worst episode ever...

I normally dislike filler episodes, but -

Filler ep. + CHARLIE ep.(my most hated character next to Claire) = WORST EP EVER!!!

and I am SOOO relieved that everyone unanimously agrees that this episode absolutely sucked.

'zat so?

Well, I guess i'm such a nonconformist that I'm not going to conform with the rest of you.

When Locke was turning back towards Charlie he started to move towards the baby, thus he fully deserved a KO, too bad all he got was a mild beat down-he wasn't down for the count. I've replayed that spot on the XviD several times and you can see it. They should have called Anna over to build a new pit to the the little criminal.

Anna was a CA cop, her convo with Jack about bone'n that pink tail was rather tame. As for Libby, I'm sure they'll make it that she knew Jabba from his loony days.

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Nice to see that Alias wasn't the only show JJ Abrams just stopped coming up with ideas for.

Locke made me incredibly angry this episode. I still like Charlie, and I had no problem believing the actions he took this episode. Locke's quick judgments and short temper had me practically screaming at the television - something I don't do very often. In my opinion, this is the first time Locke's downhill slide has become incredibly obvious - he's letting the power go to his head, and I can see him becoming almost a "villain" in the group.

Not a great episode, but I still liked it. And I think it'll be quite important in the future.

And even worse, we're almost guaranteed another Charlie flashback ep. Will be sure to skip that one next time.

This obviously wasn't the best episode, but I don't think it "sucked." I also wonder how some of you can continue watching shows after getting so seemingly worked up over an episode you feels let you down. Then again this happens in almost every thread for almost every show, so whatever.

I don't get all of this Charlie love.

The guy's acting like a fucking loon.

He snatches Claire's baby and heads for the ocean. Twice.

He sets a fire that threatens the camp.

He's been hiding heroin and lying about it.

Locke shouldn't have been the only beating the fucking hobbit. Everyone on the goddamned beach should've at least gotten a kick in.

Josh-da-man is correct.

BTW, I've hated Charlie since the beginning. Since the time he pulled that incredibly stupid peanut butter act, to when he shot Ethan, to when he acts like hes the father to Claire's baby, to when he acted like an annoying little prick demanding peanut butter from Hurley, and then this episode.

I feel silly for hating a TV character this much, but god hes annoying.

I'm just glad that now others are finally realizing this. Before I would see posts where ppl commented on how "cute" he is.

I disagree, Charlie has always been hotheaded, the fire made perfect sense. From the peanut butter thing, to being a douche when Rosseau (sp?) was going all nuts, to shooting Ethan in S1.. It's all him.

He usually annoys me, but again, didn't tonight.

pssst...he's a SMACK ADDICT.

I didn't mind the episode. I wasn't crazy about the fact that you have a priest who seems very knowledgable about his faith, but when it comes down to it he basically says that you just need to be baptized and poof, you go to heaven. I wasn't looking for a real preachy rant, but c'mon, that was a little much.

I also think (hope) that the suck episodes give information that will make the good episodes great.

Completely unfounded and unspoilerized speculation ahead:

I have conflicted feelings about this episode, and I don't think I'll really be able to make up my mind until I see how it fits into the grander scheme of things.

I'm hoping that this episode set some important plot developments into motion. You have Charlie's religious visions, plus his receiving the warming that Claire's baby must be protected. I suspect he misinterpreted that warning to mean the baby needed to be baptized, or maybe the baptism really does offer some sort of protection to a baby on this wacked-out island.

There's also the possibility that this sets Charlie up as some sort of Judas to the main group, which can't help but ostracize Charlie at this point. Once you've kidnapped an infant and apparently (from their point of view) tried to drown it, not to mention nearly burn down the camp with everyone in it, you aren't a welcome neighbor.

Or, they might just focus on other characters for a few weeks until we've forgotten how serious Charlie's acts were, then they welcome him back after he says he's sorry again. In that case, then yeah, this episode sucked.

