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Re: MaXXXine (2024, D: Ti West) -- X sequel -- S: Mia Goth






DIRECTOR: Ti West
CAST: Mia Goth, Elizabeth Debicki, Moses Sumney, Michelle Monaghan, Bobby Cannavale, Halsey, Lily Collins, Giancarlo Esposito and Kevin Bacon.

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Re: MaXXXine (2024, D: Ti West) -- X sequel -- S: Mia Goth

Looking good. 80's mixed with Giallo. Giancarlo is in this? Nice! Bacon laying it on thick. That line about actors who made it big from horror could also include Bacon.
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I liked the beginning of the trailer giving me Body Double vibes.

I like Mia Goth and how she looks. She reminds me of a past girlfriend. But I was surprised to learn she was a model. Every actress does not have to look like Sydney Sweeney, but Goth is (I'll go with) unconventional for a young leading lady.
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Re: MaXXXine (2024, D: Ti West) -- X sequel -- S: Mia Goth

What a cast. This looks like it will be the best out of the three hopefully. I'm really liking the look of this film as well.
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Looks good, but as I wondered much earlier in this thread, they appear to be sidelining the porn aspect early on, which makes me wonder if there was ever a correlation in reality of an adult film actress ever having a a snowball’s (ahem) chance successfully crossing over into horror movies, or movies in general, with the kind of zeal Maxine displays. I am aware of a number of porn stars who tried to move into mainstream B productions, but only one or two ever had much success, while many others invariably failed because of their associations. I suppose that could be the gist of this, her running into sleazy obstacles that need to be taken out, so that might make it interesting. It’s just that seeing that ‘XXX’ in the title of a film about the world of low-budget horror movies seems like a bit of a disconnect. But hey, I liked the first two well enough, so I know I’ll get to this one eventually.
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Re: MaXXXine (2024, D: Ti West) -- X sequel -- S: Mia Goth

I have streaming access to both X and Pearl but thinking of watching them in chronological order. Would that enhance my enjoyment or would it zap mystery from them both?
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Re: MaXXXine (2024, D: Ti West) -- X sequel -- S: Mia Goth

Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
I have streaming access to both X and Pearl but thinking of watching them in chronological order. Would that enhance my enjoyment or would it zap mystery from them both?
You should watch them in the production order. Chronological would only make it worse, not better.
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Production Design looks fantastic.

I wonder much the Night Stalker stuff will factor into the overall plot.
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Re: MaXXXine (2024, D: Ti West) -- X sequel -- S: Mia Goth

I'm looking forward to this. I'm in the minority with this series. I really liked X even though it had some pretty grotesque (non-violent) content and I thought Pearl was super dull.

But, I'm all in favor of a grungy 80s period movie of this dark and seedy world.
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Re: MaXXXine (2024, D: Ti West) -- X sequel -- S: Mia Goth

Originally Posted by Brian T
Looks good, but as I wondered much earlier in this thread, they appear to be sidelining the porn aspect early on, which makes me wonder if there was ever a correlation in reality of an adult film actress ever having a a snowball’s (ahem) chance successfully crossing over into horror movies, or movies in general, with the kind of zeal Maxine displays. I am aware of a number of porn stars who tried to move into mainstream B productions, but only one or two ever had much success, while many others invariably failed because of their associations.
Hollywood is very much against letting porn stars into their sandbox. The best they can usually get is playing a porn star or stripper, or maybe roles small indies films like Sasha Grey. Traci Lords is really the only who was able to cross over into the mainstream, and even then she had a victimized by the industry card to give her deniability. Or, more likely, the fact that you couldn't buy or rent her movies and the porn industry couldn't cross-promote her mainstream appearances to push their XXX content. So Sasha Grey is never going to appear in a Marvel or Star Wars movie because if she did, it would be like See the STAR of Marvel's The Eternals in Cum Fart Cocktails 5 or Watch Rey Skywalker get down and dirty in Asseaters Unanimous!
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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Hollywood is very much against letting porn stars into their sandbox. The best they can usually get is playing a porn star or stripper, or maybe roles small indies films like Sasha Grey. Traci Lords is really the only who was able to cross over into the mainstream, and even then she had a victimized by the industry card to give her deniability. Or, more likely, the fact that you couldn't buy or rent her movies and the porn industry couldn't cross-promote her mainstream appearances to push their XXX content. So Sasha Grey is never going to appear in a Marvel or Star Wars movie because if she did, it would be like See the STAR of Marvel's The Eternals in Cum Fart Cocktails 5 or Watch Rey Skywalker get down and dirty in Asseaters Unanimous!
Exactly. And Traci Lords was one that I thought of as having even a remotely significant post-porn career, even landing in the odd studio picture, but she was never a “star” and pretty quickly settled in to forgettable DTV fare. Ginger Lynn Allen also had some roles in B- and lower-A fare in the late 80’s and into the 90’s, but eventually went back to porn. According to IMDb she’s currently back in b-movies again, presumably because she finally aged out (?). I’d forgotten about Sasha Grey. I never understood her whole trajectory. Interesting look, but just nothing there in any of her crossover stuff, no charisma, talent, nothing. And her claims of her porn work being feminist “performance art” or whatever were hilarious.

