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DJariya 11-10-24 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterMike (Post 14508357)
Seriously on the Kathleen Kennedy comment? Gee. I think she needs to move on and they ought put someone else in charge of Star Wars for a while. But, this trilogy won’t come out anyways. And the guy they chose to direct doesn’t exactly have a glowing resume either. They just keep throwing unqualified and uninspiring people at these projects. Maybe they can get Leslie Headlamp to do it? :lol:

Kinberg isn’t directing. He’s writing and producing.

MisterMike 11-10-24 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 14508437)
Kinberg isn’t directing. He’s writing and producing.

My bad - but the feeling stands that hes a bad choice for this. Writing is arguably even more important. This guy has no cred.

DJariya 11-10-24 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterMike (Post 14508440)
My bad - but the feeling stands that hes a bad choice for this. Writing is arguably even more important. This guy has no cred.

He created and wrote many episodes of Star Wars Rebels. He definitely has credibility in the SW world.

Josh-da-man 11-10-24 01:46 PM

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It will probably never happen because I'm sure Mickey Mouse has everyone involve NDAed up tighter than a gnat's ass, but I'd love to see a book or documentary series -- like Icons Unearthed -- about all of the behind-the-scenes stuff that went on at Lucasfilm after the Disney purchase -- why all of the directors were fired, why so many projects were cancelled, why almost everything they put out ended up being so shitty, what went so horribly, horribly wrong.

I have a feeling it would be absolutely fascinating.

Michael Corvin 11-10-24 03:03 PM

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Yeah, whatever happened with Jenkins' Rogue Squadron? It was a go, then on hold for Wonder Woman, then back on once WW3 wasn't happening. I'm assuming that one's dead too.

Jay G. 11-10-24 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Corvin (Post 14508555)
Yeah, whatever happened with Jenkins' Rogue Squadron? It was a go, then on hold for Wonder Woman, then back on once WW3 wasn't happening. I'm assuming that one's dead too.

The last news on Rogue Squadron was from March, where Jenkins said she was working on the script:
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/p...ed-1235941798/

Abob Teff 11-10-24 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Artman (Post 14507439)
An actual planned out trilogy is indeed the way imo. Now, if it's truly about new characters than I don't see why it needs to be sequels, I'd rather they just springboard off of Mangold's origin film and start from the beginning.

No. NO more trilogies. Not everything has to be or is a trilogy! Force's sake already, stop with the trilogy shit. I will lightsaber hilt whip the next person who says trilogy!

Yes, a planned out approach would be very welcome. As long as that plan isn't a . . .

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Abob Teff 11-10-24 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 14508444)
He created and wrote many episodes of Star Wars Rebels. He definitely has credibility in the SW world.

That doesn't hold the power that you think it does. At least, not with my Star Wars.

I suppose it does with the cartoon generation.

(And I say that as somebody who found Rebels to be relatively enjoyable, unlike everything else in that universe.)

MisterMike 11-11-24 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 14508444)
He created and wrote many episodes of Star Wars Rebels. He definitely has credibility in the SW world.

Well, that’s fine but cartoons and feature length films don’t have a ton in common. I don’t think he’s the "guy" but we’ll see. Actually, this won’t happen, we know it. ;).


Originally Posted by Abob Teff (Post 14508620)
That doesn't hold the power that you think it does. At least, not with my Star Wars.

I suppose it does with the cartoon generation.

(And I say that as somebody who found Rebels to be relatively enjoyable, unlike everything else in that universe.)

Agreed. I am happy that the expanded universe exists for those that are into it with these cartoons, video games, etc. But, the movies are my wheelhouse and that’s all I really care about. Yeah, a few TV shows have been good but those aren’t must watch either. So, having some cartoon episodes under your belt doesn’t really qualify you to helm a trilogy.

Jay G. 11-11-24 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Abob Teff (Post 14508616)
No. NO more trilogies. Not everything has to be or is a trilogy! Force's sake already, stop with the trilogy shit. I will lightsaber hilt whip the next person who says trilogy!

One possibility is to make a solid standalone movie that leaves open the possibility of sequels, and then if the first movie is any good, make more of it. You know, like the original Star Wars.

I think Lucasfilm was angling for that approach with Solo, as the whole Crimson Dawn thing seemed like way more setup than needed for a standalone film. But that film bombed, so they didn't make more of that story.

