So its not ok for people to think that vegetarians are odd and eat crappy food? Regardless of whether it is true or not, I'd like to think people have the right to their opinions.

We get the Fox Movie Channel up here in St. Louis on basic Charter. No censoring, what-so-ever. It's GREAT! And they show most of their movies in widescreen. Whoop! (Oh.. wait... I'm a Billiken. What the hell do we say? Stupid Billiken.)

Whoa...discussion going out of control. Didn't mean to start any wars over vegetarians. Speaking just for myself, I didn't think anything negative about vegetarians because of the show (never have). But I think I can see WHY you would be aware about the possible negative connotations of it. No one likes to see a character that they may relate to or identify with, having any kinds of negative thoughts associated with them. If this story revolved around Dr. Abbott, I'd protest and say that not all doctors are pompous windbags.

I only meant to say that I don't think the writers were trying to make fun of vegetarians at all. I think they were trying to portray Linda as this well-traveled person who lives an alternative lifestyle which includes "alternative" foods. She only happens to be vegetarian.

If this subject is going to keep coming up, I'd like to add that I don't understand why vegetarians in general think their diet should be forced upon other people. Would a vegitarian think it was OK and just accept it if I brought over meat based dishes to their house? Would they not respond negatively as well? In fact, it is probably "politically correct" for people to just grin and bear it with vegitarians, but if the tables were turned, I'd be called a murderer or something of that nature, and the vegitarian would not touch my food at all. And don't forget that more animals die annually in combine accidents harvesting the food for vegitarians and those animals just go to waste, all in the name of vegitarianism. So, yeah, I think I have a justifiable reason to be offended by vegitarian dishes.

• Quoth calhoun07 •<HR SIZE=1>If this subject is going to keep coming up, I'd like to add that I don't understand why vegetarians in general think their diet should be forced upon other people. Would a vegitarian think it was OK and just accept it if I brought over meat based dishes to their house? Would they not respond negatively as well? In fact, it is probably "politically correct" for people to just grin and bear it with vegitarians, but if the tables were turned, I'd be called a murderer or something of that nature, and the vegitarian would not touch my food at all. And don't forget that more animals die annually in combine accidents harvesting the food for vegitarians and those animals just go to waste, all in the name of vegitarianism. So, yeah, I think I have a justifiable reason to be offended by vegitarian dishes. <HR SIZE=1>

Um ... OK. In the context of the show, though, she made her intentions very clear. He invited her to dinner, and she said no, because she had a very strict alternative diet. He pressed further saying she could bring whatever food she wanted. He knew the score; she wasn't forcing anything on him.

das

Well, vegetarianism is pretty big among certain teenagers nowadays, and I thought last season that they had established Ephram as being somewhat "alternative"-- he seemed like to like different bands and felt out of place in small-town Everwood. I could see Ephram maybe thinking that eating vegetarian is cool. (now. Bright on the other hand...)

I don't think shows need to go out of their way to portray vegetarianism at all, but I do ask that if they do portray it, it is not one-sided and overtly negative. That is all.

I realize we are in in the minority, and I wouldn't expect most shows to be any different--- but I do admire Everwood and think it is written very well. I guess I just expect a more thoughtful approach from them, than say from a lame sitcom.

Surely there has to be a *few* vegetarian TV writers in Hollywood.

Sorry my offhand comment/observation caused such a stir, but I am happy that an Everwood thread finally made 2 pages.

She wasn't? She would not eat dinner with anybody else unless they ate her diet. I see that as rather demanding and rude. It's like you order pizza for you and your roommate who's vegitarian, and you order a meat lover's pizza. That would be rude to my roommate who is a vegitarian. Compromise at the least and have both dishes that each other can like, and order the pizza with half and half. Or two pizzas. If I was asked by a vegitarian to come over for dinner and refused unless they would only eat my meat dishes, I would be treated as inconsiderate and rude, so why the double standard?

• Quoth calhoun07 •<HR SIZE=1>She wasn't? She would not eat dinner with anybody else unless they ate her diet. I see that as rather demanding and rude. It's like you order pizza for you and your roommate who's vegitarian, and you order a meat lover's pizza. That would be rude to my roommate who is a vegitarian. Compromise at the least and have both dishes that each other can like, and order the pizza with half and half. Or two pizzas. If I was asked by a vegitarian to come over for dinner and refused unless they would only eat my meat dishes, I would be treated as inconsiderate and rude, so why the double standard? <HR SIZE=1>

Double standard? May want to look up what that means. She didn't force them to eat her food. She never said that "she wouldn't eat dinner with anybody else unless they ate her diet." You made that up. She eats with the Abbots all the time, and they eat meat. What, so she's supposed to have Andy cook two meals just for her? That's rude. She politely declined, knowing it would be an inconvenience, and he insisted, offering to eat whatever she wanted in an attempt to learn about the foods she liked. That's her fault? Since this has upset you so, what should she have done differently? How could she have avoided this great offense? The only options I can come up with are:

1) Decline the invitation (she tried)
2) Cook food for everyone, multiple different dishes as a cultural experience (she did)
3) Cook food for herself and separate meaty food (which she wouldn't know how to cook) for others, making everyone feel uncomfortable
4) Cook food for herself and expect Andy to cook food for everyone else, making everyone feel uncomfortable
5) Expect Andy to cook two meals

I don't disagree that some vegetarians can be annoyingly holy about their life choice and derail the decisions of a group in selfish ways, but that's hardly what happened here. Honestly, what other option is there that would spare everyone this great injustice?

das

das,

After reading this thread, I think I'll need some of the Zoloft that Lanie's been taking...