Based on how the show's treated Ana Lucia, it's a safe bet this is the route they'll take.

Speaking on the religious debate, it's a safe bet that Eko wasn't telling Claire actual doctrine...instead he was telling her what she needed to hear.

Speaking of Claire, I saw a preview for the new The Hills Have Eyes movie. She's in that with an American accent, it took me aback for a second.

I didn't think that the episode was awful. It was merely "meh".

I didn't buy the whole Locke beatdown on Charlie. Locke seems like a man with no anger. It was almost like he felt that Charlie deserved to be beaten for what he did, and since no one else was going to do it, he would. He didn't do it out of emotion or anger.

Not really. Everyone keeps saying his particular faith doesn't matter, but it does. Prior to 1965 this was the exact belief by the Catholic faith regarding babies. They were baptized within days of birth to guarantee safe passage to heaven should anything happen to them. That changed after Vatican II(in 65), but it is not unusual for people to cling to older beliefs.

Or maybe it is another clue as to the different times on the island, but the plane & guns looked pretty modern in Eko's flashback. Maybe since he studied becoming a priest on his own, he came away with a mix of beliefs between the pre & post Vatican times.

The above is why I have been slowly changing my belief that the core of this show is not faith, or redemption, etc. It's TIME.

Take for example the guns of the Others. They look WWII issue. The hatch looks 1980's issue (well except for the brand new W/D). Everything seems to be connected to time.

I have no real theories on it, just a gut feeling. I guess we'll all see.

I don't think the majority of people in here understand the addiction part of this. Charlie did not get help for his addiction. He wasn't taken to a nice facility and cared for by a qualified staff to hopefully quit using Heroin forever. He may have made the choice to quit, but afterwards, he had no way to get more. This made it much easier for him. Once he discovered that he could have more, all his demons came back. He couldn't bring himself to destroy it all. Again, its an addiction that he obviously has not kicked totally. I thought the episode was one of the most meaningful in terms of understanding Charlie. His backstory made me understand that his entire adult life was spent caring for a brother that was changed by drugs. He finally felt like he had a caring relationship with Claire and others but once again, it was ruined by the drugs.

I can't understand why people constantly want action and answers. This isn't a two hour movie. The character development on this show is what makes it great in my mind. To be honest, I'm kinda dreading knowing more about the island because I think its going to get so unbelieveable that it ruins the show. I'm not a fan of sci-fi.

I just love how everyone is hating the Charlie character and some are blaming the writers. Maybe they want us to hate him?

And J.J Abrahm has not run out of ideas. First of all he's working on MI3 right now, so he's hardly even working on the show. Secondly, did you ever hear of saving stuff for later? When this season finishes, I think you'll see why they did some of these things. But I do love how people blame everything on J.J when he's not even concerned with the show at this time.

I was baptized as a Catholic in 1961, so it was probably under this belief.

Chris

But you see, therein lies the problem. He's doing the same thing with 'Lost' that he did with 'Alias'. He creates this fantastic show, is the main creative person behind the stories and then goes and does something else, leaving his creation to other peoples imagination. Why can't he stick with the things that he starts, especially when they both seem to be a labor of love?

Chris

Agreed. There seems to be this huge backlash starting here, which makes no sense. I think what happened is a TON of people watched the first season via DVD and just have no patience watching this show week to week. Last season there was a TON of episodes which were just character shows and did not deal with the mythology of the island. We've only had a couple this year and people are up in arms?? I don't get it.

Like BDLOU said above...this isn't a 2 hour movie.

~Jason

Not sure if I was convinced when EKO told Charlie that he was marking those trees because he liked them. Does anyone have any ideas as to what he was doing, or why? Or does it seem okay to people that he was marking the trees because he liked them? Any comments?

David E. Kelly, Bochco, and all the popular one all do it. Why should there be a double standard for Abrams?