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Old 10-21-04 | 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by shoppingbear
what about all those prescription bottles Jack's Dad left in the hotel room in Sydney? There were several, a lot more than a healthy man that age would have.
Im healthy and younger than him and my bedroom always looks like that.
Old 10-21-04 | 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by Cusm
And the guy the Dr rescued was a life gaurd and he got in trouble. I was surprised no one grabbed a seat from the plane, they are a flotation device after all.
That's true but they'd have to get some string so that it could drag behind them as they swim. Otherwise, it would take forever to swim out to the lady.

I could believe that since the lady is probably dehydrated and pretty malnourished at this point, she may have had enough energy at that point
Old 10-21-04 | 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by DodgingCars
My nitpick. On a plane from Austrailia -- only one survivor has an Aussie accent.
How many people besides that short list of regular characters have we heard speak, though?
Old 10-21-04 | 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by Mattrk
Watership Down is a Richard Adams book about a group of rabbits whose warren is destroyed by a development plan. The rabbits hit the road to find a new place to live and encounter dangers to their tight-knit group. One of the dangers is another rabbit warren run by a totalitarian rabbit.

Perhaps there's another reason why the book's in there, but the overall story is sufficient for me.
So... The monster is a giant killer totalitarian rabbit?
Old 10-21-04 | 06:37 PM
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Re: Re: watership down

Originally posted by superdeluxe
I think JJ abrams said it best..

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Nothing is there by chance..
so far, I'm the only one that picked this up. go read the synopsis and I think this gives some ideas of where the show is going.

http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/watership/summary.html
Old 10-21-04 | 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by CPA-ESQ.
The father knowing he was going to die left for Australia to drink and drug himself to death (Why Australia? that we will have to find out)
Drinking yourself to death in Australia is easier because you blend in.
Old 10-21-04 | 07:21 PM
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I think we'll see alot more of the 'extras' now after what Jack said about they'd been there 6 days and there's 47 of us and I never talked to her never said a word to her.

Then he goes on to say I thought I could bring him back and still have time, he is talking about the guy he pulled from the water but he also seems to be talking about his fathers corpse and he says I didn't try I decided not to go after her then he sees his fathers ghost again. so to me it seems he now feels he didn't try hard enough to get them to put his fathers corpse on the plane and he feels he gave up.
Old 10-21-04 | 07:50 PM
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Just some guesses...

Originally posted by mrpayroll

What was with most of the people standing on the beach while they let Jack do all the work?
Maybe they were wishing someone would save the person drowning?

Originally posted by Mattrk
The rabbits hit the road to find a new place to live and encounter dangers to their tight-knit group. One of the dangers is another rabbit warren run by a totalitarian rabbit.
I don't think this is far off the mark of what could happen in the series. A group lives on the beach and another in the caves, so I could see it going all Lord of the Flies, but I hope they don't do something so silly.
Old 10-21-04 | 07:55 PM
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OK for anyone who thinks his father's body was NOT on the plane, answer me this: why was the coffin on the plane?? Why would he ship the coffin without the body? The coffin would stay where the body was, otherwise what would they later ship the body in?? They don't ship dead bodies in igloo coolers, Jack would have to have a coffin to ship the body in, which means if Jack bought a coffin, and the airline later said "you can't take your father's body on this flight", he would LEAVE the coffin with the body to be shipped later. He wouldn't go, "Oh in that case, can you ship the empty coffin, 'cause it's already paid for...".

Also, it's supposed to be a US carrier, and there are regulations about human remains; they don't "lie about shipping a body" or "lose the body" or any of the other things being tossed about. C'mon, the body MUST have been in the coffin.

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Old 10-21-04 | 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by shoppingbear
Jack looked REALLY shocked that there was no body in the casket (and there's no reason he would've paid to ship an empty casket, it costs a huge amount and he doesn't need the casket, he needs his Dad's remains), and when he flipped out and smashed it, I took it like he was flipping out 1)at his Dad, for whatever had happened or for dying and 2)at the circumstances, that his father's body was gone and maybe "roaming" the island.
While he looked kind of shocked at the empty coffin, he seemed pretty relaxed when he was talking to Kate later.

"So where were you today, Jack?"
"I had some things I needed to take care of."

That's it. I think he even had a smile on his face. It feels inconsistent with him not finding his dad's body where it should have been.
Old 10-21-04 | 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by joltaddict
Im healthy and younger than him and my bedroom always looks like that.
Not talking about your housekeeping habits, I'm talking about the number of prescription bottles. Most people don't travel with that many.
Old 10-21-04 | 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by Static Cling
That's it. I think he even had a smile on his face. It feels inconsistent with him not finding his dad's body where it should have been.
Not that inconsistent, if the peace he shows is because he found peace about his father's death. He might've just rationalized away the missing body, or he might've decided to hide that information. Given the amount of things that have been happening (plane crash, monster, the mysterious french message that they seem to be hiding from some of the survivors...), they all seem "too peaceful" in some ways. Like they're on a camping trip. I think it's shock, or post-traumatic stress, like he and Locke talked about when he first saw his Dad.

