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Old 07-09-16 | 12:14 PM
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I'm not necessarily saying the filmmakers deserved the hate they received, but Rolfe was attacked pretty vehemently as being the main face of the source of the hate towards the film or something.
I never got that impression from anyone criticizing him. Is it convenient that he's yet another straight white dude (like me!) who is hesitant to believe the movie is any good? Sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that his argument was poor. As someone mentioned above, if he had made his point and ended it, that'd have been enough. But instead he spent 6 minutes acting like he was owed a "better" movie or something.

Also there's this (I'll spoiler it because there are some spoilers in it):

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Here's the direct link because I'm not sure if the embedding is working.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-Pvk70Gx6c
Yeah, I'm not going to seriously consider the opinion of a dude who reviews Cheetos and has a "How to make Cheez-it Vodka (Vomit Alert!)" video. He seems exactly like the type of "what about the men!!" idiot that would go into the movie knowing he'd hate it, and finding every possible reason to confirm his own opinion.

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Now its one review but if its true (which I have no reason to believe it isn't) the filmmakers are giant fucking hypocrites. Basically its okay to bash men but men are just sexist pigs no matter what. There's no way that all the anti-men stuff claimed in that video was added after the fact that they were getting bashed. Basically they were out to make a pro feminist, fuck men film to start with and wanted people to just accept it. Fuck you Feig.
Wow, dude. At least we know where you stand. I mean, you got all that from the opinion of a dude who reviews skittles on YouTube?
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Old 07-09-16 | 12:16 PM
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that looks like the maid from Family Guy.
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Old 07-09-16 | 12:26 PM
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I never got that impression from anyone criticizing him. Is it convenient that he's yet another straight white dude (like me!) who is hesitant to believe the movie is any good? Sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that his argument was poor. As someone mentioned above, if he had made his point and ended it, that'd have been enough. But instead he spent 6 minutes acting like he was owed a "better" movie or something.



Yeah, I'm not going to seriously consider the opinion of a dude who reviews Cheetos and has a "How to make Cheez-it Vodka (Vomit Alert!)" video. He seems exactly like the type of "what about the men!!" idiot that would go into the movie knowing he'd hate it, and finding every possible reason to confirm his own opinion.



Wow, dude. At least we know where you stand. I mean, you got all that from the opinion of a dude who reviews skittles on YouTube?
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He's done a bunch of movie reviews and they're usually decent. How can you not get that? His review essentially states that they do everything they can to bash men in the film. Yet somehow only men are sexist? Really helps their cause...
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Yeah, you can tell that dude in the video review breathes Axe Body Spray and sweats Mountain Dew but if you head over to the Ghostbusters subreddit you'll see hundreds of posts treating his review like the final nail in the movie's coffin.
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Old 07-09-16 | 12:35 PM
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How am I not surprised that two people defending the film are the first to claim the reviewer is blowing smoke? Now I've criticized the film no doubt so I'm guilty for going to a negative review but the stuff he's saying seems plausible. Also note that he likes most of the actresses and Feig and admits to not being a huge fanboy of the originals so there doesn't seem to be a large bias.
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Old 07-09-16 | 12:43 PM
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How am I not surprised that two people defending the film are the first to claim the reviewer is blowing smoke? Now I've criticized the film no doubt so I'm guilty for going to a negative review but the stuff he's saying seems plausible. Also note that he likes most of the actresses and Feig and admits to not being a huge fanboy of the originals so there doesn't seem to be a large bias.
People believe what they want to believe. If the review was positive, they would be all for it, but since it goes against what they think, they ignore it and try to discredit it.
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Old 07-09-16 | 12:57 PM
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Sony put those toys out waaaay too early.
Not really. It's common for movie studios to have the toys release about two months in advance in order to build up hype for the movie. The biggest problem is the fact that who are these toys supposed to appeal to? Generally speaking little boys don't want to buy female action figures. So is any little kid going to be going "Mommy Mommy can I please have an Erin Gilbert figure!"

By the same token it doesn't appeal to collectors either cause most fans don't seem to want to support the new movie either. I've gone to a couple different places and see the new figures sitting there and a lack of the older figures. It seems that Sony couldn't do anything right merchandising this movie as even the video game coming out looks like shit and had to have a free digital copy of the new movie added to it.