Timber 11-11-24 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterMike (Post 14508357)
Seriously on the Kathleen Kennedy comment? Gee. I think she needs to move on and they ought put someone else in charge of Star Wars for a while. But, this trilogy won’t come out anyways. And the guy they chose to direct doesn’t exactly have a glowing resume either. They just keep throwing unqualified and uninspiring people at these projects. Maybe they can get Leslie Headlamp to do it? :lol:

Absolutely not serious. She’s destroyed Star Wars as I k ew it and I have no faith in her breathing any life into it going forward.

dex14 11-12-24 07:08 AM

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Why Lucasfilm Entrusted Simon Kinberg to Pilot the Next ‘Star Wars’ Movies

When news broke on Thursday that Simon Kinberg — best known for being a writer, producer, director or all of the above on much of the “X-Men” franchise — had been hired by Lucasfilm to write and produce a new “Star Wars” trilogy, it came as a surprise to many executives at Lucasfilm and Disney. The project is considered internally to be in deep development and not nearly ready to be made public.

There was also some surprise within the wider industry that Lucasfilm had turned to Kinberg as the newest steward of “Star Wars” on the big screen. According to multiple industry sources with experience working in the franchise space, Kinberg is seen on one level as a sensible and safe choice. Starting with 2005’s “XXX: State of the Union” and “Mr. and Mrs. Smith,” his films as a screenwriter have grossed more than $3.3 billion worldwide. Beyond the “X-Men” films, he’s also produced “Cinderella,” “The Martian” and Kenneth Branagh’s three Hercule Poirot films, all to ample success. He’s said to understand how to talk to film executives about franchise filmmaking in a way that allays their concerns about creative decisions affecting the costly bottom line for these kinds of projects.

On another level, however, Kinberg is regarded by some as a considerably risky bet. “Dark Phoenix,” his directorial debut in 2019, was the lowest-grossing and the worst-reviewed film in the “X-Men” franchise to that point. Kinberg also produced the final “X-Men” movie, “The New Mutants,” which was delayed so frequently — due to an inauspicious brew of creative concerns and Disney’s acquisition of 20th Century Fox — that the film wound up getting dumped as the first major wide release during the pandemic. Now that “X-Men” is firmly under the auspices of Marvel Studios, Kinberg has labored to recreate his earlier success. His next (and, to date, last) effort as a director, 2022’s spy thriller “The 355” with Jessica Chastain, was a financial disaster, grossing just $18.9 million worldwide.

Lucasfilm, meanwhile, has faced substantial difficulty launching a comprehensive film slate following 2019’s “Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker”; to date, only “The Mandalorian & Grogu,” a spin-off of the popular Disney+ series “The Mandalorian,” has received an official greenlight. So given Kinberg’s recent track record, what would lead Lucasfilm to enlist him to pilot a new fleet of “Star Wars” movies?

One major factor, says one source with knowledge of the deal, is Kinberg’s continuing creative relationship with Lucasfilm creative executive Carrie Beck and chief creative officer Dave Filoni, who both worked with Kinberg on the well-regarded 2014-2018 animated series “Star Wars Rebels.” Lucasfilm chief Kathleen Kennedy, however, was the one who made the outreach to Kinberg about making a live-action “Star Wars” movie. She’d already brought him into the “Star Wars” fold, once in 2012 as part of a brain trust with screenwriters Michael Arndt and Lawrence Kasdan to map out early ideas for Disney’s first three “Star Wars” movies — work that was largely discarded after 2015’s “Star Wars: The Force Awakens.” Kinberg was tapped again in 2018 to write a standalone Boba Fett feature with director James Mangold, but they were never able to submit a full script. The box office failure of “Solo: A Star Wars Story” that year coupled with Disney’s new mandate to create content for its upcoming streaming service caused Kennedy to shift the studio’s “Star Wars” strategy away from standalone movies. The Boba Fett film was canceled just months after Mangold and Kinberg were hired.

Studio insiders also stress that, while media reports have claimed that Kinberg’s “Star Wars” movies will continue the Skywalker Saga as Episodes X, XI and XII, the films are in their most nascent stage. Kinberg’s efforts are meant to create a new saga, but as is the case with virtually all script development, specific plot details and characters are light years away from taking their final shape, let alone arrive in theaters.

