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Old 04-12-24, 10:13 AM
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Re: MaXXXine (2024, D: Ti West) -- X sequel -- S: Mia Goth

Originally Posted by Brian T
And since that applies to every actor nominated for an Oscar ever, I totally understand anyone wanting to negate her performance. Lots of people didn’t like it, surely, so you’re hardly alone. But, lots of people did, and they weren’t only “internet fans” at film geek websites (and really, so what if some of them were?).
Why do you think I didn't like her performance?

I never believed she was a promoted contender who got snubbed (post #73 says nothing of the sort).
In post #70, you said she was snubbed. You can't get snubbed if you were never in contention. Was Jenna Ortega snubbed because she didn't get a Supporting Actress nomination? No, she was never in the conversation.

​​​​​​​which is kinda what prompted me to suggest it — turned up articles and reviews that suggested that she gave a performance that was worth consideration, at least. And I simply agree with that. You and others don’t, but we could have that debate about any actor, ever, honestly.
I'm not saying the movie was not praised and she was not singled out as giving an exceptional performance in the reviews when the movie came out. That did happen. But then that praise just dissipates. Anya Taylor-Joy was praised for The Witch. Florence Pugh was praised for Midsommar. Critics saying in their reviews that someone gave a great performance is not going to move the needle if at the end of the year there isn't some push to get that performance attention from Academy voters.

Did you know that you have to submit yourself to be considered for an Emmy nomination? Same thing with the Oscars. They really don't come looking for you. You have to be shoved under their noses.

A24, Mia Goth, and Ti West all know how the system works.

Therefore it is ludicrous for anyone to be sitting around after the nominations come out and saying Goth was snubbed, when no one lifted a finger to get her noticed.

I understand your point about how it would have been nice if a great performance in a lower budget horror movie from a relatively unknown actress could get recognition. That's not the world, though.

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Re: MaXXXine (2024, D: Ti West) -- X sequel -- S: Mia Goth

All the films in director Ti West's horror trilogy that began with 2022's X are essentially about movies themselves.

That first entry starred Mia Goth as Maxine Minx, who's part of an amateur porn crew attempting to shoot a smut film in secret on a remote farm when they are set upon by the homicidal elderly couple that owns it, Pearl (also played by Goth) and Howard. "These people are not part of the movie business, but they want to get into it. It's an opportunity from the outside to break in with pornography," West tells Entertainment Weekly. "X was a lot about the absurdity of making a movie."

Goth returned for Pearl, a prequel shot back to back with the first film, this time telling the origin story of the killer from X who, like, Maxine, was fixated on becoming a star. It's "a movie about someone aspiring to have the life that the movies seem to [show], and how that would affect someone," West comments.



Now with MaXXXine (out July 5), the culmination of all this groundwork, Goth is back playing the lone survivor of X as she travels to Los Angeles to finally get her big break. "What people think it's like making movies — or what people think Hollywood is versus what it is actually — is a big part of what's happening in the movie," West says. "I guess 'seeing behind the curtain' is a thematic element."

And, of course, because it's an R-rated horror story, not everyone makes. "Some people, in a very gruesome way, don't make it to the end," West teases. "If you're expecting it to be part of this X movie and people will be killed, yeah, I'm going to deliver on all those things. But it's going to zig instead of zag in a lot of places that people aren't expecting. It's a very decadent world that she lives in, and it's a very aggressive world that she lives in, but the threat shows up in an unexpected way."

When audiences pick up with Maxine, she's in Tinseltown in 1985, six years after she escaped the farm in X. She has reached the top of the adult film industry, but she's plateaued and looking to break into "real movies." Maxine finally gets her big break from Elizabeth Bender (The Crown Emmy nominee Elizabeth Debicki), a noted filmmaker who made an indie horror hit called The Puritan. The sequel, The Puritan II, is now being made as a big studio project, and Bender decides to take a chance by stunt casting a porn actress, Maxine, in a lead role opposite another actress (played by Lily Collins of Emily in Paris).