Which has been this movies problem for awhile. It has no clue who its going to appeal to.


I never got that impression from anyone criticizing him. Is it convenient that he's yet another straight white dude (like me!) who is hesitant to believe the movie is any good? Sure, but that doesn't negate the fact that his argument was poor. As someone mentioned above, if he had made his point and ended it, that'd have been enough. But instead he spent 6 minutes acting like he was owed a "better" movie or something.
You realize that Comicbookgirl19 did a video criticizing the movie as well and not a peep was mentioned about her. And she has almost half a million subscribers so she isn't some no name with 10 people subscribing. But when Rolfe posted a video to his fans about not wanting to see it he was eviscerated by all angles and he became the poster child despite what he said being well done and articulate.

Yeah, I'm not going to seriously consider the opinion of a dude who reviews Cheetos and has a "How to make Cheez-it Vodka (Vomit Alert!)" video. He seems exactly like the type of "what about the men!!" idiot that would go into the movie knowing he'd hate it, and finding every possible reason to confirm his own opinion.
I never got that vibe at all. It seems like he was indifferent and wanted to like it and was disappointed by what he saw.

Yeah, you can tell that dude in the video review breathes Axe Body Spray and sweats Mountain Dew but if you head over to the Ghostbusters subreddit you'll see hundreds of posts treating his review like the final nail in the movie's coffin.
You mean like the people did the same thing earlier this year with BVS? It's not a surprise when a bad review comes and people are glad they can say they were right.

The reviews coming weeks in advance for Captain America was atypical. It was almost certainly a dig at BvS on Marvel's part. There's really no reason to publicize good reviews a month before people will be buying tickets unless you wanna rub your confidence in your competitor's face.
That literally makes no sense. If you have a troubled movie that's been getting bad press for months and people seem to legitimately like it, you publicize those reviews and have them come out early. Lots of movies have been doing this more and more it does happen. And I highly doubt at that point and time Disney cared about sticking it to BVS.

How am I not surprised that two people defending the film are the first to claim the reviewer is blowing smoke? Now I've criticized the film no doubt so I'm guilty for going to a negative review but the stuff he's saying seems plausible. Also note that he likes most of the actresses and Feig and admits to not being a huge fanboy of the originals so there doesn't seem to be a large bias.
I agree I never got that vibe either. He says he likes Feig, the actresses and says that he isn't a GB fan boy. You can't get more unbiased than that.
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Old 07-09-16 | 01:00 PM
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I'm not specifically defending the film. I'm reserving judgment until I see it for myself. I'm just saying I don't take much stock in a reviewer whose YouTube channel is filled with hundreds of videos reviewing random fast food items. He has 24 movie reviews (that's fine, everyone starts somewhere), but it's hard to take him seriously with his rants about the anti-men stuff. Men are portrayed as bumbling idiots and/or assholes in damn near every film aimed at us men, too. Who cares? Why is it so offensive when this film does it? Think about that.
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Old 07-09-16 | 01:01 PM
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People believe what they want to believe. If the review was positive, they would be all for it, but since it goes against what they think, they ignore it and try to discredit it.
You mean... exactly like you did when Oswalt said he liked it?
If the review was positive, you'd be posting pictures of his dead girlfriend, or mother, or grandmother. See how that works?

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Old 07-09-16 | 01:04 PM
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If the review was positive, you'd be posting pictures of his dead mother or grandmother. See how that works?
I said that in my response too but again the guy likes the actresses and Feig and isn't a huge fanboy. He doesn't seem like someone biased against the new film for sexist reasons or because he hates that a franchise he loves is being rebooted.
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Old 07-09-16 | 01:15 PM
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I'm not specifically defending the film. I'm reserving judgment until I see it for myself. I'm just saying I don't take much stock in a reviewer whose YouTube channel is filled with hundreds of videos reviewing random fast food items. He has 24 movie reviews (that's fine, everyone starts somewhere), but it's hard to take him seriously with his rants about the anti-men stuff. Men are portrayed as bumbling idiots and/or assholes in damn near every film aimed at us men, too. Who cares? Why is it so offensive when this film does it? Think about that.
That's fair I suppose given some of his content but his movie reviews I've liked for the most part.

