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Old 07-28-01 | 09:26 PM
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I think that was a good move by Kent. People in the house could sway their vote and vote for Krista, but I don't think that will happen

Kent Vs. Mike
Maybe the Final Round

This is way better than last year
Old 07-28-01 | 11:28 PM
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Krista is now talking about walking out. (although everyone so far that has said that ofcourse hasn't).
She is PISSED at Kent. Not for nominating her, but for what he said when he did it.

Mike is pissed for the same reasons.
I agree.

I love LOVE how Kent twists things and people are falling for it, INCLUDING a lot of discussion boards about the show online.
I think what Mike said was true on the show tonight and threw it in Kents face.
Kent came to Mike about the "girls are after him for winning the car" and Mike basically saved him for nothing in return.
Not that "he owes him" but Kent just plays DUMB. It's like he forgot what happened the first few days of the show.
And he tells Mike "i don't like how you started this game".
Well HELLO?! If he would have done what everyone wanted it would in fact be KENT that would be long gone the first week!

And some online are loving kent for "telling the truth".
I think he has done far from that. He back tracks when the his antics from the first few days are thrown at him and that the rest after that is "convienent coverup" in my book.
And HELLO?! Mike told the truth when he nominated Nicole and Sherry. Ofcourse his "plan" didn't play out although it wasn't a bad one for the time.
Old 07-29-01 | 12:15 AM
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Never on to intentionally quote a Molly Shannon character, I am "Loving it!, Loving It!, Loving It!"

I watched a couple expisodes of the original, but it pretty much sucked. I think its entirely do to the new scheme of play, which basically keeps your interest week to week. (I have to agree with the person that said its probably more exciting than Survivor)

I think its pretty clear to just about everyone that Chilltown is on the way out, its what happens afterwards thats gonna be interesting. No more Mr. Nice Guy by anybody. Kent's already showing his claws, Nicole has them, and everybody knows it, and what about "The Untouchables"

yeah, I thought BB2 was going to suck even worse than BB1, glad I was wrong.

And thanks for the live feed updates.

(so sorry to see Shannon leave...she had an amazing.....wardrobe!)

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Old 07-29-01 | 11:32 AM
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I think Kent overplayed his hand by being so vicious towards Mike and Krista in his remarks, and now that Mike has reminded everyone of Kent's lack of honor, I would not be surprised if he were to get nominated next week by WHOEVER wins HoH.

Here's what I can't understand: If you nominate 2 people, make sure you target one and make everyone know that you had to nominate the other, and it was just a matter of someone being in the line of fire (at least Krista was smart enough to do that). But with Kent, it appears that he's getting rid of both Mike and Krista when he said why he was nominating the 2 of them, when one will stay and cause hell for Kent. (Yes, looking forward to seeing it!) How stupid is that?
Old 07-29-01 | 12:53 PM
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My voting explanation?...."I drew your names randomly from a hat. Stinks for you, sorry [slight shoulder shrug]...Now, who wants to go have a smoke?"

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Old 07-29-01 | 10:29 PM
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Another LIVE FEED update:

Just incase they don't show it on tv or the revelation on tv:

They had a Ouija board last night. ANd basically all of them took it seriously and asked it questions. It seemed like mostly Nicole and WIll were the ones "with hands on controlling it" most of the time.
Some revelations that came through it were:
Mike was a p**** for not playing the game and following his plan

Kristas MOTHER trying to contact her, but Krista refused to.
She said her mom told her those boards were EVIL and couldn't believe she would contact and use one of them now (her mother is deceased)

MIKE LOVES KRISTA (that's what the Ouija board said)

Shannon was using WILL!!!!!! in the house

These are all "revelations" that they got through questioning the spirits through the BOARD.
And basically tons of other "interesting" things

Oh another one, Will's cousin that died in an Oil Rig accident contacted him!

