Man those crimes are petty. Everyone has a misguided past. And hey we all know clubs where the "real" owners names aren't on any of the info. Good for him. Rock on Mike. Just stop dancing damnit.

I dunno, man -- being confined in a place like that and having your principles compromised in order to win a large sum of money while having it televised? I have no clue what it would do to me. Some people just aren't used to that sense of claustrophobia, I guess -- I don't think Hardy was only crying over the scuffles with Shannon. I think it's a culmination of everything.

Well a company OWNS the bar, and Mike owns 43% of that company. It protects his personal assets if the business goes "Belly up" (coincidence with the bar's name?!).

But it seems like the bar is actually doing pretty good and Mike seems like a decent guy.

On one hand, Hardy talks tough about wanting to just get rid of Chilltown, and then says he'd be happy to leave the house. And now that someone has mentally challenged him and his lame "well, it wasn't personal that I happened to pick Will and Shannon to be put up for eviction." excuse, Hardy finds that he doesn't quite have that killer instinct, that he truly wasn't tough enough to divorce his feelings from the game itself.

I think if I were on the show (I'd be pretty boring BTW), I would not allow these people to get the best of me. I'd just keep repeating the mantra "It's only a game, it's only a game, ..."

And believe me, I can shut people out of my life pretty readily. In college, I stopped talking to a roommate who became a drunken lush. We made it through the lease, but for over 8 months, we had minimal communication, like a sentence per month ("where's your portion of the rent?"). I know I could easily sidestep Shannon's games. Hardy's not equipped to handle this form of combat. He's trying to approach Shannon like a rational person, but that's his mistake. Now he's pretty damn paranoid because he knows that he'll get up for the boot next week if Mike can gain Head of Household on Thursday. To get the boot with both Will and Mike in the house would be a major defeat for Hardy.

Good point, and I'm not questioning your character, but these two situations aren't comparable. I would imagine it's more difficult to completely shut someone out of your life when you are literally stuck inside a house that neither of you can leave. You have no job, no duties outside of the house, and no real activities to divert your attention from the tension between you and those you live with.

It just takes discipline.

Yeah, to be stuck in the same house with people you hate 24/7 would get the best of most people. No TV, radio, magazines, etc and nothing at all to do but bitch and play silly games. Reality my ass.

Damn, I missed Hardy crying too. I know there won't be any reruns.

SPOILER about tonight's episode



So now I think NICOLE is playing the game the best. She is doing the one KEY THING of playing it up when she does the voting, by crying and saying the good points she likes about the person, instead of trashing them like most do. They could be the difference in the end.

Spoilers for our west coast brethren...

Yes, pretty much a given as to who's getting nominated for the boot.



And yes, Nicole is totally putting on the crocodile tears during her voting sessions. I'm surprised Bunkie didn't turn in one of his performances, but he's actually just being his real self, and was totally honest when he explained his vote tonight.

After 2 weeks, this show will be really cut-throat with TOP and the "Untouchables" battle it out among the "normal" people. This will be a more nasty game when the final 6 are left to scramble for the loot.

This just in:

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i guess its because monica stays pretty low key and out of everyone's way (so to speak) and that julie probably has a limited amonut of time talking to them and whats to talk about all the interesting stuff.

Anyone else notice how Julie Chen can't say the word "Guests" correctly. It's more like Guess

Well you only were showed what was on TV. Remember there is a lot they didn't show. The power of editing!
Hardy the DAY AFTER you saw him saying you vote 3 this way and others vote 3 the other way, a DAY LATER he went back and said it wasn't worth the chance, let's just vote "shannon" just to be sure. And he new he was being petty and "mean" if he went with the tie and didn't want to go down to their level.
They had to leave this out ofcourse not only to have "suspense" for the vote, but also to make it look like tension between the "real" people and not following through with commitments.

I thought it would get "boring" once ChillTown is gone seing how the rest "smoke all day and play backgammon". But quickly realized I was WRONG. That is why I "was" rooting for Mike to win HOH. But it's actually better this way. Get rid of Chills so the real work can begin. They pretend it'll be lovey dovey and they are all happy for each other once that task is accomplished.
That's why it "would" be boring like last year. BUT.....
YOu have to remember they are playing TO WIN even though some appear to not. Krista really doesn't like KENT. Kent doesn't like Krista. Is the Untouchables really exist? Or is Hardy playing along? Why did Hardy say last night he trusts NICOLE And KRISTA, when the Untouchables is "supposed" to be Monica and Krista? Nicole says she will walk so someone that "needs" the money gets it, but then does the strategic crocidile tears when voting?! Then Kent hates "gays" the first week of the show, then becomes Bunky's best friend. With all this exsisting I think they will turn on each other so FAST. What will Kent do once he finds out he was being played by an "untouchable" alliance?! If one really exists. And that "TOP" was just a figment of his imagination. Ofcourse it depends on who wins HOH each week and luck of the draw that way, because some alliances may not get a chance if they don't win anything (kinda like ChillTown, doesn't matter if you have a solid alliance if you don't WIN ANYTHING). So it'll be fun..... and in Hardy's words:
"makes you say hmmmmm......?!"