As far as the film portraying men as bumbling idiots, yeah it is done in other films too but there seems to be a pretty high level of hypocrisy here. Basically it sounds like the film does all it can to make every male character an idiot or to rub in the girl power message to fanboys (and specifically men). That sounds like a pretty pointedly aimed message but yet its somehow okay because it's aimed at men and not women or another minority group. How does that help anyone really? You empower one group by putting down another yet I'm supposed to take away a positive message because girl power?
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So are we collectively deciding to just ignore the obvious fact that people can just say they like the cast/director, aren't sexist, aren't big Ghostbusters fans, etc.?

I mean, I'm not for being paranoid and doubting every single example of context used by a reviewer but sometimes it's warranted. I don't buy it when this guy says he likes the actresses, and you can see the benefit of lying about it in this very thread.

I'm not even trying to wax my own car by stating I have a finely-tuned bullshit detector or anything. He can't even remember their names at the start of his video. But hey, say you're a big fan of everything about the movie but the movie itself and you wipe out all the allegations of bias people will lob at you in one fell swoop.
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He got all their names off the bat besides Leslie Jones who is probably the least well known member of the cast..
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He got all their names off the bat besides Leslie Jones who is probably the least well known member of the cast..
If you watch closely he has to look down and to his right at something as he reads their names.

Edit: you don't even need to look closely. He's clearly reading notes or looking at his phone and reading the names off, and the way he says "Melissa McCarthy" makes it pretty clear she's the only one he really knows by name.

Not naming Jones is just weird when he obviously has the cast list in his right hand.

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I'm not going to nitpick about whether or not he remembers the names. I think that's pointless, since he's doing this review from his car immediately after seeing it (why is this a thing on YouTube? Drive home, THINK about what you want to say, then say it articulately)

Anyway, moving on, as we are wont to do...

Once official reviews start rolling in, it'll be interesting to see who is accused of "feminist bias" and who is determined to be the arbiter of truth. More importantly, what will Armond White think???
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He said he looked up Jones' name. For all we know he looked down at that. Big deal.
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I certainly don't fault anyone from not memorizing every actors name but it certainly doesn't jibe with his unconvincing "I love these super talented ladies but think this movie sucks shit!" stance.
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Once official reviews start rolling in, it'll be interesting to see who is accused of "feminist bias" and who is determined to be the arbiter of truth. More importantly, what will Armond White think???
Some one who believes in conspiracy theorys might ask are we even going to get honest reviews from professional critics, out of fear of being labeled sexist, or misogynist?
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Old 07-09-16 | 01:52 PM
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Some one who believes in conspiracy theorys might ask are we even going to get honest reviews from professional critics, out of fear of being labeled sexist, or misogynist? having pictures of their dead family members made into memes and blasted all over reddit and 4chan?
Fixed that for you.
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Some one who believes in conspiracy theorys might ask are we even going to get honest reviews from professional critics, out of fear of being labeled sexist, or misogynist?
I posted this elsewhere a few days ago:

The movie's opponents are in an advantageous position because even if the movie gets rave reviews they can say the critics were Sony shills, or that the critics bowed to the pressures of Political Correctness, or that critics are generally worthless out-of-touch types. If the movie is a financial success they can blame it on the uncultured idiot masses.
I can see which one you're going with.
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Old 07-09-16 | 01:57 PM
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I posted this elsewhere a few days ago:



I can see which one you're going with.
And if the movie gets mostly positive reviews but is a finicial flop? What does that mean?
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That not enough people bought tickets.
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Old 07-09-16 | 02:08 PM
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That not enough people bought tickets.
*gasp*


It's almost like there's never been action movies or comedies that were critically acclaimed, yet failed at the box office.
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Realistically speaking I don't think this has much chance of beating Pets next weekend. Anything less than a #1 debut is gonna be seen as a resounding victory by the movie's opponents.
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Yup the good news is, this will open and die next weekend and after that no one will be talking about it anymore. On to the next thing.

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