Forces surrounding Maxine threaten to shatter her dreams of stardom. Kevin Bacon, a longtime admirer of West's work, arrives in the film as a private investigator hired by someone pretty powerful to track her down. The film is also set against the backdrop of Richard Ramirez, a.k.a. the serial killer known as the Night Stalker who was active in California from 1984-'85. Michelle Monaghan and Bobby Cannavale play police detectives pursuing the Night Stalker, and they set their sights on Maxine when multiple women in her orbit show up dead.



Also featuring Halsey, Giancarlo Esposito, Moses Sumney, and Sophie Thatcher, West acknowledges that MaXXXine is a "substantially bigger" film than X and Pearl. "The thing that the other two movies don't have is that sort of scope," the director says. "To try to do a big, sprawling Los Angeles ensemble movie is what the movie was, and that's just a big undertaking." If X channeled slasher classics such as The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, and Pearl channeled old-school Hollywood musicals, MaXXXine invokes what West describes as a genre of Los Angeles movies, as evidenced by the St. Elmo's Fire movie theater marquee and the Bates Motel set that pop up in the trailer. He also adds, "There's a kind of noir-ish mystery vibe to the movie that's very fun."

West confirms that MaXXXine "will probably be the end of the Maxine era," but there's a chance the films could expand beyond a trilogy. "I do have one idea that plays into these movies that could maybe happen," he mentions. "I don't know if it'll be next. It might be. We'll see."



Part of the fun West had with X and Pearl came from audiences not knowing much about either before they were thrown right in, especially when the prequel was surprise released shortly after the first. West is trying to preserve some of that mystery and intrigue in his work. But West says, after working on this trilogy for three-and-a-half years, he's eager for a break. After he finishes speaking with EW, the filmmaker goes right back to work on color correction and finalizing the titles for MaXXXine.

"Then hopefully I can just put this in a box under the bed, take a breath, and figure out what's next," he continues. "I'll say that, if there's more to be done in this X franchise, it's certainly not what people are expecting it to be. It's not just picking up again a few years later and whatever. It's different in the way that Pearl was an unexpected departure. It's another unexpected departure."
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When audiences pick up with Maxine, she's in Tinseltown in 1985, six years after she escaped the farm in X. She has reached the top of the adult film industry, but she's plateaued and looking to break into "real movies." Maxine finally gets her big break from Elizabeth Bender (The Crown Emmy nominee Elizabeth Debicki), a noted filmmaker who made an indie horror hit called The Puritan. The sequel, The Puritan II, is now being made as a big studio project, and Bender decides to take a chance by stunt casting a porn actress, Maxine, in a lead role opposite another actress (played by Lily Collins of Emily in Paris).
This aspect, now that it’s seems to be confirmed, still seems pretty far-fetched (not that the franchise isn’t in many ways), as I figured it would in earlier posts. That a “big studio” in the 80’s (or any era, really) would be ok with the “stunt casting” of someone who’s apparently a top porn star in a lead role? Ok, then. I suppose if anyone can make that seem plausible for even a second, it’s West in this franchise, and I’m sure someone will race in to point out all the times that this happened in the genre that I’m admittedly unaware of, but I think we covered most of the porn stars who failed to cross over in earlier discussions, and none came close to lead roles in studio projects. I still think tossing Maxine and her attendant horrors into a BOOGIE NIGHTS kind of world would’ve been more in keeping with the franchise’s underlying element, but I’m still keen to see what transpires here.
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Re: MaXXXine (2024, D: Ti West) -- X sequel -- S: Mia Goth