Now the kicker, Will tells Mike this morning he CONTROLLED ALL OF THAT. He basically "moved" the pointer to the convienent answers. Oh and the board also convienently DID NOT LIKE KENT, saying he should be kicked out (remember WIll is "controlling" it but NOBODY knew that and still don't except for Mike). None of it was true. So Mike and WIll talked about it this morning and WIll declared he manipulated the whole thing. All the answers he moved the "pointer" slightly to the "right" answers. They wish Shannon could have been there to see it and she would be "proud". He pointed out "Shannon used him" to basically try and get the TOP people to maybe think he is just a normal friendly guy and it was Shannon that brought him down. So he had the board declare this and make it "believable". He knows she didn't use him (where did it get her if she did?!). He still likes her, it was just a strategy in the game.
They laughed about this and Mike told him it was his "best prank yet". Because it got everyone. Like with the Krista's mother scenario Hardy stood up SHOCKED because it spelled out Krista's mothers name and he thought nobody knew it, but ofcourse Will did and didn't say anything. And the whole "will's cousin dying" was just a story by Will. Because they asked the Spirit at one point their name (there was multiple spirits at different times), and one was "Jim". then asked did you die a "violent death". Then answer "yes". SO Will was like "oh my god, my cousin Jim died from an Oil Rig accident in Thailand" (just a made up story ofcourse though!!!

NOw Will is also campaigning to try and keep Mike and get rid of Krista. He is basically doing it by trying to:
1. GET NICOLE TO go along with this and have her convince the others that it'd be better to have WIll and Mike along since there is "no way" they would eventually win.
2. Keep reminding KRISTA how mad she is at Kent and hope she will do things to continue this disruption and get Kent mad enough where he wants her OUT NOW instead of later.

Good plan, but I don't know if they have time to really get it done. And there may be too many burned bridges at this time.
But you never know. Especially if they "smartened up" and knew who they needed toward the end by their side ala COLBY GIVING UP $1 million to Tina.

But ofcourse Mike is showing he doesn't want to back stab Krista and he does really like her.

EDITED FOR PATMAN (did this help at all? I know it's a lot of INFO)

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Old 07-29-01 | 10:38 PM
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Briank, could you look over your post above and edit it to make it more comprehensible? I think I know what you were trying to say, but not 100%, and there's some juicy stuff in there!

As far as the Shannon thing, she sure did have a hard time saying that she loved Will, didn't she? Will's a poof, nothing out of his mouth is sincere at all.
Old 07-30-01 | 05:20 AM
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Damn, I wish I had time for the live feeds but I'm rarely @ home around the computer. Nonetheless, I hope they get rid of that Mike F'r. I'm sick of him and his Mike Boogie routine, it's old just like him.
Old 07-30-01 | 09:36 AM
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Thanks, Brian, mucho more comprehensible (had to make sure the verbs I was putting in place were the right ones in the recap of yours). Remember when Will told the diary cam that he hoped they'd all underestimate his capacity for destruction? I wonder if this was Will's plan from the start: Gets really hated early on in the house, but still like-able enough to have around to be used as a contrast to the other houseguess (so that they would keep him around and get the sympathy vote in a final two situation).
Old 07-30-01 | 10:48 AM
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Regarding bfrank's post on the Ouija Board incident:

If these people knew that a Ouija Board planchette moves only through the unconscious or conscious movements of the people who are touching it, they would not fall for this nonsense.

Still, Will is a total jerk. I hope Mike goes next, then Will.

http://skepdic.com/ouija.html

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Old 07-31-01 | 09:07 AM
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Alright another VAGUE LIVE FEED UPDATE:

Basically for tonight's episode hopefully they'll use alot of footage about strategy that happened yesterday.
I'm still reading all the live feed updates that I missed last night.
But thought I would post that yesterday evening all HELL BROKE LOOSE!!!!

Basically while WIll and Mike minded their own business making up a dance routine, TOP had a war between themselves.
Basically inside TOP people are backstabbing each other and trying among themselves to come up with the final three or final four. So this may get and IS CONFUSING............