Still, I do think there could be an interesting angle there for MAXXXINE, as it appears other characters do acknowledge the character’s porno past. And considering how delusional the Pearl character was in terms of her dreams of a stardom she was destined never to achieve, I do hope that that aspect carries over to Maxine as it would be a reasonably accurate reflection of so many dim-bulb porn stars — beyond the three above — who honestly thought fuck films would lead to real films and then “stardom”. Perhaps Maxine will start to realize how doomed she is and that will be what makes her snap. Guess we’ll see, but the potential is certainly there. I hope the whole thing isn’t entirely about the cut-throat nature of Hollywood, as that’s kinda been done to death.

EDIT: Interesting you mention Lords’ “deniability card”. The Rialto Report did an interesting podcast series about her a while back, and literally everybody interviewed in it — from her high school boyfriend and other relatives to a herd of top industry names — confirmed that she knew exactly what she was doing back then, was aggressively competitive, seduced people off the set, loved the work, you name it. She was literally a willing and active participant, but yeah, she probably had that card prepped the whole time so she could claim otherwise in books and on talk shows later on. That’s the kind of stuff that would make a character like Maxine quite interesting (well, without the seedy underage crap).

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Re: MaXXXine (2024, D: Ti West) -- X sequel -- S: Mia Goth

Chloe Cherry is on Euphoria, not playing a version of a porn star, so maybe that will lead to some kind of mainstream career, but in general, there is no reason to cast porn actresses in mainstream acting roles because there are plenty of sexy (real) actresses to take those parts.

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Re: MaXXXine (2024, D: Ti West) -- X sequel -- S: Mia Goth

Originally Posted by DJariya
I'm looking forward to this. I'm in the minority with this series. I really liked X even though it had some pretty grotesque (non-violent) content and I thought Pearl was super dull.

But, I'm all in favor of a grungy 80s period movie of this dark and seedy world.
You and I are on the exact same page.
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Re: MaXXXine (2024, D: Ti West) -- X sequel -- S: Mia Goth

Originally Posted by DJariya
I'm looking forward to this. I'm in the minority with this series. I really liked X even though it had some pretty grotesque (non-violent) content and I thought Pearl was super dull.

But, I'm all in favor of a grungy 80s period movie of this dark and seedy world.
I agree that Pearl was slower paced than X - but still thought it was excellent.

I felt that Mia Goth deserved an Academy Award nomination just based on her 8 1/2-minute monologue near the end of Pearl.
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Originally Posted by Kmical
I felt that Mia Goth deserved an Academy Award nomination just based on her 8 1/2-minute monologue near the end of Pearl.
I must have slept through that part.
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Originally Posted by Kmical
I felt that Mia Goth deserved an Academy Award nomination just based on her 8 1/2-minute monologue near the end of Pearl.
There was a lot of talk about that at the time, even after the TIFF premiere, and it was absolutely the highlight of the film. But it’s a horror movie, so she likely never would’ve been a contender.
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Did A24 attempt any sort of For Your Consideration advertising for Goth or Pearl?
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Re: MaXXXine (2024, D: Ti West) -- X sequel -- S: Mia Goth

If it had been Jenna Ortega giving that performance, guaranteed Oscar nom.
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Originally Posted by Count Dooku
Did A24 attempt any sort of For Your Consideration advertising for Goth or Pearl?
Not sure, but I would think they must have considering the coverage that the ‘snub’ got at the time, including from Goth herself. Googling “A24 Pearl Mia Goth Academy Award” brings up a remarkable number of articles and discussions from the time regarding the subject. The general consensus, as I noted, was that horror films of this stripe just don’t cut it with the academy:

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/m...235503214/amp/
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A24 put most of their eggs in the EEAAO basket that year.
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Not sure, but I would think they must have considering the coverage that the ‘snub’ got at the time, including from Goth herself. Googling “A24 Pearl Mia Goth Academy Award” brings up a remarkable number of articles and discussions from the time regarding the subject. The general consensus, as I noted, was that horror films of this stripe just don’t cut it with the academy:

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/m...235503214/amp/
Well, it was not "a snub" if A24 never tried to get her a nomination and no one in the industry was expecting her to get a nomination. What you have are fans of the genre, who are very vocal on social media, complaining that they thought she deserved a nomination. And then she adds some fuel to the fire by commenting on it (in a Twitter interview).