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This aspect, now that it’s seems to be confirmed, still seems pretty far-fetched (not that the franchise isn’t in many ways), as I figured it would in earlier posts. That a “big studio” in the 80’s (or any era, really) would be ok with the “stunt casting” of someone who’s apparently a top porn star in a lead role? Ok, then. I suppose if anyone can make that seem plausible for even a second, it’s West in this franchise, and I’m sure someone will race in to point out all the times that this happened in the genre that I’m admittedly unaware of, but I think we covered most of the porn stars who failed to cross over in earlier discussions, and none came close to lead roles in studio projects. I still think tossing Maxine and her attendant horrors into a BOOGIE NIGHTS kind of world would’ve been more in keeping with the franchise’s underlying element, but I’m still keen to see what transpires here.
But the first thing I thought of seeing that synopsis was Marilyn Chambers in Rabid. No, not a "studio" film, but a lot of the description does seem to parallel David Cronenberg's early career. Throw in the fact that Goth recently made a movie with Cronenberg's son (or that could all just be coincidence) and a pattern starts to develop.
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But the first thing I thought of seeing that synopsis was Marilyn Chambers in Rabid. No, not a "studio" film, but a lot of the description does seem to parallel David Cronenberg's early career. Throw in the fact that Goth recently made a movie with Cronenberg's son (or that could all just be coincidence) and a pattern starts to develop.
Yeah, I suppose there's that. Maybe if he'd just left the "big studio" aspect out of it, and kept things in the independent arena of the 80's (which, like the 70's, saw a small number of porn stars delude themselves into thinking they'd cross over to B-movies), I'd have found it more believable. I'm sure he's just angling to get his digs in at 'the studio system', too, although that's hardly a new target.
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Re: MaXXXine (2024, D: Ti West) -- X sequel -- S: Mia Goth

That's just splitting hairs or nitpicking at that point. There are several precedents of porn stars breaking into mainstream acting roles from the aforementioned Chambers to Sasha Grey more recently.
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‘Breaking in’, absolutely, but not necessarily (and frankly, rarely) in the way the MAXXXINE filmmakers seem to be suggesting Maxine is breaking into “big studio” films of the era. And indeed, we already went through some of other failures to launch, and I wasn’t alone in my thinking. I suppose Grey did come close with Girlfriend Experience being from a smaller studio/distributor like Magnolia, so maybe West’s “big studio” will be more akin to 80’s era New Line or something like that after all (kinda what I was thinking in my previous post). Still, like the others Grey’s ‘studio’ debut didn’t do much for her. But I’ll give her credit for not going back to porn like a lot (maybe all?) of the others when they realized how low the ceiling was for them. I’d simply be interested in seeing West acknowledge realities like this in his movie, as it would kinda fit the character – and even nod at Pearl’s tendencies a bit – especially as I’m assuming Maxine will be portrayed as something of a cutthroat when it comes to achieving her goals, moreso if they turn out to be out of reach. (btw, splitting hairs can be legitimate discussion. Thought that’s what half the conversations in this forum are, really. )
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(btw, splitting hairs can be legitimate discussion. Thought that’s what half the conversations in this forum are, really. )

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Looks good, but as I wondered much earlier in this thread, they appear to be sidelining the porn aspect early on, which makes me wonder if there was ever a correlation in reality of an adult film actress ever having a a snowball’s (ahem) chance successfully crossing over into horror movies, or movies in general, with the kind of zeal Maxine displays. I am aware of a number of porn stars who tried to move into mainstream B productions, but only one or two ever had much success, while many others invariably failed because of their associations. I suppose that could be the gist of this, her running into sleazy obstacles that need to be taken out, so that might make it interesting. It’s just that seeing that ‘XXX’ in the title of a film about the world of low-budget horror movies seems like a bit of a disconnect. But hey, I liked the first two well enough, so I know I’ll get to this one eventually.
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Hollywood is very much against letting porn stars into their sandbox. The best they can usually get is playing a porn star or stripper, or maybe roles small indies films like Sasha Grey. Traci Lords is really the only who was able to cross over into the mainstream, and even then she had a victimized by the industry card to give her deniability. Or, more likely, the fact that you couldn't buy or rent her movies and the porn industry couldn't cross-promote her mainstream appearances to push their XXX content. So Sasha Grey is never going to appear in a Marvel or Star Wars movie because if she did, it would be like See the STAR of Marvel's The Eternals in Cum Fart Cocktails 5 or Watch Rey Skywalker get down and dirty in Asseaters Unanimous!
And so we go from the perfectly reasonable and correct observations that, unlike what Maxine envisions for herself going from porn to mainstream stardom, this does not happen in the real Hollywood film industry to the spin position that adult film actresses do get mainstream acting roles.