Not that I love the arguing, but anything that keeps the Everwood thread bumped and gets people interested in the show is in my book.

I thought this was silly as well. It's not so much that she likes the exotic dishes, or that she wanted them to try them, but that she just sort of sprung the extremes on them. It's such a culture clash of sorts, and I think a character with the intelligence of Linda would have been sensible enough to bring "training wheels" foods as a test for a group of vegetarian virgins before going full-out with the millet.

• Quoth rayw69 •<HR SIZE=1>Not that I love the arguing, but anything that keeps the Everwood thread bumped and gets people interested in the show is in my book. <HR SIZE=1>

It's not arguing ... it's a "discussion."

das

• Quoth DRG •<HR SIZE=1>I thought this was silly as well. It's not so much that she likes the exotic dishes, or that she wanted them to try them, but that she just sort of sprung the extremes on them. It's such a culture clash of sorts, and I think a character with the intelligence of Linda would have been sensible enough to bring "training wheels" foods as a test for a group of vegetarian virgins before going full-out with the millet. <HR SIZE=1>

At least with Harold, we've found that Linda kind of enjoys springing the extremes on people. Recall her first day at the office. She's very comfortable with her world and doesn't exactly tread lightly around others. It may not be how you or I would act, but it's not really out of character.

das

If I recall correctly, she brought over some baked potato/spinach wrap thing for the less adventurous.

*Kak*

... right das?

Tonight's episode had more Dr Abbot laugh-out-loud moments than I've even seen before. The game of charades was funny...

And poor Amy, things just aren't going right for her... but I like the bond that her and her brother are having.

Oh, and one more thing... props go out to Ephram for finally taking a chance on Madison... cue the Bon Jovi song... 'Shot doooowwwwwn... in a blaze of glooory!'

Final thought... how many weeks until Andy and Harold's sister - ahem - get in on?

I haven't seen the episode yet (gotta track my MNF wagers), but you won't hear any argument from me. Beautiful television show. It somewhat saddens me that so many people are missing out.

das

I've seen every episode since the pilot, so I agree! Great show..

Such a good episode.

The ending was my favorite, with one of the greatest songs ever, Etta James' "At Last". With Amy asking Ephram to dance. Awww...

I did find Madison's "I Own This Bitch" comment hilarious. I need to get a t-shirt with that on it.

I've learned that to cure depression, all one has to do is buy a Kia Sorento. Wow, the car works wonders! I should go out and buy one now!

Kudos for continuity and bringing back the Preacher. It's kind of rare to have a storyline continue and conclude like that. Very good.

It was nice to see Ephram take a chance on Madison, even if he did get shot down w/ the "older girl" argument, though she did it nicely. I hope Madison stays on the show for awhile.

It's weird - Amy and Bright are getting along and dispensing advice to one another, and Bright and Ephram are buddies now.

It was also a nice touch at the end how they hinted at Delia's crush on Bright again.

I'm really getting to like Bright. I hope he gets a love interest soon. I was at his comment about Ephram: "Maybe I should date him."

Bright's finest moment was admitting that he didn't get the "what gear are you in?" joke at first.

Not too thrilled about the overpromotion of 'Episode 20', but if it gets people to tune in, I guess it's OK.

There's not much to say about this episode other than pointing out that it was wonderful, as usual. With a rough start to this year's television season, thank God for this show.

das

Great episode. I was laughing so hard when they showed that whole line of little girls waiting to dance with Bright at the wedding, and Delia trying to monopolize him.

I was a litted miffed with the scene with Ephram and Madison where he kissed her and she rejected him (albiet pretty gently). When they showed the preview for this episode a week ago, they implied that Ephram and Madison would actually hook up, which made me happy for the guy. I guess I fell for their misdirection technique again... Oh well.

I only really started watching this show midway through last season, but every week, I look forward to it, and every week it doesn't dissapoint. An absolutely great show! The writing is just amazing: particularly the priest's speech to Dr. Brown before the wedding ceremony about God and Faith, and Andy's speech at the wedding. The writers for this show are top notch!

This really is the best family drama to come along since Party of Five. And really, these 2 are the only 2 I can think of that I can stand to watch. Just goes to show, a well-written family drama CAN be done! Kudos to the writers and I hope they can keep this up.