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ferret211 12-04-06 11:41 PM


Originally Posted by Brent_MN
there was no preview for January. I was watching it OTA. It showed what you saw.

I guess technically it wasn't a preview, more so a teaser for January but my point is that two different sources of the same broadcast showed two different things for some reason.

Does this mean all the new Heoes commercials are going to say, "Are you on the list?"

Either way, can't wait until January!

Lurker1999 12-04-06 11:49 PM

I heard the death was partially due to a contract dispute over money.

Rogue588 12-04-06 11:59 PM

ahhh...she thought she should be making maxi-Bilson $$$?

Brent_MN 12-05-06 12:02 AM


Originally Posted by Rogue588
ahhh...she thought she should be making maxi-Bilson $$$?

:clap:


ok and what idiot no-name like Nora Zehethner (sp?) would whine about money on a huge show like that...? I mean...sure she maybe shoulda got more or whatever, but it's still probably a lot. And it's only 1/3 thru it's first season. At least wait until S1 is over.

Astro 12-05-06 12:03 AM

After watching the mini bilson death again, yeah from the expression on Sylar's face it looks like she killed herself and he wasn't too happy about it.

vinhj 12-05-06 12:09 AM

Are Peter's dreams just supposed to be his 'thing,' or are the writers implying that he still has residual effects from being around the other heroes (from Isaac with the dream of Nathan in a tux at the beginning of the episode, and from Hiro with his ability to sort of jump through time) ??

Bronkster 12-05-06 12:28 AM


Originally Posted by Lurker1999
I heard the death was partially due to a contract dispute over money.

What? Ya mean she wasn't pulled over for drunk driving?!

Good episode. This is definitely one of the most 'fun' shows on.

MrX 12-05-06 12:28 AM


Originally Posted by ferret211
Does this mean all the new Heoes commercials are going to say, "Are you on the list?"

Well, now that Sylar's out and after Claire

Save the Cheerleader(again)...Save the World

fumanstan 12-05-06 01:01 AM

I was under the impression that Eden killed herself as well.

Shazam 12-05-06 01:07 AM

I'm thinking it was the little Indian kid implanting a vision into Peter.

Thrush 12-05-06 02:35 AM


Originally Posted by vinhj
Are Peter's dreams just supposed to be his 'thing,' or are the writers implying that he still has residual effects from being around the other heroes (from Isaac with the dream of Nathan in a tux at the beginning of the episode, and from Hiro with his ability to sort of jump through time) ??

I think Peter's lone innate ability is some small measure of precognition. Remember he drew the stick figure of him walking on air, on the roof top with his brother before it actually happed. Not to mention his numerous dreams of jumping off of the roof and flying. All of which happened before he met the painter.


Originally Posted by pinata242
At first I thought he just figured out how the room was inhibiting him and adjusted his frequency or whatever to allow his powers to work...

Then what he said to her about her knowing that shooting him wouldn't hurt him or work on him or something really confused me. There's much more to that Sylar dude that we know :D

Regarding Peter, I'm thinking Sylar actually takes the radioactive man's power and gets in close enough proximity to Peter to get him to absorb it temporarily but he can't control it. How Sylar gets out of there if that's true is beyond me.

I don't get how Sylar overcame whatever methods they were using to hinder his powers. Unless someone intentionally deactivated the countermeasures. Maybe the Haitian helped him? He seems to have his own agenda. I assume Sylar's ability to "figure out how things work" would also be subdued but who knows. If not maybe he did figure out how the countermeasures worked and figured out how to circumvent them.

I assume Bullets don't affect Sylar because could stop them before they hit him ala Neo. Or maybe he absorbed some other powers that they haven't yet revealed. So far we only know about the Telekinesis, ability to freeze things and the smart waitress' super brain.

A-aron 12-05-06 05:17 AM

maybe Sylar knew he could escape .. but was just waiting for the right moment to pounce. Eden's arrival gave him 2 things - freedom and another power.

I didn't catch a reaction on Sylar's face when the gun went off, but the fact that the gun moved very erratically - as if two people were fighting for control of it - makes me think that Sylar controlled the gun and had her shoot herself - not her just committing suicide.

With the father willing to wipe out his own family - I'm back to thinking he's a bad guy, and not someone good that just is using dastardly measures.

One more question - when Niki went to Vegas, didn't she meet with Linderman? There was a guy sitting at a desk above the casino floor that I thought she addressed as Mr. Linderman.

movieking 12-05-06 06:29 AM

To me, there was no question that she killed herself. It was great to see all of the Heroes all together before Peter exploded in the future.

