingbear 12-05-06 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
2. Earlier Eden made a comment that the Haitian couldn't speak. But later we see him speaking to Claire. Providing that Mr. Bennett doesn't know he's not mute, it appears that he has an agenda beyond Mr. Bennett's. Working for someone else? Working on his own?

:confused: I thought Eden made the comment (in the hallway, when arguing that Sylar should be killed) that the Haitian DOESN'T speak, not that he "couldn't"? I wonder if she and the Haitian were working together, or not?

Dang, I'm glad we saved this on the DVR, I'm going to have to watch this ep again! :)

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mrpayroll 12-05-06 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by U6C84
Hayden hangs out with Paris Hilton?



http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2...nparty2ko1.jpg

So, let's see, she was born on 8-21-89 and that picture was taken on 8-15-05, so that would make her 15 years old in a place that is 21 years and older. And she is smoking also? What a wonderfully hot young woman she is! -ohbfrank-

Chris

hardercore 12-05-06 06:40 PM

Heroes is great, and really entertaining, but there's no real drama to it. While I enjoyed this episode and most of the ones so far, the acting on this show isn't stellar and I'm thinking it will have a really great first season then dip off during subsequents seasons when the writers realise they can only take the superhero concept so far before it's just repeating everything ever committed to ink.

Anyone know how many episodes will air after the break?

Breakfast with Girls 12-05-06 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by Xander
I think HRG guy has the nulling power. That's why Peter was getting sick around him. And the Haitian just has the mind-wipe power. :)

I was considering this last night. The constant presence of the Haitian may just be a red herring. That's why HRG could be so confident around Sylar, Eve, etc. ("Your powers won't work here, Gabriel.") Otherwise, he's depending a great deal on the Haitian for everything he's trying to accomplish. I think he's an interesting character either way, though.

I also think it's pretty clear that he's not evil. He just can't be everywhere at once, so he's trying to keep his daughter as safe from danger as possible. The most effective way to do that is to limit the number of people who know about her power. Currently that's Claire, the Haitian, Peter, and himself.

I think in the coming seasons it's possible that he'll become the leader of the 'hero' group (Peter, Hiro, DL, etc.)—the one who commands everyone from his secret underground Paper Co. headquarters. And eventually and with much difficulty he'll allow Claire to play a role in that group.

Josh-da-man 12-05-06 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by hardercore
Heroes is great, and really entertaining, but there's no real drama to it. While I enjoyed this episode and most of the ones so far, the acting on this show isn't stellar and I'm thinking it will have a really great first season then dip off during subsequents seasons when the writers realise they can only take the superhero concept so far before it's just repeating everything ever committed to ink.

I sort of see where you're coming from about the show lacking drama. I think that's due to the fragmentary nature of it right now. Everyone is (mostly) acting seperately with their own things going on.

We'll really see what happens once everyone starts working together -- that's when the real meat of the story should start taking off. When characters actually meet up and work together I enjoy it (like Isaac, Ando, and Hiro or Peter and Claire) but it sort of loses something when they part ways.

"Buffy the Vampire Slayer" didn't really start to click until the second season and even then the formula wasn't perfected until season three.


Anyone know how many episodes will air after the break?
No idea how they're going to swing it. If they run another full block of eleven episodes starting in January, they'll have run though a full 22-episode season by the end of March which seems unlikely.

Maybe they'll run a solid block from Jan. to the end of February (sweeps month) and then start up again in late April and finish it off in May.

Jimmy James 12-05-06 08:45 PM

Has Claire been injured in HRG's presence? I don't think so.

IDrinkMolson 12-05-06 09:07 PM


Originally Posted by U6C84
Hayden hangs out with Paris Hilton?

Yeah, I've seen pictures of them when the show first started.


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