I totally agree, BB2 will be agonizingly fun to watch once the Chill Town Trio is gone. The next 2 weeks are perfunctionary. Then Krista, the double agent will be having to really scramble to keep off Kent and by default, Bunkie's crap list.

What's sort of cool about this season's BB2 is that there is really no way of predicting a winner, it all boils down to getting HoH and choosing wisely. Even Survivor isn't this vicious because HoH's can't run the table on immunity challenges (a la Kelly or Colby), so one week, your on top of the world, the next week, you're back among the unwashed.

My off the wall guesses.

Hardy - could go soon after Chill Town, he's pretty divisive, and once Chill Town is gone, he'll have to choose sides again, and everyone knows it.

Kent - Will go soon, within a month/4 weeks.

Krista - has to be careful, but is up for early retirement.

Monica - final 3.

Bunkie - also final 3.

Nicole - I actually would not be surprised if she winds up in the final two.

I thought she was rather fake ans scary with that plastered on smile and mannered speaking, like "I'm a good girl." It was only really telling when she was asked if she was going to tell Hardy she used his toothbrush, and without hesitating she says 'Oh, yes, definitely. I was going to tell him.", which from what I've read was an utter lie because she deined it and wouldnt tell him until those banners revealed to the Houseguests that she did- it was only then that she fessed up.

Hmm... I didn't follow the board much, but I do follow BB2 and I'm surprised to find it more exciting than survivor: it's definitely tougher psychologically and that's about the only thing that counts. Also intelligence should help more than it does on survivor where physical strength is an asset.

Now to the characters: Personally I like Mike and Krista best as they are the more natural of the whole bunch in a sense. However, I think they stand the biggest chance of being nominated tonight and that would be also the best move Kent could make.
Will is no real threat as he doesn't seem apt to ever win a challenge. However Mike or Krista would quite likely put Kent up possibly against Hardy despite that UT crap.

The strongest players right now look Monica (which I totally dislike) and Nicole. Bunky managed to keep himself liked by everyone but he's expendable from the every other player's point of view...

Alright well the nominations for tomorrow night are in it looks like:


Now a live feed FUNNY update.
Patman, you may like this.
Kent is really up to no good.
He had a conversation with Will before nominations to basically make the same kind of pact that Hardy "tried" to make with Mike last week.
But in the conversation Kent starts to bad mouth Bunky and gays almost the same type of Kent statements as the first night in the house. He is using very derogatory type statements towards gays. Now Will is just playing along and going along with it.
And I'm sure in Will's mind he is "playing psycological games" with Kent and getting Kent on his side. And also being an hour away from nominations he doesn't want to DISAGREE with Kent, who would that close to nominations?! NOW, Kent proceeds to run back to "TOP" and say everything WILL just told him. And here is the kicker: basically he said WILL SAID all these derogatory statements towards gays and Bunky that KENT ACTUALLY SAID, NOT WILL!!!! So I guess "not disagreeing" with Kent by WIll EQUALS "Will said.......".
Now this is part of the game and I respect it. But damn Kent is pulling a fast one and staying an "honest guy" while the rest of the house hate Will even more!!!! Especially BUnky.


Another Hardy update: He just went off on the rest of the house and DOES NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE GAME WITH ANYONE ANYMORE. He refuses and now people are looking pretty pissed at him?!
.....................getting interesting!!!

And Mike today (because of a banner outing him) confesed and told WIll about the whole Batman set break in and taking photos etc etc. (everyone has heard about this right?!) He was pretty upset that people dug this up, and actually thought it was in his PAST and he changed his NAME because of this and everything!
And now it looks like he may potentially pull a "shannon" after being nominated as well.

Good update! I knew Kent was a total bastard from his runing his mouth from the get-go in front of Bunkie and that whole "please gays, don't throw that stuff at me." speech.

I do like the "framing" angle that Kent is using because he knows that only Mike will believe that Will didn't say those things about Bunkie, and Will and Mike's word don't mean squat.

Maybe Hardy's really mad that Shannon and her bikini's are gone from the house. I'm telling you, Hardy's a mental midget, and he's totally cracked mentally.

What I'm guessing is that Kent's badmouthing Bunkie in front of Will only will be bannerized as well, and that'll seal Kent's fate (he may go before Will does as in 2 weeks! from yesterday. Like Kent said, "Payback's a bitch!" I think Mike will pay for the banner himself after he gets the boot next week. Heh.

well I think the only way it'll happen is if Mike gets out and pays for it. ALMOST ALL banners seem to be anti-chilltown and Pro-anything and everyone else.