Kinberg is also already committed to helping revive another celebrated sci-fi franchise that has hit a fallow period, signing on to produce what Paramount’s aims will be its next “Star Trek” movie, directed by Toby Haynes and written by Seth Grahame-Smith. And Kinberg is producing Edgar Wright’s “The Running Man” with Glen Powell, which Paramount has slated for November 2025. Given the abundant time and commitment it takes to mount one “Star Wars” movie, let alone three, whatever Kinberg’s “Star Wars” movies wind up being, they are likely far, far away into the future.
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/s...lm-1236205529/

rocket1312 11-12-24 08:27 AM

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While I was happy to take a shot at Kinberg up thread when the news broke, the truth is that anyone in this position pretty much faces an impossible task. Just reading through that article made my head spin. Most of it wasn't new information, but seeing it all laid out like that was a good reminder that the whole business of franchise filmmaking for a giant corporation is a massive cluster and it's a miracle that anything good ever comes out of that ecosystem.

DJariya 11-12-24 11:40 AM

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Man, they could fucking hire David Mamet and some nerd will nitpick and say its a dumb hire :lol:

Would Larry Kasdan be the best guy? He’s old school Star Wars.

Josh-da-man 11-12-24 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 14509263)
Man, the could fucking hire David Mamet and some nerd will nitpick and say its a dumb hire :lol:

Not to be that nerd, but I'm not sure how well Mamet's talents would translate to franchise science fiction/fantasy. Mamet has his wheelhouse, and it's almost entirely grounded in contemporary cultural interests.

I could say the same thing about Stephen King and he's an actual genre writer.

Also, I don't think Mamet would survive very long navigating the current Lucasfilm labyrinth.



dex14 11-12-24 03:22 PM

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Forget the Death Star, the most coveted weapon in the Star Wars movie arsenal is the character of Rey Skywalker.

Since the Nov. 7 reveal that Simon Kinberg had signed on to develop and write and produce a new Star Wars trilogy for Lucasfilm and Disney, debate has focused on whether or not it would be a continuation of the so-called nine-film Skywalker Saga, tying it to the legacy of Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader and storylines first laid out by George Lucas in 1977. The reason for the debate is that the new, hoped-for trilogy would feature Rey in some form or fashion.

Some fans have expressed criticism that Lucasfilm would return to the well to make “episodes,” as they are called, beyond the nine movies that comprise the Skywalker story, which had been billed as concluding with 2019’s Star Wars: Episode IX – The Rise of Skywalker. That film grossed $1.077 billion globally but also wasn’t received well by much of the fanbase (it received a B+ grade from audiences polled by CinemaScore and a 51 percent critics tally at Rotten Tomatoes).

But Rey, the scavenger-turned-Jedi played by Daisy Ridley in the last three episode movies, is key to the franchise’s next turn. That potentially puts Kinberg’s trilogy story development, as early in its conceptual stages as it may be, on a collision course with the Rey standalone movie that is actively in the works with director Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy.

That feature, revealed with fanfare in April 2023 at Star Wars Celebration in London, is to star Ridley and could have already been in production were it not for some unanticipated headwinds, with writers rotating around more than R2-D2’s chrome dome. A new writer search is underway so it’s unclear when that one would go.

Perhaps that is why Lucasfilm was receptive to Kinberg’s multi-story pitch. Anything to move Rey forward. But it does engender rumors in the Star Wars underground of filmmakers jostling for characters. (Ridley, for her part, recently told The Hollywood Reporter, “I feel like the new one/new ones will be so interesting. Time has passed and a lot has changed for me, personally, so it’ll be interesting to come back to someone who I know so well, but in such a different moment.”)

While insiders dispute the notion that there is a battle for Rey, there definitely is internal deliberation within Lucasfilm as to what do with the heir to Skywalker next. “She is the most valuable cinematic asset, in some ways maybe the only one, Star Wars has right now,” one source close to the franchise tells THR. (Pedro Pascal’s Mandalorian and the Yoda-like Grogu are Disney+ creations and will have their big-screen power tested with a feature directed by Jon Favreau, releasing in 2026.)

