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Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (Wright, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
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Re: Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (Wright, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
Me (*****): http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/45197...-vs-the-world/
Burchby (****1/2): http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/45296...-vs-the-world/
Rich (****1/2): http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/45269...-vs-the-world/
Bailey (****): http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/45267...-vs-the-world/
And Brian's was already linked.
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And Brian's was already linked.
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Re: Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (Wright, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
I liked the movie. However, I couldn't buy for a second that Winstead could have possibly been interested in Cera. He just wasn't looking so hot in this film for some reason, and the way he delivered his lines didn't make him any more believable. I didn't have that problem at all with Youth In Revolt. He was looking smaller and more pathetic than just about anyone in the movie. That damn haircut he has the whole movie probably didn't help. I usually tend to like Cera, but man oh man. He's going to be one ugly dude when he stops looking like a 16 year old.
I wasn't feelin so hot during the showing it could easily have effected my enjoyment of the movie. Actually, I'm almost positive it did.
I wasn't feelin so hot during the showing it could easily have effected my enjoyment of the movie. Actually, I'm almost positive it did.
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Re: Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (Wright, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
Solid article on how many reviewers are reviewing the audience of the movie rather than the movie.
I also want to point out that "hipster" is just what boring older people call younger people who are having more fun than they are.
Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World may be one of the most heavily previewed movies in years. Promo screenings, preview screenings, Comic-Con ... it feels at times like everyone who really cares about it has seen it by now — and the reviews have been rolling in for quite some time.
Full disclosure: I think it's great.
I also think it's so heavily stylized that it's bound not to be everyone's favorite film. It's not aiming to be liked by all; it's aiming to be adored by many. If director Edgar Wright weren't okay with the film's being polarizing, he'd have backed off from some of its delightful little quirks.
But I have to say to those reviewing it: what's completely unnecessary is being hostile and condescending about the target audience — and I can say that, because I'm emphatically not part of it.
After referring to the first part of the movie as a "dork-pandering assault," The Boston Phoenix reviewer goes on to say that Michael Cera's performance is "irritating" in part because of "the non-stop Pavlovian laugh track provided by the audience at the screening I attended." (As far as I know, that's a first: "You made the audience laugh, you irritating actor in a comedy, and that's what's wrong with you.")
The review in the St. Petersburg Times begins, "First of all, I'm not a video gamer. I have discovered more appealing ways to not have a life."
The New York Observer sniffs that the film is "clearly directed at an audience with generational ADD."
Here's one from Philadelphia Weekly: "Scott Pilgrim Vs. the World is Fan Service: The Movie, an insular, punishingly alienating experience preaching only to the faithful, devoted hearts of arrested 12-year-old boys. It’s singularly fixated on video games and shallow visions of women as one-dimensional objects to be either obtained or discarded and offers no possible point of entry to anybody over the age of 30."
You get the idea.
Let's start with "no possible point of entry to anybody over the age of 30." The very first image in this film — the literally very first thing you see with your eyes and hear with your ears — is the Universal logo, rendered as it would look and sound at around the time I was playing Pitfall! on my extremely sophisticated Atari system in 1983. This is literally the "point of entry" for the entire film, and on average, it's going to mean more to people over 30 than under.
Moreover, this explanation — and the other ones that aren't as explicit but basically make the same point, that it's a story for, about, and only even potentially satisfying to teen gamer comic-reading boy hipsters (am I leaving anything out?) — defies all common sense as well as anecdotal evidence I can serve you right now.
I am over 12. I am over 20. I am over 30. We will stop there.
I am also, you might note, not a boy.
I don't read comics and never have — unless we're counting the cartoons in Highlights magazine that taught me that Goofus is bossy and Gallant loves to share.
I am also, despite that history with Pitfall!, not a gamer. I own a Nintendo Wii, on which I enjoy boxing, tennis, being extremely bad at Super Mario Galaxy, and sometimes even playing Dancing With The Stars (deal with it), in which I have mastered the cha-cha at the professional level. If you are under the impression that this makes me a "gamer" anywhere except possibly in the sun-dappled rec rooms of some very rad retirement communities, you're off your nut.
There's no reason to be angry at the people you imagine a movie will make happy just because you didn't like the movie.