Patman 12-05-06 06:59 AM

Actually Hiro had another funny bit when Isaak is trying to explain that he has to get high to paint the future, and Hiro suggest that Isaak try to "concentrate" and Hiro makes his super-constipated grimace when he's trying to move through time/space.

FantasticVSDoom 12-05-06 07:44 AM

Pretty sure "what-ever you want to call her" killed herself...Although I could see the whole Sylar getting her power and making her do it. I still think she did it to keep him from getting her power. I was actually thinking that Claire's father has some kind of "power" because Peter didnt seem to get sick until he brought her to see him. And I think Nathan is a baddie for some reason.

SuperBatMan 12-05-06 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by FantasticVSDoom
Pretty sure "what-ever you want to call her" killed herself...Although I could see the whole Sylar getting her power and making her do it. I still think she did it to keep him from getting her power. I was actually thinking that Claire's father has some kind of "power" because Peter didnt seem to get sick until he brought her to see him. And I think Nathan is a baddie for some reason.

I was thinking the same thing about HRG being around when Peter started coughing.

Onto Nathan, is it just me, or would he make a good Harvey Dent, look-wise anyways? Not so sure his acting could hold up in the next Batman movie though.

Patrick G 12-05-06 08:02 AM

How do we know that was Eden's blood and not Sylar's, meaning Sylar was the one who was shot in the head - perhaps not dead, but still shot in the head.

cdollaz 12-05-06 08:11 AM

Funniest thing in the season so far:
http://sl.schofield.home.att.net/sta...nd_Prosper.jpg

Tommy Ceez 12-05-06 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by Thrush
I don't get how Sylar overcame whatever methods they were using to hinder his powers. Unless someone intentionally deactivated the countermeasures. Maybe the Haitian helped him? He seems to have his own agenda. I assume Sylar's ability to "figure out how things work" would also be subdued but who knows. If not maybe he did figure out how the countermeasures worked and figured out how to circumvent them.

I dont understand, is this show really that confusing?

Eden went into the Sylar tank unauthorized, at a time when Null-n-Void was NOT around to countermeasure Sylar...had she never entered, Sylar could have broke the glass himself, but that looked like a pretty secure room.

HAD N-n-V been there, her 'Voice' wouldnt have worked either.

Foole 12-05-06 08:25 AM

Upon further review, in the Peter dream at the end, I noticed...

Spoiler:
Hiro looking at Peter and then when seeing what is happening to Peter, turns his head away from him as if in disappointment, as though he knew Peter would blow up the city (and he probably did) and Hiro couldn't do anything to stop it, just like with the death of Charlie.


It's the little details like this that turn a good show into a great one. :thumbsup:

Michael Corvin 12-05-06 08:30 AM

This is definitely one kick ass show. I've missed every thread due to just catching up this weekend so I'll keep it brief.

Abrahms, Lindlehoff, and Cuse should take cue from the creators of Heroes. They definitely are balancing secrets and answers a whole lot better than Lost. And this is coming from a diehard Lost fan that usually has no gripes about pacing. Problem now is, a new show has come along with a similar style that is providing much better pacing. The Lost boys need to step it up.

Sci-Li 12-05-06 08:30 AM

If you read the latest official graphic novel, it should clear up for everyone what happens to Eden and Sylar.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/dow..._novel_011.pdf

Tommy Ceez 12-05-06 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Patrick G
How do we know that was Eden's blood and not Sylar's, meaning Sylar was the one who was shot in the head - perhaps not dead, but still shot in the head.

Unless Sylar causes the laws of Physics to be violated, Dexter Morgan would tell you that the blood splatter was TOWORDS the glass which would mean Eden shot herself, or for some bizzare reason decided to shoot Sylar in the back of his head, facing foreward, and potentially killing herself.

What does Occams Razor tell us about these two scenarios?

RichC2 12-05-06 08:35 AM

The show is still a tad inconsistent to really be a great one. That said, I also thought the girl shot herself, preventing Sylar from getting her power.

And hell, during the dream, I actually thought for a second, before exploding, he had absorbed the power from his brother and just couldn't control it (I recall him having glowing hands.).

Foole 12-05-06 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Sci-Li
If you read the latest official graphic novel, it should clear up for everyone what happens to Eden and Sylar.

http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/dow..._novel_011.pdf


Wow, the best comic yet!

Spoiler:
Looks like they captured Sylar again after Eden's death? Interesting...


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