According to sources, Rey is set to play a role in several movies that are being developed, although which ones remains unclear.

Star Wars movie development has been under scrutiny for several years with Lucasfilm head Kathleen Kennedy taking fire for not developing meaningful characters beyond those first created by Lucas prior to the sale to Disney in 2012 for $4 billion. And if the franchise looks forward in its canon timeline, all those beloved characters — Luke, Leia, Vader, Obi-Wan, Yoda and Han — are dead or had their storylines wrapped in prequels or spinoffs. Rey, created in the post-Lucas era, is arguably the only entity with currency on the big screen now. “The closet is a little bare,” says another source.

What the Kinberg hiring lays bare is that development of movies at the company remains its own unique ecosystem in Hollywood. There are numerous Star Wars movies being developed that overlap characters or timelines. They are not related but whatever one were to come out first, could, in a domino effect, then impact the ones after it. (James Mangold’s “Dawn of the Jedi” movie that takes places long before the Skywalkers may be one of the exceptions.)

Some Lucasfilm directors are aware of what others are working on while others are not. For instance, Taika Waititi is working on a Star Wars movie, Shawn Levy has a feature project in the works and Donald Glover’s Lando idea has moved over development from the TV to the film side of Lucasfilm. A Rogue Squadron project is also still in development as a feature.

“It’s a different way of development,” says another insider familiar with the company’s way of working. “There’s so much parallel work going on.”

It also points to the unique nature of Star Wars. To fans, and in this case filmmakers and producers, it is not a brand or a franchise, but something akin to a religion. Unlike Marvel or DC, with decades of stories propelling them forward, or even Harry Potter, with seven fleshed out books, Star Wars at its core has been the original George Lucas movies. And nothing has been codified or been made more canonical in modern times than those three movies. To filmmakers and executives, the first trilogy is the Old Testament.

“You’re being asked to create the new New Testament,” adds one source who worked on previous the movies. “And no one can agree on anything and there’s a lot of second guessing about meanings.”

Another source familiar with the process is more business-minded, noting, “Star Wars is a nostalgia-based enterprise and they are running out of ways to create nostalgia.”

The television side doesn’t appear to have these problems. As several insiders note, that arm has a lot more freedom to expand Lucas’ universe, which is why there’s been a varied slate that runs, for better or worse in the eyes of fans, the gamut from Andor (season two arrives next April) to The Acolyte (not getting a season two), as well as a corner for Ahsoka creator Dave Filoni, the chief creative officer at Lucasfilm.

Adds an insider, “To make standalone movies or continuing the Skywalker Saga in any form is a fundamental question the company faces as it tries to move forward.”
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/mo...rg-1236059786/

Timber 11-12-24 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 14509263)
Man, the could fucking hire David Mamet and some nerd will nitpick and say its a dumb hire :lol:

Would Larry Kasdan be the best guy? He’s old school Star Wars.

How many good hires has DisneyLucas had?

I know the ongoing bit is that we don't like anything but how much has there been to like? Their track record leaves little benefit of the doubt in my opinion.

And hell, I'm one of the easy ones, I loved Solo, though Ashoka as good but there has been so much not to like.

IBJoel 11-12-24 04:12 PM

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I dare say that Star Wars is likely unsalvageable. Disney will only churn out soulless corporate dreck content going forward and any outsider that aligns with George Lucas et al's original development concepts (embracing counter culture and having heroes on the fringes of society, pulling from a variety of disparate sources for inspiration) is going to be rejected by most mainstream audiences (many of them claiming "wokism").

Josh-da-man 11-12-24 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dex14 (Post 14509353)

TL;DR -- Lucasfilm is still fumbling around in the dark without any kind of vision, hiring random directors to come up with ideas that they will then reject for vague reasons.

GoldenJCJ 11-12-24 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 14509332)
Not to be that nerd, but I'm not sure how well Mamet's talents would translate to franchise science fiction/fantasy. Mamet has his wheelhouse, and it's almost entirely grounded in contemporary cultural interests.

I could say the same thing about Stephen King and he's an actual genre writer.

Also, I don't think Mamet would survive very long navigating the current Lucasfilm labyrinth.