Hardy and Nicole bascially were alone bad mouthing KENT and by default his tied at the hip partner BUNKY. That's who Hardy wants out next (Kent).
However since others knew they were in the room alone "strategizing" Nicole felt that she had to tell Kent what was going down (ofcourse her version of it). So she told Kent "some" things that were said and no ofcourse Kent doesn't trust HARDY.
NOw......
Hardy gets pissed at Nicole for telling Kent some things (She also told Bunky that Hardy said he was "mothering" him). They "seem" to work through this as Nicole said it was strategy since they knew they were talking anyway and that Kent didn't trust Hardy anyway she could more or less play "both sides" AGAIN!
Also...... it comes to light Kent told Hardy that Kent wants "Bunky, Kent and Hardy" final three!!! Then told Nicole he wants "Bunky, Kent and Nicole" as final three. Nicole and Hardy compare notes and find this out. (from watching Kent he is more truthful about Nicole than Hardy FOR SURE).
Then Kent tells MONICA she is part of TOP and Krista and HARDY are NOT!!! Monica relays some of this back to KRISTA who inturn relays to HARDY and NICOLE who were strategizing AGAIN alone.

Now Bunky confronted Hardy and Nicole about turning against him and gaining up against him. They deny it and Bunky leaves unhappy and tells Kent he did not believe them.
So Kent comes up with a "possible" plan to make a deal with MIKE and to vote out Krista (in turn hurting a SURE HARDY PARTNER). Because he KNOWS Krista is against him, and so is Mike, but Mike has a better chance of changing with the wind and maybe teaming with Kent!!! (which is true, but like Will said, ChillTown are the "bad" people and the good thing about that is they CAN GET AWAY with keep changing their mind and not holding to their word which is GREAT AND SMART).

Now Nicole also brought the idea up about keeping Mike and trusting Will. Oh by the way Nicole is NOT a fan of Monica, and they have "cleaning the house" issues with each other (Nicole cleans, Monica doesn't, Nicole is mad that Monica doesn't do much and gets mad at Nicole for ACTUALLY doing a LOT, understand?!). So Nicole would rather have maybe Will further down the road than Monica. Hardy isn't sure because he has heard "Will is out to get him". Then Nicole said that Mike and Will LIKE him. So they are unsure..........
Now this doesn't necessarily mean Nicole and Hardy are together, they "could" be just playing off each other.

So the point of this post is right now it's CHAOS in the house.
And almost ANYONE can go ANYWAY possible.
It's FUNNY how things can change 180 degrees in a matter of a day (by the way almost EVERYONE in the house has mentioned yesterday with the exact words "I can believe this sort of thing is happening already" referring to the cutthroat game).
Basically it comes down to a war between KENT and HARDY.
I dont' think they'll be on the same "team" within TOP.
And it's who they can get on who's side. We know BUNKY is on Kent's. The rest can really be floaters for now. And can maybe just be a "buddy" to HOH winner?!
I think it would be great if all of a sudden they are latching on and COUNTING on having to kiss the remaing CHILLTOWN member(s) to be the deciding faction!!!!!

The plot thickens.................... (to be continued)
Hopefully some of this will play out tonight.
And it just goes to show it's not an automatic that Mike is out Thursday. Because we have heard Kent and Nicole talk about keeping Mike (although it was talked about in DIFFERENT conversations and for different reasons). And Bunky will do what Kent decides is best. So who knows!!!!
Old 07-31-01 | 09:16 AM
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Thanks for the update. Has there been anything interesting since?

My favorites are Mike (when he's not dancing), Krista, and Will. Of course, I don't think any of them are going to win.
Old 07-31-01 | 09:41 AM
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Damn! Thanks for the updates Kent is gonna be gone real soon I think, the dude is dirty.
Old 07-31-01 | 09:50 AM
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Holy mother of Gaia! I can actually see the cutting of the show from the transcript that Brian provided us (Thanks!). It'll be mindboggling as to getting a fix as to who really wants to be with at the end (final 3), and not knowing who's going to be back-stabbing who. This is how the game should unfold due to the nature of the mini-alliances that can be broken every week due to HoH status. Whoa!
Old 07-31-01 | 10:20 AM
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Thanks for the update. Has there been anything interesting since?

My favorites are Mike (when he's not dancing), Krista, and Will. Of course, I don't think any of them are going to win.