Listen: I hated Dinner For Schmucks. I hated it like it kicked my dog and sent me an invoice. But other people in the theater laughed, and every time I have told anyone how much I hated it, I have said, "But please note: other people in the theater were laughing, so maybe it's me."
I don't know who those laughers are. I don't know how they are different from me in age, gender, recreational activity preferences, or general opinions on the matter of whether Steve Carell should wear prosthetic teeth. I don't know. They laughed; I didn't. And if I'd found myself writing, "Carell's performance is irritating partly because of the know-nothing goobers who were laughing the whole time," I hope I would have paused before hitting "publish" and thought, "Perhaps this is not the most helpful thing I could say about this movie."
Hating Scott Pilgrim vs. The World is perfectly fine. It's got a style; you sort of embrace it and dig it or you don't. But when there's too much effort given to tut-tutting the people you imagine to be enjoying it, or declaring and promising that only narrow categories of losers and non-life-havers and other stupid annoying hipsters could possibly be having a good time when you're not, it sounds pinched and ungenerous. And, not to put too fine a point on it, a little bit jealous and fearful of obsolescence.
Here's what I'm saying: I'm a woman, I'm in my late thirties, I can't handle first-person shooters, I'm afraid of Comic-Con, and I really, really liked Scott Pilgrim vs. The World.
I hope I'm not, you know, blowing your mind.
Full disclosure: I think it's great.
I also think it's so heavily stylized that it's bound not to be everyone's favorite film. It's not aiming to be liked by all; it's aiming to be adored by many. If director Edgar Wright weren't okay with the film's being polarizing, he'd have backed off from some of its delightful little quirks.
But I have to say to those reviewing it: what's completely unnecessary is being hostile and condescending about the target audience — and I can say that, because I'm emphatically not part of it.
After referring to the first part of the movie as a "dork-pandering assault," The Boston Phoenix reviewer goes on to say that Michael Cera's performance is "irritating" in part because of "the non-stop Pavlovian laugh track provided by the audience at the screening I attended." (As far as I know, that's a first: "You made the audience laugh, you irritating actor in a comedy, and that's what's wrong with you.")
The review in the St. Petersburg Times begins, "First of all, I'm not a video gamer. I have discovered more appealing ways to not have a life."
The New York Observer sniffs that the film is "clearly directed at an audience with generational ADD."
Here's one from Philadelphia Weekly: "Scott Pilgrim Vs. the World is Fan Service: The Movie, an insular, punishingly alienating experience preaching only to the faithful, devoted hearts of arrested 12-year-old boys. It’s singularly fixated on video games and shallow visions of women as one-dimensional objects to be either obtained or discarded and offers no possible point of entry to anybody over the age of 30."
You get the idea.
Let's start with "no possible point of entry to anybody over the age of 30." The very first image in this film — the literally very first thing you see with your eyes and hear with your ears — is the Universal logo, rendered as it would look and sound at around the time I was playing Pitfall! on my extremely sophisticated Atari system in 1983. This is literally the "point of entry" for the entire film, and on average, it's going to mean more to people over 30 than under.
Moreover, this explanation — and the other ones that aren't as explicit but basically make the same point, that it's a story for, about, and only even potentially satisfying to teen gamer comic-reading boy hipsters (am I leaving anything out?) — defies all common sense as well as anecdotal evidence I can serve you right now.
I am over 12. I am over 20. I am over 30. We will stop there.
I am also, you might note, not a boy.
I don't read comics and never have — unless we're counting the cartoons in Highlights magazine that taught me that Goofus is bossy and Gallant loves to share.
I am also, despite that history with Pitfall!, not a gamer. I own a Nintendo Wii, on which I enjoy boxing, tennis, being extremely bad at Super Mario Galaxy, and sometimes even playing Dancing With The Stars (deal with it), in which I have mastered the cha-cha at the professional level. If you are under the impression that this makes me a "gamer" anywhere except possibly in the sun-dappled rec rooms of some very rad retirement communities, you're off your nut.
There's no reason to be angry at the people you imagine a movie will make happy just because you didn't like the movie.
Listen: I hated Dinner For Schmucks. I hated it like it kicked my dog and sent me an invoice. But other people in the theater laughed, and every time I have told anyone how much I hated it, I have said, "But please note: other people in the theater were laughing, so maybe it's me."