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That's just splitting hairs or nitpicking at that point. There are several precedents of porn stars breaking into mainstream acting roles from the aforementioned Chambers to Sasha Grey more recently.
Maxine does not want to get mainstream acting roles. She does not want to turn up in a bit part on "Married With Children." She doesn't want to play a stripper or hooker in a scene in a Steven Seagal movie. She doesn't want to be cast for camp value in a comedy.

Maxine wants to be a star. She wants to be Melanie Griffith.

Yes, adult film actresses get work in mainstream productions. But they don't become stars. They don't even really become successful non-porn actresses. Even the almost exception that proves the rule --Sasha Grey, never achieved real mainstream success as an actress.
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Re: MaXXXine (2024, D: Ti West) -- X sequel -- S: Mia Goth

On the flip side you could probably name several who resorted to nudity/porn after being fairly mainstream or at least well known for being famous at one point...
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And so we go from the perfectly reasonable and correct observations that, unlike what Maxine envisions for herself going from porn to mainstream stardom, this does not happen in the real Hollywood film industry to the spin position that adult film actresses do get mainstream acting roles.

Maxine does not want to get mainstream acting roles. She does not want to turn up in a bit part on "Married With Children." She doesn't want to play a stripper or hooker in a scene in a Steven Seagal movie. She doesn't want to be cast for camp value in a comedy.

Maxine wants to be a star. She wants to be Melanie Griffith.

Yes, adult film actresses get work in mainstream productions. But they don't become stars. They don't even really become successful non-porn actresses. Even the almost exception that proves the rule --Sasha Grey, never achieved real mainstream success as an actress.
Okay. When she said she wanted to be a star at the beginning of X, I never got the impression that she wanted to break into mainstream performances. She calls herself a sex symbol in the same moment so I figured she just wanted to reach the heights of the adult film industry. With the reveal that her father was a preacher, I assumed there was something of a rebellious streak that motivated her to turn to the adult film industry.

In the Maxxxine trailer, the casting director asks if she always wanted to be in that line of work and she replies that she wanted to be famous. You can be famous as a porn star. Riley Reid is probably just as well known as most leading ladies in mainstream movies today. There's a line in the trailer about how many stars got their start in horror. I think we're forgetting that in the 70s and 80s, horror was looked down upon by the rest of the industry, as just a step above pornography. It's become embraced more today but people still use terms like "elevated horror" in an attempt to separate it from a genre that many people still consider trash.

Looking at Maxxxine's optimism and perhaps narcissism, it isn't a leap to see her comparing herself to people Jamie Lee Curtis, who started in low budget horror and became a star in more respected genres. So I'm not sure the precedent is all that necessary for this conversation. I would argue that porn actors can become stars without transitioning to mainstream cinema, but if we think that's Maxxxine's goal in the new film, then she might believe that she could be one of the first adult film stars to become a major force in non-pornographic movies. And considering the scene in the trailer about horror actors breaking into other genres, it sounds like this all might be addressed in the movie anyway.
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Riley Reid is probably just as well known as most leading ladies in mainstream movies today.
Please post all the pictures of Riley Reid walking red carpets (that are not the AVN Awards), attending celebrity events (that are not porn-related), or appearing on talk shows.

That's what it means to be a famous actress aka a movie star.

Being well known does not matter. Rachel Maddow and Sean Hannity are well known, even famous. They are not movie stars.

Clearly and obviously, Maxine wants to go from being a porn star to being a mainstream movie star

The premise of the original question was are there examples of actresses transitioning from porn to successful careers as mainstream actresses. The answer is no.
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Brother, being well known is famous.
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Either way here's an example: Sibel Kekilli went from hardcore pornography to becoming an award winning actress.
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Brother, being well known is famous.
Yes, try to spin it. Maxine does not want to just be famous. She wants to be a movie star. Kristi Noem is famous. Julia Roberts is a movie star. Maxine wants to be Julia Roberts, not just someone who's name people know.

