Ahhh. I didn't connect the fact that the trees were in the area of the burning. Got it now.

I thought this was the worst episode of Lost that I have seen. I am in the minority when I say I like Charlie --- I really liked the character. Him along with Hugo where like the little kid's table, people pretty involved with the main plot but not really able to make any decisions that the "big people" were making.

My problem is that Locke would not be the kind of person to lie to Claire. That's just abysmal writing. Further, Charlie is not the kind of person to go batshit insane. Nor does Locke punch Charlie.

The whole episode was extremely forced. It's too bad that the only way they could set off this chain of events is by writing it very poorly.

Or she knows he is worth millions of dollars.

Found the British promo I was asking about earlier.

http://www.davidlachapelle.com/videos/lost_music.html

It's vertically stretched but almost any program can fix that.

Anyone else think the writers are using Hurley as a representation of a stereotypical "fanboy" character?

This episode especially. He was the first person to refer to the "Tailies" (IIRC).
He was also around when Libby made the comment about the currency of the Washer and Dryer.

These were two points I've mainly seen discussed on Lost forums/discussions.

Also, his image is what most people would stereotypically associate with "internet nerd" (overweight, slovenly, etc.)

Just a thought.

--rick

Maybe Hurley is actually an autistic kid, and this is all something he's dreaming while looking at a snow globe!

Also, he's in bed with Suzanne Pleshette, who just got out of the shower with Patrick Duffy. Also, Hurley never won the lottery, it's just something he made up after John Goodman died.

This thread is hilarious.

Has anyone ever watched episodic television before? Not on DVD, but week to week? Because there are a lot of people in here who seem to think that this episode was "filler," when I'll wager that this was probably THE turning point for Charlie's character, and things are about to get interesting.

To address the main concern:

Locke's beat down of Charlie

Does everyone forget that Locke already spent a great deal of time helping Charlie with his addiction? That Locke gave Charlie multiple opportunities to "come clean" with him, to ask for help and to explain what's going on? And that Charlie lied multiple times, and only told the truth when caught? On top of that, he steals a 1-ish month old infant out of his crib, in the dead of night, TWICE, AND TAKES HIM TO THE OCEAN and once after deliberately setting a fire to distract the camp. Charlie deserved not only a beat down, but a couple of kicks, some spit and expulsion from the camp. In fact, that's what I thought Jack was going to do the next morning.

There is NO PLACE in the camp for a lying, weasly HEROIN ADDICT who likes to take babies for walks on the beach at night. It was completely within Locke's character to smack the shit out of him. As he said, Charlie lost the right to be believed.

Wasn't it Locke who lied about Boones death? Wasn't it Locke who saw whatever was on the island knocking trees down and did not tell anyone what he saw? Wasn't it Locke who kept the hatch a secret from the rest of the survivors?
My point is that Locke should not be the one who judges wether or not others have lost or earned the right to be trusted.

Locke's the biggest liar on the island.

This is wrong thinking. In Locke's mind, HE is the ONLY one who "understands" what is really going on. That being the case, the others must prove themselves worthy before he reveals those things.

He's not a liar, if you think about it like above.

Speaking of liars, in a ABC press release prior to the broadcast of S2(therefore not spoilerized), Libby is described as "clinical psychologist AND COMPULSIVE LIAR".

Might explain a few things...

Yeah, he's a cult leader wannabe.

I truly believe that if Locke thought the rest of the islanders were in danger, he'd tell them what they needed to know.

Charlie is a danger to the whole camp, is unable to be trusted near Aaron and continually lies about his drug habits.

I'd have smacked him too.

I have to say I was really looking forward to seeing what happened when the numbers weren't entered. However, it appears that was only a rumor.

The episode wasn't horrible, but I do hope that Charlie gets ostracized by the group. I don't want him to vanish completely like Desmond though.

Biggest.Island.Ever.

Actually, I'd would LOVE to see him ostracized and fall in with the Others, and be used as a pawn against the Losties.

I think this is a solid possibility. With Sawyer being a big sofy now, Jack & Locke basically on good terms, and the group coming to grips with Ana Lucia there is a lack of conflict among the survivors. Without Michael there, Charlie is the only conflict in the group.

Probably doesn't mean much since it was a dream, but remember when the woman drowned and Boone was struggling too? Wasn't it Charlie whining he can't swim, someone's out there?
I thought it odd that in his dream he could swim like a fish.

Just heard this on the Preston and Steve podcast from last week, one listener said that the painting when Charlie is walking downstairs to go get his Christmas presents in the flashback, John the Baptist looks similarly like John Locke (only with hair). I'm looking at it, and I see the resemblance. It's in the first 5 minutes.
EDIT: Found a link:
http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x12/baptism.jpg
Also, another interesting observation:
Also, there were polar bears in the crib during filming of the Driveshaft commercial.

Cool, thanks, hadn't noticed any of that. I agree I don't think any of it means anything, neat anyways.

Can't you clean a window that is completely clean anyway. It's the gesture that matters not whether the gesture actually was functional...

So you're saying that I could 'clean the window of all dirt' even if it has no dirt on it?

Chris

Right...you could put some Windex on it and wipe it off, but it wouldn't actually be cleaning it .

Interesting choice for a rerun to air tonight. This is the first time (I think) that they've gone back to S1 for a rerun. Must be some significance for next week?

Wasn't the Doctor the same guy in the film?