It seems to be pretty rare for a brand-new show I enjoy to actually get good ratings. Normally, the ones I like are on the chopping block right out of the gate.

OK a question. They said that last night there were 47 survivors (46 by the end). Where are they? While I don't want to list them to count, there can't be more than 20 that are ever shown. Even during their funeral roast, it was the same 20 people, noone not seen before. Did they banish the other 27 to around the cornor of the island?

Why say there were that many if they are never going to show them. Killing off one of them sure isn't going to get us to care since we have no idea who they are. Even if they did have a few around (just off camera) to kill once in awhile, saying that there are 27 of these people are always off camera & never mingle with the shown people is just stupid. Probably my only gripe about the show.

Aren't they Japanese? Yes, I do think they or one of them can.


So - they landed on the Genesis Planet and Jack's dad is resurrected Spock-style.

Last night, Hurley (incorrectly) said they were Japanese, but Sayed (correctly) noted that they were Korean.

It sounded like they were speaking Japanese.

They're speaking Korean. Somebody even posted a translation of some of the un-subtitled dialogue in one of the other threads.

Because its hard enough to fit the stories for the 13 main characters at this point. He we're like 5 episodes in and some people are just now getting all the names straight. Imagine if they had another 20 names to learn. But having a bunch of others on the island gives them options in the future.

Not me that bitch would be on her own.

I think JJ abrams said it best..

The shakey-cam was way too distracting for me. I know what they were trying to do. But I almost expected someone to announce they had thrown the map into the ocean!

I was really mad at the 44 people standing on the beach watching someone drowning while one person goes out to save him. Why didn't at least one other person go out there, are you telling me only three people on the whole island can swim, and two of them poorly at that? And couldn't Jack have called for more help?

The girl that drowned - had we met her in the show? Or was she a "red shirt?"

No T-Rex this week?

I have no idea about Jack's dad's body. Originally I thought he had finally agreed to bring the casket without the body. But he did seem to think the body was in the casket, just before he freaked out on it. Then I thought maybe the airport took the body out without him knowing and shipped the casket empty. But, that doesn't make sense either. So, I'm going to go with my original thought - he knew the casket was empty, and he was just coming out of his hallunications when he saw it again.

The Korean couple are Korean. I thought Hurley said they were Chinese - a joke about how all us dumb American's can't seem to tell different Asian cultures apart.

Something else that's starting to annoy me - nearly everybody is completely Lost without Jack. "What do we do? Jack, tell us what to do. We can't do anything without Jack telling us what to do!" I can't believe they are all that incompotent. "Jack's gone into the forest and hasn't come back yet!"

Thankfully, Jack comes back and always reminds everyone (the audience included) "We've been on the island six days..."

But why have 27 more? How about just 7 more to kill off. The only thing we got out of that girl drowning last night is it gave Jack a reason to reveal why he doesn't want to lead. Since this series seems totally planned out, they know how many will die and could have these people in the background (even if they never speak or get close to the camera).

As it is, the deaths of the only-seen-to-die people has no effect because we don't know anything about them. We would care if the kid, the "dude" guy or even the redneck guy dies because we have gotten to know them and it gives meaning to their fates. Can you say you are really broken up about the people that died on the plane? Probably not since you don't know anything about them.

The show is 5 episodes long. You cant get show too many of the survivors, otherwise people are going to want to see more of them. When you have a large cast like this, you need to introduce them slowly. Once you have the main characters fleshed out, you can slowly start showing the others. Too show all of them..but then only focus on 5-8 of them, would be kind of wierd.

Where does the concept of Jack being an alcoholic come from? I know he drank heavily on the flight, but isn't that understandable given his situation?

And I too am curious to find out what Jack "did" to his father. Maybe something along the lines of going against his wishes?


As for the episode itself, I thought it was rather good. We're seeing even more character development, and the continued amazing performance of Terry O'Quinn.

I think people understand, that Lost has SPOILED us totally. the last few episodes have been suspenseful and action packed. We get a episode, that moved kind of slowly..and its a weak episode.

weak episode of lost > 98% of most programming.

Also the weak episode served a purpose, it showed us flashbacks of the main character..of what his 'issue' is, what his problems are, how he is going to find himself.

Like locke said..everyone was on that plane for a reason..had a fantasy island feel to it for a second.

Jack's father is a alcholoic...I think that might tie in..with Jack being one..

I think Jack refused to operate on his father.

I think his father had some fatal disease or cancer, his father wanted Jack to operate.... but Jack refused - because it was too risky. The father told Jack as a boy that he has to seperate himself from the situation and not let emotions get involved...because this was his father he felt emotionaly attached and could not help his father.

The father knowing he was going to die left for Australia to drink and drug himself to death (Why Australia? that we will have to find out)

Good stuff.

As indicated by Groucho previously, the couple were speaking Korean.

The reason why they might be some confusion is that the Husband's Korean is not as good as the wife. I believe that Daniel Dae Kim was raised in the US and Korean was not his first language. However, Yun Jin Kim Korean is impeccable. Nice to see the producers casting actual Korean people for the "Asian" part.

I wouldn't nitpick about not seeing the other 27 people or whatever. There were 400-some people on the original Starship Enterprise, and how many did you ever see over the course of 3 seasons.

Of course, like Vic Tayback (Kracko) said, 'I only saw 3 guys up 'dere. How do we know there ain't no more?!'

True. But the Starship Enterprise didn't just crash on an island. On the starship, they have duty stations and cabins to go to. No such thing here, I think everbody should be seen on the beach.

Not everyone is going to be on the beach at the same time. Regardless, it is pretty ridiculous to nitpick it. We know the reason - the budget - only so much money for speaking parts and extras, etc. Leave it at that.

I didn't realize Lost wasn't already a full season show, but this press release says they've ordered a full seasons worth!

I made a list of the characters we know (I don't know most of their names)

Jack
Kate
Hobbit guy
Sayed
Korean Husband
Korean Wife
Pregnat Woman
Locke
Kid
Kid' Father
Kid's dog
Redneck
"Dude" guy
Brother
Sister
Older Black Woman

So unless I forgot someone, we have 15 people and a dog. While Jack and Kate are the main stars, I think they have done a good job with developing the others so we know something about them. The older woman is probably the least developed so far (only been in a couple of scenes - one just about her)

With hearing those monster noises, I don't think many people would be straying from the beach. Too bad they didn't reair the pilot episode. They might have shown some of these others then.

I see the extras on the beach all the time. they just never say anything. Poor mutes.

Thank god they didn't cast Mickey Rooney.

Wow. Sounds like you hit the nail on the head.

As for why Australia, the only thing I could think of is that he wanted to separate himself from Jack as far as possible.

There's obviously much more behind it, when/whether or not we'll find out we'll see in the future.