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Either way here's an example: Sibel Kekilli went from hardcore pornography to becoming an award winning actress.
Since I had to Google who that was, I'm going to say she is not very famous. And again, no spin. This is about the Hollywood film industry. They can do whatever the fuck they want in Germany, and as history has proven, Americans don't give a fuck.

Try discussing the subject without altering the premise and parameters of the discussion, and see how that goes for you.
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Riley Reid

No clue who she is.
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Yes, try to spin it. Maxine does not want to just be famous. She wants to be a movie star. Kristi Noem is famous. Julia Roberts is a movie star. Maxine wants to be Julia Roberts, not just someone who's name people know.
What are you referring to when you say she wants to be a movie star? I referenced the quote from X where she's saying she wants to be a star in the context of at the adult film industry. In the trailer for Maxxxine it shows her auditioning for mainstream roles. I listed real life examples of porn stars that got roles in non porn films and you're telling me that's not good enough for Maxine and I don't agree. Getting minor roles in mainstream movies would be the first step to becoming a star in Hollywood. It's a process.


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Since I had to Google who that was, I'm going to say she is not very famous. And again, no spin. This is about the Hollywood film industry. They can do whatever the fuck they want in Germany, and as history has proven, Americans don't give a fuck.

Try discussing the subject without altering the premise and parameters of the discussion, and see how that goes for you.
You're being a dick for no good reason, lol.
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You can be famous as a porn star. Riley Reid is probably just as well known as most leading ladies in mainstream movies today.
Nobody who isn't a raincoater has any idea who Riley Reid is.

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Nobody who isn't a raincoater has any idea who Riley Reid is.
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I think all the arguments here are valid — and it’s a worthwhile discussion — at least until we see where West goes with it. As Dooku says, Maxine does seem like precisely the kind of character who, probably delusionally, thinks she can transcend her hardcore roots and become a capital-S ‘Star’ in mainstream 80’s Hollywood (that shot of her being adored at Graumann’s theater might be a dream sequence). That’s a solid hook, especially in this franchise, and as I said it would nicely echo Pearl’s own belief that she was so much better than her current existence.

But like Pearl, I want to see Maxine slapped down by reality for her mercenary efforts as that would make her an entertaining villain, just as Pearl was in the other two films. The trailer does seem to hint that she might be killing to achieve her goals, as Pearl did, and I do hope that’s the case. I think it might be interesting if she uses the Night Stalker’s murders as cover for her own. Or, just make her the Night Stalker! As Dex noted: fictional characters. And framing a murder spree as Maxine’s outsized reaction to her rude awakening that porn stars don’t really get to become ‘studio’ Movie Stars in the 80’s (or now, with the exception of Lords, barely) would be a smart move on West’s part and in keeping with the theme of the franchise.

Conspiring against that, though, at least in the trailer, is the fact that other people in Maxine’s orbit, like DeBicki’s director character, seem to think that considering a high-ranking fuck machine for the lead in mainstream horror film is just business as usual. And that just strikes me as improbable if they don’t follow through and shatter those dreams, as would have happened to similar 80’s porn-film dreamers when, at best, they’d briefly end up in D-grade schlock or barely-glimpsed as background extras in mainstream fare (52 PICKUP comes to mind) before schlepping back to porn.

(incidentally, I am familiar with Riley Reid. Let me just grab my raincoat. She definitely goes, uhh, all in. And she certainly has a degree of ‘fame’ as a result, albeit within those circles. Nobody in their right mind would consider her as a potential headliner for, say, a Blumhouse horror franchise, even if she suddenly decided she deserved the opportunity)

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Reviews starting to drop: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/maxxxine

There is an early preview screening next Wednesday at 7pm before the official opening.
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Out this week.

A24 seems to have put a decent chunk of money into marketing.

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