Ghostbusters (2016, D: Feig)
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Um, Kristen Wiig has headlined a movie. It was called Bridesmaids, it was a blockbuster movie and was nominated for two Academy Awards.
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Edit: That said, this movie was WAY better than Independence Day - Resurgence
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Nobody liked the villain of the movie who was basically also the villain of the movie's existence? That's an odd irony... I was waiting for the deleted scene when Rowan went off about being a Men's Rights Activist!
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Plus because of the female cast it got to the point that people were making this movie out to be beyond criticisms. Remake the Karate Kid, Halloween, Robocop and bitch to your hearts content. But complain about this movie and the narrative became that you only complained about it because it has women and you must hate women.
What was said was that the disproportionate about of hate this particular movie received (and it was a lot - far more than the other movies you mentioned) probably had something to do with the female cast. You could go to the YouTube comments that made this the most disliked trailer ever and see this clearly. Yet whenever it was even suggested as a factor, there was a contingent that said the hate had nothing to do with the all female cast. Which then lead us to things like the backpacks being to heavy being the reason, or the fact that their suits had stripes was the reason, or that the original cast was in it but not playing their original parts was the reason (never mind the fact that those actors chose to be in the film), or that whatever shit Akroyd would have spewed out for GB3 would be better than this (and we can all look at GB2 to see the direction things were going in).
It was the vehement dismissal of the all-female cast as playing a big factor in the massive backlash that bothered me. Especially since the original had an all-male cast and it was never questioned. And 99.99999% of that backlash seemed to be coming from men.
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An all-male Ghostbusters team for the 1984 film wouldn't be an issue since it was a new concept at the time (yeah, I know about the tv show one with the gorilla). Once it became a thing, people had expectations for the reboot.
The Feig reboot switched up the genders but still seemed to make it a point that there be one African-American Ghostbuster. At the time, no one would have been bothered had Winston been played by a white actor, because what Ghostbusters "should be" hadn't been established in people's minds in 1984. Not having a Ghostbuster who was African-American would have caused a stir as well, and I'm pretty sure some defenders of the reboot would have had some issues with a female team that was all-white.
2. The cast: The cast just wasn't that interesting. No one knew McKinnon or Jones outside of SNL which I hear a lot of people say hasn't been funny in years and they haven't watched it in years. Wiig has never headlined her own movie and McCarthy was the only box office draw. Plus casting McCarthy turned off people who don't like her movies and thought this would be another typical McCarthy movie with the Ghostbusters brand.
I like Caplan in just about every thing I've seen her in (Hot Tub Time Machine, Party Down, etc). It was said that she was a fan of the original and wanted to be in the new one. I thought that was cool, and while yeah, she's easy on the eyes, she has good comedic delivery, and plays the introvert/nerd type well, something that may work when playing a scientist.
Channing Tatum was said to have wrote an email about his enthusiasm for doing the movie. Again, thought it was cool that an actor was a fan. And after seeing 21 Jump Street I thought he could be funny in a GB movie. Then again, after reading the actual email he supposedly made, maybe it was good he wasn't in the reboot.
4.Men and women didn't want to see it: There was a bunch of articles about how Sony was basically going "Oh shit!" when it comes to this movie because it wasn't appealing to men. By the same token females didn't care because it's not the type of movie that women flock in droves too. Look at the highest grossing female driven movies. How many are $130 million special effects blockbusters?
Most of these new franchise films based on nostalgic, kid-friendly properties seem to be attempting to be as inclusive as possible in order to appeal to all demographics.
The new Star Wars has a female protagonist, a black male romantic interest, a male Latino Han Solo-type, male and female Asian rebel fighters, etc.
Marvel and DC films do the same.
5. Marketing: The marketing for this was awful. The first trailer was terrible and people seemed confused if it was a sequel, remake or reboot.
6. Amy Pascall: She just wanted to do a huge budget female led movie because that's what she wanted to see. If it wasn't Ghostbusters it was set to be a Spider-Man spin off. That caused them to go the route of all females when a mixed cast would have been more progressive and more unique.
Where was it said that it was Pascall's idea?
7. Lack of interest in the brand in the public eye: The last movie was thirty years ago. The hey days of Ghostbusters as a franchise was long gone and while GB as a brand still has staying power it wasn't on the same level as something like Star Wars. Plus it just didn't look good.
8. Lack of interest from fans: Sony was trying to feed fans Spam when they wanted steak. They had been waiting for a new GB for thirty years and never got one. Now the entire cast comes back(minus Harold Ramis) and instead of taking advantage of it, they piss off the fans by making them different characters almost rubbing salt in the wound.
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She already did an all women team that had a sequel... Charlie's Angels.