It is not untrue that the Oscars have no use for genre films unless they become huge box office hits, just like they have no use for broad comedic performances.
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Originally Posted by Count Dooku
Well, it was not "a snub" if A24 never tried to get her a nomination and no one in the industry was expecting her to get a nomination. What you have are fans of the genre, who are very vocal on social media, complaining that they thought she deserved a nomination. And then she adds some fuel to the fire by commenting on it (in a Twitter interview).
It wasn’t just “fans on the internet”, and if you’re only going by the link I provided, instead of searching by using the term I suggested (or anything similar), then you’re on your own. As I said, I don’t know what A24 did in this case. I don’t follow ‘nomination ads’ or whatever they’re called. If they didn’t think to capitalize on the word-of-mouth generated by way more than “fans on the internet”, well that’s their loss. Even if she was nominated, she would probably have lost to someone else, but just to push for a nomination of a performance like this, in a film like this, would’ve been a step toward getting horror films out of the genre ghetto. Because sometimes, believe it or not, they produce characterizations and moments that exceed genre expectations. I’d wager if the BARBIE movie was made in, say, the 1990’s, neither it nor its performers (and their broad comedic performances) wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near the ceremony back then. So clearly awards ceremonies, including the top one, have become a more inclusive over the years, but horror apparently still doesn’t deserve a break.
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Originally Posted by Brian T
It wasn’t just “fans on the internet”, and if you’re only going by the link I provided, instead of searching by using the term I suggested (or anything similar), then you’re on your own. As I said, I don’t know what A24 did in this case. I don’t follow ‘nomination ads’ or whatever they’re called. If they didn’t think to capitalize on the word-of-mouth generated by way more than “fans on the internet”, well that’s their loss. Even if she was nominated, she would probably have lost to someone else, but just to push for a nomination of a performance like this, in a film like this, would’ve been a step toward getting horror films out of the genre ghetto. Because sometimes, believe it or not, they produce characterizations and moments that exceed genre expectations. I’d wager if the BARBIE movie was made in, say, the 1990’s, neither it nor its performers (and their broad comedic performances) wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near the ceremony back then. So clearly awards ceremonies, including the top one, have become a more inclusive over the years, but horror apparently still doesn’t deserve a break.
I searched "Mia Goth Pearl Oscar nomination"

Almost every result was connected to that Twitter interview with Goth in January or an interview Ti West gave in March. And all the stories were on (what I would call) film geek websites with a special interest in pop culture and genre movies. There was a Variety story from when Pearl was released praising Goth and saying she deserves an Oscar nomination. What I did not find were articles from December of 2022 and early January of 2023 talking about the prospects of Goth getting a nomination. This even though she was nominated for a Spirit Award.

Did Goth give a great performance that deserved to be recognized with an Oscar nomination? That's entirely a matter of opinion.

What is not a matter of opinion is that Oscar nominations (and wins) result from campaigns. If nobody spends the money and does the work to put a performer in the conversation when the nominations are being voted upon, then they are not in contention to have their work recognized.

I mean, seriously, A24 could have sent a screener of Pearl to every Academy member, but they were not ever going to watch it. Pearl and Goth were not being recognized by the major critics groups, and the movie did not make a mark at the box office. There's just no reason for anyone to think it was ever on the radar of the general membership of the Academy.

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Originally Posted by Count Dooku
Did Goth give a great performance that deserved to be recognized with an Oscar nomination? That's entirely a matter of opinion.
And since that applies to every actor nominated for an Oscar ever, I totally understand anyone wanting to negate her performance. Lots of people didn’t like it, surely, so you’re hardly alone. But, lots of people did, and they weren’t only “internet fans” at film geek websites (and really, so what if some of them were?).

I never believed she was a promoted contender who got snubbed (post #73 says nothing of the sort). I simply acknowledged that there were strong notices given to her performance — including by high-ranking critics who both liked and disliked the film itself — well before A24 decided not to promote her, and well before the nominations were released, and well before her Twitter interview. Those notices were even touched on in the PEARL thread as I recall. And so, your search all this time later (using my search term to make a boldfaced point) turned up literally nothing but news items that referenced that one interview she gave or another with West. Mine — especially when the film was still a new thing, which is kinda what prompted me to suggest it — turned up articles and reviews that suggested that she gave a performance that was worth consideration, at least. And I simply agree with that. You and others don’t, but we could have that debate about any actor, ever, honestly.

I admitted I didn’t know what A24 did or didn’t do (and frankly I don’t care because I don’t put much importance in Big Awards for precisely the reasons you mentioned – it’s all about the marketing hustle). I assumed last year that A24 didn’t bother sending out screeners or posting ads all over the trade sites because, let’s face it, it’s a horror movie. Had they done that, though, I think (personal opinion alert!!! ) that they might’ve had a modest chance of scoring her a nomination, though not a win.

Here’s the amusing part. I don’t like Goth as an actress, and even in interviews she kinda pits
me off as a person. I can’t put my finger on it. Probably just a personality thing. Most of her performances that I’ve seen (X, PEARL, INFINITY POOL, NYMPHOMANIAC, etc.) seem like extensions of the way she might be in real life (and based on that head-kicking incident on the set of this film, one has to wonder), but of her often weirdo roles, this one simply stood out above the others, and among roles for women in horror in general. My only point in daring (apparently) to bring it up, was that it simply would’ve been cool to finally see a strong performance from a horror film nominated for an Oscar, that’s all. But as you say, it’s all a matter of opinion.

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