Honestly, I think this has nothing to do with why fans hated it (I was one of them one time so I know how this crowd thinks). The reason they hate the movie:

1. Luke's arc

2. Luke's arc

3. Luke's arc

4. Luke drinking milk from an aliens tits

5. Flying Leia

6. Rose (Canto Bright Sequence)

7. Snokes death

8. Rey nobody


I honestly don't think the fans that hate it have actually gotten to the overall theme of the movie and even thought about it.

I got it and I still don't like the movie.

I see arthouse fare for deep themes and an introspective view on humanity. I watch SW to see characters I have enjoyed fight with laser swords and deal with family drama. I didn't need RJ to shove some message of universal love up my ass at the expense of making an entertaining movie, which TLJ was not.

at these triggered Star Wars "fans" and their nonsense reasons why it fails for them. You're trying way too hard.

I'm not enough of a fan to debate the film much more than I have, but all criticism is valid so long as it isn't focused on trivial things like race or gender.

So are you.

Well, if Hairy Knowles' former buttmonkey says so...

In his defense, I always found his writing to be far better than Knowles' website deserved. Reading one of his reviews, and then going back to the rest of AICN, it was like whiplash from the tonal shift.

You know, you can disagree with people without attempting to trivialize them. This was unnecessary.

no shit. the only "nonsense" reason I've seen is the bullshit SJW crap. I find my reasons for hating it quite valid.

Usually when the SJW acronym makes an appearance, 99% of the user's argument is by thrown out the window by default.

But then, same as when someone uses the word "triggered". Same stupid shit.

Nah, they trivialize it all on their own, with tier entitled bullshit.

I think this 21-minute-long spoiler-filler review video does a great job summarizing everything wrong with "The Last Jedi"




(And that the reviewer mixes in a bit of humour during his critique makes it an entertaining review as well)

Not going to watch it. How is something 21 minutes long considered a summary?

A 152 minute long movie covered in 21 minutes is a "summary"

“I hated The Last Jedi so I’m going to waste another 21 minutes of my life to justify why I hated it!”


I’m starting to realize that the people who absolutely loathe this movie spend more time talking about it than the ones who actually liked it.

So anything less than the full running time of the original movie counts as a summary? If the video essay was 150 minutes long, would it still be a summary because it's still shorter?

Or is it a ratio? 14% of the original running length? So a video that's 94 1/2 minutes long covering the LOTR series is still a "summary" because it's only 14% of the full 11/4 hours running time of the extended editions?
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-co...ended-Editions

To be fair, I also didn't watch the "Why I Love the Last Jedi" video linked to a while back. I'm not interested in what various people outside this group have to say over 20-30 minutes, and people posting them are being lazy instead of stating their own opinions. If you dislike the film, fine, but at least write your own reasoning instead of copy-and-pasting someone else's that you may not agree with fully.

It's kinda humorous that the people that enjoyed it, post about heir reasons for enjoying it. People that hate it seem to have to find youtube videos or reviews that somehow validates their opinion.

I’ll say this for dhmac’s video: it’s 45 minutes shorter than the video bluelitespecial posted.

You mean this post.

I don't really care about The Last Jedi at this point. I actually liked Solo, it felt like the least offensive of Disney's Star Wars movies. I'll never acknowledge Episodes 7-9 existance, and eagerly await the rumored change in leadership at Lucasfilm.

I think there are people now who make review videos that are more entertaining than the movie being critiqued. They have actual humour that is genuinely funny in their videos, unlike Rian Johnson's completely unfunny "Yo Mama" joke that appears in a $200 million movie.

For me, a funny review of a cinematic abortion of a movie is a hell of a lot more entertaining than re-watching the cinematic abortion of a movie in question. Even now, I'd rather re-watch RedLetterMedia's Mr. Plinkett reviews of the Star Wars prequel trilogy than re-watch any of the movies of the prequel trilogy. I'd rather listening to Patton Oswalt's stand-up bit on "Death Bed" than again attempt to watch the actual movie "Death Bed" (I tried once, but didn't make it very far into it). And, of course, I love MST3K and RiffTrax.