Well ANOTHER SHORT UPDATE:

Last night before bed the original "UNTOUCHABLES ALLIANCE" of Krista, Hardy, and Monica were talking outside saying they were STILL TOGETHER and true to each other.
And again rehashing what went down that day as described above.
They say they made up with Mike and are cool with him now, but ofcourse he has to go because of Krista.
They still want Chilltown down 1-2-3 BUT they said after today Kent may be next because of the days events before Will.
Which would be smart anyway due to Kent would nominate Hardy and Krista very soon anyway if him or Bunky got HOH.
And Will would NOT nominate Krista, and she could probably talk him into Bunky/Kent if he got HOH.

Now Krista also hinted if she gets voted out, that they should maybe get Mike in on their side (monica and Hardy), that he is a "good guy". To get voted out though it would take a Bunky vote (Kent getting him to do so) and a NICOLE vote, and for that to happen sometime between now and Wed. when they vote she would have to find how strong the Kr/H/M alliance is and side with either Bunky/Kent or even Will/Mike or either and decide later. But it seems as thoguh she is "trusting" of Hardy right now and will go with him which will lead to her downfall (although remember ANY MOMENT HOH competition can change things!) because of the "untouchables".
So Krista is the favorite to stay although "possible" of the deflection.
Old 07-31-01 | 10:50 AM
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Final conversation for last night:

Basically after the "untouchable" talk about the three of them having allegience to one another HARDY AND NICOLE have a heart to heart (is this serious or is it to secure she votes Mike this week?!).
But he says He wants HARDY, KRISTA, and NICOLE at the end and then to have him voted out and Krista, Nicole for final.
He wants Krista #1 or #2 for the situation she is in at home.
He makes what she makes in a month in a week.

This is after he just told Monica/Krista about their "trio".

So I'm not sure which one they are cutting in their minds Monica or Krista?! And again HOH can change it all. So I'm thinking Hardy is just getting Nicole and Monica both on their side just incase they win a HOH to get Bunky, Kent, Will, Mike OUT.
His main allie must be Krista I guess.

Will walked in mid-conversation and they switch topics minorly.
They tell Will (Hardy and Nicole) how much they have come to like him AND mike. That it suprises them how things change from the first week and they have come to like their sense of humor.
They tell Will that he gets a "by week" for the next two weeks.
That they want Kent and Bunky out because of today and then proceed to bash Kent. Will said that "is cool" and he would LOVE to see ANYONE BUT Kent, Bunky, or Monica win.
That he'd be happy to see "Nicole, Hardy, or Krista" win.

Then later, Nicole and Will have a nice talk and she says it's "safe" to trust Hardy and talk to him.
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Wow, thanks again for the updates. Should be a damn_good episode tonight
Old 07-31-01 | 10:55 AM
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So are we to believe there are 3 subgroups:

The Untouchables: Monica, Hardy, and Krista
The Odd Couple: Kent and Bunky
The ChillTown: Will and Mike

And then there's Nicole...
Old 07-31-01 | 11:01 AM
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And then there's Nicole...
The Conniver
Old 07-31-01 | 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by Patman
So are we to believe there are 3 subgroups:

The Untouchables: Monica, Hardy, and Krista
The Odd Couple: Kent and Bunky
The ChillTown: Will and Mike

And then there's Nicole...
Well one more thing I read.
HARDY after talking to Monica and Krista and that "meeting" broke up. He talked to the camera directly when alone and said something to the effect of "wow the lies you have to give in this place to get anywhere" type speech. It seemed as though he was true to Krista buy maybe Monica is in for the ride "for now".

And Nicole, Will and Hardy were up till 5am talking last night.
With Hardy declaring "this is the best conversation I've had since being in the house"! He really enjoys their company.
So it may be a Hardy, Nicole, Krista thing.