In any case, it doesn't negate any of my arguments: why would he ship an empty coffin? Makes no sense, even less sense than the apparent inconsistency you point out above. We'll just have to wait and see.
Old 10-21-04 | 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by shoppingbear
I'm talking about the number of prescription bottles. Most people don't travel with that many.
What about people who travel and dont plan on comming back? They would probably bring everything with them.
Old 10-21-04 | 08:52 PM
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How do we even know that was his fathers coffin? There could just have been an empty coffin on the plane and Jack seeing it upset him because he couldn't get his fathers on the plane and he had to fly back and his fathers coffin would have to be sent on a cargo plane or something along those lines.
Old 10-21-04 | 09:15 PM
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Don't want to read 5 pages (the way it's set up for me anyway) worth of posts. Just wanted to ask something:

[Chandler]Could Evangeline Lilly be any hotter?[/Chandler]
Old 10-21-04 | 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by shoppingbear
Not that inconsistent, if the peace he shows is because he found peace about his father's death. He might've just rationalized away the missing body, or he might've decided to hide that information.
I'm not seeing how his father's body being missing could bring him peace. And you saw how good he was hiding at his loopiness earlier in the episode... he looked frantic from the time he rescued Boone up until he destroyed the coffin, pretty much.
In any case, it doesn't negate any of my arguments: why would he ship an empty coffin? Makes no sense, even less sense than the apparent inconsistency you point out above. We'll just have to wait and see.
He'd ship it so that he could bring it back to the States, get with his mother and the rest of his family, and have a funeral service and do all the things you do at a funeral that hopefully bring you closure.
Old 10-21-04 | 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by shoppingbear

Also, it's supposed to be a US carrier, and there are regulations about human remains; they don't "lie about shipping a body" or "lose the body" or any of the other things being tossed about. C'mon, the body MUST have been in the coffin.
Are these the same regulations that would have had to have been broken to even get the body on the plane? The lady with the airline said that the documentation wasn't in place to have the body on the plane.
Old 10-22-04 | 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by shoppingbear
Not talking about your housekeeping habits, I'm talking about the number of prescription bottles. Most people don't travel with that many.
So was I.
Old 10-22-04 | 01:01 AM
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It's obvious that bad guy stole the body and he's going to sell it back to Jack.


DUH!
Old 10-22-04 | 01:35 AM
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If any of this was mentioned in a previous LOST thread just disregard, but here's a few things I'm thinking:

The Korean couple is NEWLY Married and more likely than not it was an arranged marriage. There are a lot of clues that make me think this.

They showed 3 new people when Jack talked about being 6 days in for about 2 to 3 seconds...Actually showed a good view of them..not the usual flash by blur...I expect to see them in upcoming episodes.

Bruce
Old 10-22-04 | 05:30 AM
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Don't want to read 5 pages (the way it's set up for me anyway) worth of posts. Just wanted to ask something:

[Chandler]Could Evangeline Lilly be any hotter?[/Chandler]
Only being nude and soapy could improve her.
Old 10-22-04 | 06:37 AM
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Re: Re: Re: watership down

Originally posted by DocBrass
so far, I'm the only one that picked this up. go read the synopsis and I think this gives some ideas of where the show is going.

http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/watership/summary.html
Thanks for the link to "Watership Down". I also believe that this is the direction the show will go.

In an interview at AICN, one of the co-creators Damon Lindelof indicated that one of the influence for the show was
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"Stand" by Stephen King
The book is also similar to "Watership Down" in which two groups of people end up confronting one another.

Beware of spoilers but here is the link of the interview with him (This probably was posted before but for those who hasn't seen them, here it is)

Interview link
Old 10-22-04 | 07:42 AM
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That is a big influence. Lofty as well.
Old 10-22-04 | 08:06 AM
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This is a heads up for next week episode:

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Much of the show will be in Korean since it supposed to deal with the backstory of the Korean couple. I'm glad that I speak the language and won't need the subtitles to understand them.
Old 10-22-04 | 08:24 AM
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I also don't see this, I don't think how much he drank after his father died means he was an alcoholic.
Clearly you have forgotten his conversation with the stewardess from the Pilot. She says something about him needing another drink rather quickly after his last, and he makes a comment that it was a weak drink. THEN we see that he is has pocketed a ton of full bottles in his jacket. Dunno about YOUR impressions of an alcoholic, but stocking up like that is not normal behavior even for someone who is bereaved.

There is a connection between the father and son that was only touched upon in this episode. Both were doctors. We are introduced to the father with a drink in his hand, same as we were initially introduced to Jack in the flashbacks. You can pooh-pooh it all you want, but I think these characters are all going to have their demons to face (like most people there will be more than one per person). It is just good character building and writing - something you may be unfamiliar with from watching the average TV show these days.

Is anyone yet getting that this show is going to focus on one person per episode? Hence in order to survive 24 eps for this season alone, we'd be done with individual storylines before season 2 started without other survivors we haven't met yet. This is not Gillian's Island.

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