I think Mike got "screwed over" as well.
And he pointed this out today, and that is one reason he is REALLY MAD over getting nominated. He thought Will should have been nominated over him!
Because if you go back to day 2 of Big Brother Kent approached Mike (and other's) about the "Men alliance" which ofcourse Kent has long forgotten he was behind that plan I'm sure! lol
Anyway he approached Mike about this, and remember at the time and the first week Kent was almost Hated by EVERYONE.
Mike gets HeadofHousehold and nominates Nicole and Sherry (for his own reasons I'm sure) but at the same time "SAVED Kent" and told Kent that and Kent acknowledged that.
THat's why we see Mike's surprised reaction when Kent voted out Sherry instead of Nicole (and Mike confronted him on that live show, because remember we didn't see the first few days online the live feeds didn't start till the first episode aired which they had been in the house for like 3 days already so I'm sure we missed a LOT of Kent early strategy).
So Mike fealt betrayed by Kent and Kent "hey I did what I had to do". Then tonight get's nominated by the same guy that orignailly "saved him" just sent him over the edge!!!
Especially getting nominated over Will.
Then Kent when explaining the nominations didn't give Mike a reason he was happy with. Basically lied (AGAIN!).
Couldn't just say "I don't like you Mike" or "You are a threat because you came in 2nd in HOH comp". He said basically that Mike was playing the game wrong "early on" I think.
So that sent Mike over the edge and started declaring "Kent was an alternate for the show, and bad mouthing his kids, family, etc"

What it boils down to is Kent really I think getting one over on everyone so far. Like you said Patman, only Will and Mike know the real him (and Krista has a small idea). And because of them being the least believed because of their own natural faults already it makes Kent still "golden honest man".
And a lot of internet boards are happy that "kent is getting chilltown back and getting revenge". Even though Kent started this and is actually worse than everyone there in my mind, and people just don't see or remember that.

With all that said I respect ANY and I mean ANY way you play the game! Especially if it works and wins you $500k.

What drives me nuts, is people "hating" Chilltown because they bad mouth people. I think they are just "having fun" and goofing and not actually "hating these people". they are just fooling around in ways that many people do. But "TOP" actually talks about everyone behind their back and plays nice to their face and then proceed to call themselves the "fair playing honest ones"?!
HUH, WHAT?! Atleast ChillTown was upfront and HONEST with their intentions. Mike didn't lie with his nominations the first week. He didn't' like Nicole for what she did the first few days (although now has gotten to know her) so nominated her and said WHY and then Sherry just thinking Nicole would lose. Smart move and didn't hide behind lies about it.
They didn't pretend any different. But then "TOP" calls for revenge to get the mean "lying Chilltown" when they themselves are just as bad or worse.
Atleast Hardy sees this and doesn't like himself this way (although is having trouble stopping) and doesn't want to talk about strategy anymore.

Whoa, that's a large heap of hypocrisy to sort through!

Once ChillTown failed to truly recruit enough to gain a majority in the house, they were destined to fail prey to any backstabbing that folks like Kent (but I do love the way he's working it, some people in that house are just too naive and get taken by Kent's accent, because it's an earnest accent, and if you just listen to him, and don't challenge what he says, he'll steamroll right over you). Perhaps that's why Krista was on to Kent from the get-go, she's heard variations of his accent and manner of speaking to all the guests (I swear Kent sounds like he's taken the Dale Carnegie course on closing sales).

And the other thing that hurt ChillTown is that the narcissitic qualities of Will and Shannon because they just didn't have the memory retention of details in/of the house/guests to win Head of Household, and that's what's done them in. Mike and Shannon had their chances to stay in the game, but they failed, and Shannon was sent packing, and now Mike is on the next train outof the BB-vile.

From my reading around (I've found I cant stand to watch the show, but its neat to read about) I think the reason the Chill people got their bad reputation, despite the other side saying similair things and backtalking/plotting, is that Chill was smug and superior in how they did it. Obviously not so superior since they are getting picked off one by one.

As far as Kent, who unfortunately hails from where I live, trying to frame Will for derogatory gay comments...one of the things I've read about that the tv is apparently not covering (just like last year) is the derogatory things that especially members of Chill have had to say about gays, the elderly, fat people, mentally challenged, and what have you, so maybe its just desserts. Although on tv, I'm sure they will play up the redneck angle and make Kent look like clansman more than Will.

Anyone else think Will is Eddie Munster all grown up?

I cannot really say anything bad about her, but I'm ranking/rating people based on how I would get along with them. Her righteous attitude just annoys me...
Of course, out of the people still in the house, Kent is by far the most disgusting. Actually he has probably been in that position from the beginning in my view...

As I said earlier, the nominations are no big surprise and they are actually quite a smart move on Kent's part. Nominating Mike against Bunky or anyone else from TOP, would've risked the (albeit slim) chance of Mike winning by swinging one vote (Monica or Nicole) to add to Will's and Krista's. Now... it looks like it's bye-bye Mike.

And I don't get what's with the posters. I mean, the toothbrush one sure, I get. But what's the point of singling out some player's past which has NOTHING to do with the game... That's ********.

Can I smell an upset and predict that Krista will be leaving the house? Mike needs 2 more votes from TOP (I feel confident that Will will vote to boot Krista). Are the rest of TOP smart enough to oust Krista over Mike (going with the popularity angle here)?

Monica - she might defect.
Nicole - she might also defect.
Bunky - he will vote to boot Mike
Hardy - he will also vote to boot Mike.

(Then again, it could be wishful thinking, but if Mike makes his case this week, he may get to stay another week, but I hope it gets bloody between him and Kent).