The late night convo was about tons of things a lot of Justin talk, Will and SHannon talk, etc. They cleared up a lot of issues about what WILL was thinking the first few weeks in the house doing the things he did. They said because of that they will still vote him out before some of the others (Krista, Nicole, Hardy, etc) but with no hard feelings and they do LIKE him.
And that they have to vote Mike out just because it's against Krista (they would do in Kent or Bunky before him if they could basically). But it was an interesting conversation to read about.
Old 07-31-01 | 11:35 AM
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This was posted on BBFC live feed board at 4:55 am, and could make things interesting although I think they were just "joking"

this was with Nicole, Hardy and Will present:

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Ok, I can't hear exactly what is being said, but I did hear ONE sentence and it was it was the only one you really needed to hear:

Hardy to Nicole in the bathroom with Will, still brushing their teeth "WE JUST MADE A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL" and they all three started to laugh and promissed to keep it between the three of them. I couldn't hear what that deal was though.
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The sole survivor?
Old 07-31-01 | 12:02 PM
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Ok a few more "quick" things from this "all night chat".

The deal with the devil quote was about the deal with WIll that Hardy and Nicole made. That they would "try" barring HOH to be the final 4 with Krista. Then Will is "happy" to leave, then Hardy is "happy to leave", leaving Nicole and Krista the finalists.
Then Nicole would like Krista to win and that's GREAT.
So that is the "plan".

Then they started second guessing how Krista would "blow the money" on the ex-boyfriend, and not spend it on the kid, etc, etc so they don't know about her WINNING after all?!

THINGS TO REMEMBER:
HOH can change things as we've seen more than once

Where does Monica fit in? Nicole and Will really don't like her much so was Hardy "playing along" and he is dedicated to Krista/Monica or is it this new "4some friendship"?!

Now this coversation lasted HOURS and HOURS so it could be "real". And when Will joked early on in the conversation, what if someone sends a banner saying "Will Nicole and Hardy new friendship" or something like that. Hardy was "stunned" when realized people could be watching "in the middle of the night" and basically said to a camera "If any internet people are watching and want to ruin this by sending a banner, you can suck my ****" and he was using some explicit language when instruction this.

We'll have to see how this plays out through the day today and a real test a lot of times is AFTER a good conversation like this when there was plenty of BAD MOUTHING other houseguests is to see which ones run back and tell others to see their true feelings!!!! And unfoldments today will be "too late" for tonight's episode. BUt hopefully they can show a lot of yesterday evening and last night stuff!!! Can't wait to see it.
Hopefully they don't waste too much time on the Ouija board stuff and other silly games when we have these good ol' bad mouthing backstabbing fights.
Old 07-31-01 | 08:09 PM
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Spoiler:
Damn, Monica is done for if Nicole gets HOH. Krista was spooked as $hit when then Ouija board spelled her moms name. I'm glad Hardy got the call, I'm getting sick of Nicole and her crap too Can't wait for the updates and can't wait for Thursday's episode
Old 07-31-01 | 09:19 PM
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Well after all my postings about what went on yesterday I'm highly disappointed in tonight's episode!

NOT ONE clip from yesterday's fallout scenarios!!!

And you know they don't have time to show ALL OF THAT or hardly ANY of it during the live show before the eviction.
Just will get the tip of it all.

I think they are thinking/hoping Mike is basically voted out to stay on track, THEN on Saturday they would show more of the fallout from last night in more detail between Hardy/Krista/Monica vs. Hardy/Krista/Nicole vs. Hardy/Will/Nicole vs. Bunky/Kent vs. Bunky/Kent/Will (remember the 'fake' deal with the DEVIL).

But if someone how that Krista is off then all of yesterday doesn't matter as much and it'll be an all new story as "boogie" points out on tonight's episode. And the way it was edited tonight it seemed like Nicole may be up for that (even her Diary Room conversation was leading that way saying Krista is a bigger threat). Although a lot has happened in the last two days since that Diary suggestion was made as I pointed out above.

By the way a plane banner flew by while ago stating:
"M and W plot to get Krista out"

I really don't like the banners as it REALLY affects play. Let these people backstab each other it makes for better tv. Most of them know who is on who's side and if not let them find out on their OWN. Because them now "being afraid of banners" will ease up play of strategy which sucks.
I'm all for "funny banners" like "RATINGS SUCK" to watch them react, or "RATINGS ARE HUGE YOU ARE ALL STARTS" again for reaction. Or "US goes to WAR, STOCK MARKET CRASHES" etc.


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