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Watched it last night. I have a load of criticisms that I'll keep to myself for now. I'd like to discuss one thing about this film that fascinated me and no one has mentioned: It's aspect ratio.
The film is, at first glance, presented in 2.35:1 aspect ratio. But it actually frequently explodes out of those dimensions and into the 1.85:1 aspect ratio. In other words the image extends into the "black bars". Is there a word for this? The first time I saw this was in Life of Pi during the flying fish sequence.
What aspect ratio was the screen during theatrical exhibition of GB?
The film is, at first glance, presented in 2.35:1 aspect ratio. But it actually frequently explodes out of those dimensions and into the 1.85:1 aspect ratio. In other words the image extends into the "black bars". Is there a word for this? The first time I saw this was in Life of Pi during the flying fish sequence.
What aspect ratio was the screen during theatrical exhibition of GB?
Last edited by Mabuse; 03-09-17 at 04:35 PM.
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Watched it last night. I have a load of criticisms that I'll keep to myself for now. I'd like to discuss one thing about this film that fascinated me and no one has mentioned: It's aspect ratio.
The film is, at first glance, presented in 2.35:1 aspect ratio. But it actually frequently explodes out of those dimensions and into the 1.85:1 aspect ratio. In other words the image extends into the "black bars". Is there a word for this? The first time I saw it was in Life of Pi during the flying fish sequence.
What aspect ratio was the screen during theatrical exhibition of GB?
The film is, at first glance, presented in 2.35:1 aspect ratio. But it actually frequently explodes out of those dimensions and into the 1.85:1 aspect ratio. In other words the image extends into the "black bars". Is there a word for this? The first time I saw it was in Life of Pi during the flying fish sequence.
What aspect ratio was the screen during theatrical exhibition of GB?
As I recall, it was exactly as you've described when it was shown theatrically in 3D. I saw it in IMAX, but my wife saw it at a regular 3D Cinemark screen, and it was the same. It was projected at 2.35:1, but the effects spilling out of the screen went outside the frame. Neither theatre would have had matting over the top/bottom edges of the screen, for this purpose.
In 2D, I think it was just a flat 2.35:1, with nothing coming into the frame's black border. I think the effect was added back into the 2D version for home video, though, since people seemed to like it.
It's not unlike, but still fairly different from, when The Dark Knight switched its AR for the IMAX-filmed scenes, then back to 2.35:1 for the non-IMAX stuff.
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The effect is dalled called "breaking the frame."
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them did it, too. It's unknown whether or not it will be included in any of the home video versions like it was with Ghostbusters.
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them did it, too. It's unknown whether or not it will be included in any of the home video versions like it was with Ghostbusters.
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I think there just wasn't much of a demand for a new Ghostbusters that didn't star the original crew. The trailers weren't great, and the negative press around it probably didn't help.
It's also harder to draw audiences in these days, it seems.
X-men: Apocalypse and Star Trek Beyond were only able to muster up about $155m a piece domestically
Ghostbusters wrangled up $128.4m domestic
Independence Day: Resurgence managed a poor $103m domestically
Passengers got hamstrung at $98m
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: out of the Shadows stalled at $82m
Alice Through the Looking Glass only pulled in $77m on its $170m budget
It's also harder to draw audiences in these days, it seems.
X-men: Apocalypse and Star Trek Beyond were only able to muster up about $155m a piece domestically
Ghostbusters wrangled up $128.4m domestic
Independence Day: Resurgence managed a poor $103m domestically
Passengers got hamstrung at $98m
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: out of the Shadows stalled at $82m
Alice Through the Looking Glass only pulled in $77m on its $170m budget
That theory didn't last long.
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Finally watched this just now. Went in with an open mind, loved the original and most of my favorite comedy is from women. But this was awful, just completely unfunny from start to finish. The Akroyd cameo was the only moment that gave me pleasure. I guess the 3D wasn't horrible.
At least it was pretty much free, thanks to a Target customer service bonus, but I'm embarrassed that this will forever be my first UHD purchase.
At least it was pretty much free, thanks to a Target customer service bonus, but I'm embarrassed that this will forever be my first UHD purchase.
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In the original film the concept was that the whole world is the straight man and the Ghostbusters are the funny non-conformists (with the one exception of Rick Moranis). In the remake they make everyone funny. The mayor is funny, the receptionist is funny, the tour guide is funny, everyone is funny. That is to say jokes are put into their mouths, none of it is particularly funny. Anyway, that's like a 90's sitcom.
All they had to do was match the original and it would have been passable. They tweeked everything and made it worse.
All they had to do was match the original and it would have been passable. They tweeked everything and made it worse.
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If nothing else I did really like the scene near the end where Kate McKinnon uses her proton pistols. That was pretty badass even if the movie decided to change the rules they already established.