I was waiting for this response hoping it would give me a chuckle and it did! Good job, my friend! :lol:

Josh-da-man 11-13-24 01:05 AM

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I don't think attaching A-list writers to franchise sci-fi films is generally a good idea. Look at Michael Chabon's weird, off-model first two seasons of Star Trek: Picard. And Chabon even went into it being a fan of the franchise, so he should have known what worked and what didn't.

TGM 11-13-24 06:13 AM

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how I would fix Star Wars...

put it 200-300 years in the future.

give as a male lead protagonist (sorry, don't get pissy on me folks).

have him be an offspring to a legacy character so to tug at the heart strings a little, but don't break your back trying to explain it much at all.

practical sets.

adult humor and scoundrels like the Han Solo character, less stuffy space priests like the Jedi.

if it's a trilogy have a fucking COHESIVE vision.

story 11-13-24 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TGM (Post 14509586)
have him be an offspring to a legacy character so to tug at the heart strings a little, but don't break your back trying to explain it much at all.

I think that's where many in the fandom will take issue. These days, it's all about "the lore."

It didn't begin with Lost, but fans who become obsessed with lore and origins and puzzle boxes have become more demanding and less forgiving. We used to poke fun of this with self-aware appreciation, like on SNL when Star Trek fans challenged William Shatner on a few inconsistencies in The Original Series when the creative team was just doing the best with what they have. But now, creative teams are expected to have everything meticulously detailed and intricately-woven. You have to have every origin explained, every connection laid out from the beginning, every story must be a saga.

Books aren't just books anymore.
They're sweeping series.
Shows aren't shows anymore.
​​They're multi-season story arcs.
Movies aren't movies anymore.
They're expanded universes.
We have weekly shows about weekly shows now. We have novels and conics and film shorts that become must-see supplemental material the be consumed as enlightening background information or else you cannot receuve the full benefit of the main product. We have YouTubers making a living basically giving plot synopsis of expanded universe materials to fill in the background on the lore, the lore, the lore.

The two loudest complaints I heard about The Last Jedi, which I really enjoyed, was Snoke and planning. Snoke was killed without knowing his lore. Where did he come from?! What's his deal?! What's his LORE?! About planning, they're not even planning?! They don't seem consistent in their planning?! Are they planning?! What about the LORE?! When the seemingly rushed Rise of Skywalker came out and explained Snoke was part of a clone project that was part of a phantom menace of a plan that "somehow" returned, people didn't like that. Never-ending cloning has been part of Star Wars since 1990s Dark Horse comics or 2002 movies, we just can't have that be the lore. That's the lore?! No, no, no, we wanted different lore! It's funny, some of the Star Wars shows like The Mandalorian appear to be trying to expand the lore for how we get to the sequel trilogy and people seem to by and large embrace that. You're spending time expanding the lore we didn't like with more lore? Okay! Looooore!

Many of today's fans demand you explained it all. If you don't, they turn on you. If you do but not well, they turn on you. If you do it perfectly, they say finally you did your job.

Makes you wonder what "fan" means sometimes.

Cellar Door 11-13-24 09:12 AM

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Call me crazy, but I think if they actually made a new Star Wars project with a good script, there would be less criticism. Imagine that! A good script would respect the existing lore, and expand upon it. But the whole sequel trilogy--including TFA--was terribly written. The Acolyte was terribly written. You can't keep pushing out crap and then complain that the fans are too narrow-minded. Fans liked Rogue One and Andor and the first two seasons of Mando because they were well-written stories. Let me know when Star Wars makes something that's actually good and the fans hate it and tear it apart. I haven't seen that happen yet.

Timber 11-13-24 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Cellar Door (Post 14509636)
Call me crazy, but I think if they actually made a new Star Wars project with a good script, there would be less criticism. Imagine that! A good script would respect the existing lore, and expand upon it. But the whole sequel trilogy--including TFA--was terribly written. The Acolyte was terribly written. You can't keep pushing out crap and then complain that the fans are too narrow-minded. Fans liked Rogue One and Andor and the first two seasons of Mando because they were well-written stories. Let me know when Star Wars makes something that's actually good and the fans hate it and tear it apart. I haven't seen that happen yet.

That's the problem with the whole "toxic fandom" argument. Put out good stuff and we'll eat it up. How toxic where we with Mando? They're too busy courting every other audience then what made this a franchise and don't seem to understand why fans are angry.


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