It's the one consolation of bad movies, particularly when they are in beloved franchises - eventually, someone will make an entertaining video about it.

How about not watching either, and watching a film you enjoy instead?

I don't think I ever fully got through those. I dislike the PT, but I don't need to spend several hours dwelling on it.

Patton Oswalt's Death Bed bit has the advantage of being brief and funny, and more about the concept and the abstract idea that someone managed to have the perseverance to see that film completed.

Patton Oswalt also had a funny bit about the prequel trilogy. If he had a funny take on TLJ, I'd probably listen and enjoy that too, because his primary goal is comedy, not to validate my opinions on films via overanalysis.

Those are just putting jokes in films, and the assumption that they're bad is mostly taken as a given. They don't spend 21 minutes analyzing plot points. And as Rifftrax has shown, the movies don't even necessarily need to be bad, as they've riffed quite a number of films people widely consider good. For example, Rifftrax did The Last Jedi:
https://www.rifftrax.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi

If so, then majorjoe was off a bit, since at 75 minutes, it's 54 minutes longer than dhmac's most recent link

Still, dhmac has that beat, since he previously linked to a 3 part, 5 hour long critique.
Just based on the videos he's linked, he's spent twice as much time watching critiques of the film than he did watching the film itself. I'm guessing he's watched a lot more.

I'll be honest, I watched alot of Pro-TLJ Youtube videos and they actually helped me come around to the movie (along with fans like you guys on the internet who also liked the movie). TLJ is a very polarizing movie, especially the way it handles Luke Skywalker. So what happened is everyone sort of took a side of 'hated it' or 'loved it.' I honestly never wanted to watch the movie again last December as that is how much I hated it.

But I listened to many fans here who liked/loved it, I watched YouTube videos and what it did was open my eyes to what the movie was trying to portray in terms of the narrative, Luke, Rey vs Kylo, etc. I still don't love certain things (like the lightsaber flip), but I really enjoy the movie now (a big reason is I came around to Luke's story) and have watched it on BluRay 5 times. This never would have happened in the pre-internet days as I would have never revisited the film (much like I haven't seen Superman 4 in 30 years or Rocky 5 in 25 years, as I loathe those movies with a passion).

Well it's interesting, because there's been three different reactions recorded here.

You initially disliked the film, but wanted to like it, since you like Star Wars. So you were at least open to hearing the arguments in favor of the film, and maybe even sought them out. You also actively engaged in discussion here, giving your reasoning for your reaction, but also engaging with others' reactions.

dhmac seems to have hated the film, is fine with hating it, and is apparently seeking arguments from people that validate that opinion. dhmac doesn't seem open, at this point, to engaging in a discussion about it.

Meanwhile, I liked the film, but I neither need anyone else's opinion to validate mine, nor do I want to watch clips of people arguing against the film. However, I am interested in discussing it, and having discussions with people about their opinions, whether love or hate. So I participate in this thread, but I'm not watching many video reviews about it.

I would love to have my mind changed and am open to it. Do you have links for some of the youtube videos that helped change your mind? Because for me I wanted to love it. I was EXPECTING to love it. I loved TFA and Rogue One and was expecting more of the same especially hearing some reviewers calling it the best Star Wars since empire. I came out confused because while I enjoyed the spectacle of it and some parts to it and it was Star Wars (I mean I have to like Star Wars, I even enjoy the PT to some degree and have rewatched them) but I just couldn't see where they were taking the story and what they were going to do in the third one. Basically I was reserving judgement until eps IX comes out because I would evaluate it as a whole story. But the more I thought about it the more I disliked it and when I found out that Rian Johnson basically all over TFA and that there was NO PLAN WHATSOEVER and the leadership at Lucasfilm and KK let everyone down by not even having a basic plot down for this trilogy is when I basically lost it. So while I don't want to take anyone's enjoyment away from TLJ (I basically only discuss my dissatisfaction on here and with other people that feel the same way, I wish I could love the movie).

So if you some how hated the movie before I would love to know what videos you watched to make you change your mind. Because I would love to have my mind changed too.