I don't know who those laughers are. I don't know how they are different from me in age, gender, recreational activity preferences, or general opinions on the matter of whether Steve Carell should wear prosthetic teeth. I don't know. They laughed; I didn't. And if I'd found myself writing, "Carell's performance is irritating partly because of the know-nothing goobers who were laughing the whole time," I hope I would have paused before hitting "publish" and thought, "Perhaps this is not the most helpful thing I could say about this movie."
Hating Scott Pilgrim vs. The World is perfectly fine. It's got a style; you sort of embrace it and dig it or you don't. But when there's too much effort given to tut-tutting the people you imagine to be enjoying it, or declaring and promising that only narrow categories of losers and non-life-havers and other stupid annoying hipsters could possibly be having a good time when you're not, it sounds pinched and ungenerous. And, not to put too fine a point on it, a little bit jealous and fearful of obsolescence.
Here's what I'm saying: I'm a woman, I'm in my late thirties, I can't handle first-person shooters, I'm afraid of Comic-Con, and I really, really liked Scott Pilgrim vs. The World.
I hope I'm not, you know, blowing your mind.
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Re: Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (Wright, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
No, there is an actual hipster subculture, but pretty much none of it is in this movie.
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Re: Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (Wright, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
I'm more than willing and happy to see girls dye their hair off beat colors as I'm sure it'll come back in style.
It'll be like Comic con, but less people will stop them to ask for pictures.
It'll be like Comic con, but less people will stop them to ask for pictures.
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armond white seems to enjoy going against the general consensus of other critics seemingly just for the attention that it creates. the other 4 reviewers at dvdtalk gave SP an average of 4.5 stars yet 'The O' gives it 2 stars with 0 replay value. i wasn't comparing brian to armond in general just this specific situation. brian normally has much better taste than armond.
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Re: Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (Wright, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
But he was very much right about Wall-E being a piece of shit, hoping he's wrong this time.
...but yah, I get the comparison in the "going against the norm" aspect of this rating.
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For the record, my review for SCOTT PILGRIM isn't one of disgust, merely extreme disappointment. I read the books and felt the feature didn't represent the characterization and community I grew to love on the page. It's a pretty picture, but everything else is hurried along or skipped over entirely.
And I still can't believe there's no Honest Ed's showdown. What a missed opportunity. As I state in my review, Wright should've tackled this material 2 or 3 books at a time.
The feedback on my review has been surprisingly friendly, at least everywhere but here. But that's always the case.
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Re: Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (Wright, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
Snozzberry dude from super trooper marrying Christina Hendricks.. yeah.
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Re: Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (Wright, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
For the record, my review for SCOTT PILGRIM isn't one of disgust, merely extreme disappointment. I read the books and felt the feature didn't represent the characterization and community I grew to love on the page. It's a pretty picture, but everything else is hurried along or skipped over entirely.
I really love the supporting cast, and the intense emphasis on characterization is my favorite thing about the books, so I really would've liked to have spent a lot more time with them here. At the end of the day, that's my biggest complaint about the movie...that you don't get a chance to form those same attachments (Wallace and Knives aside). I adore pretty much everything else about the movie: the spectacular fight sequences (in particular, the Matthew Patel brawl far eclipses what I'd pictured from reading the books, and the sword swiping against the thugs in the climax is an endlessly infectious adrenaline rush), music that's straight across the board right up my alley, its dazzling sense of style, a terrific sense of humor that kept me laughing so hard that I'd completely miss the jokes that swooped in right after, and even just the construction of the movie...those really swift, efficient transitions from one sequence to the next. There's not a wasted frame in the entire film. I just wish there were a lot more of it.

As I've said to a bunch of people off-forum, I'm having a hard time separating the experience of seeing the movie the way I did from the film itself, and I also had kind of a tough time adjusting to the dizzyingly manic pace my first time through. I'm seeing it again later today, and I'm expecting to have a much firmer opinion shorn up with a second viewing. I really, really enjoyed the movie when I saw it on Monday, but I think I'll be able to appreciate it more for what it is the second time through.
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I don't think you can make three movies out of Scott Pilgrim. Where would the first two end, and how could they make it satisfying?
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Sure, everyone kind of gets a mention of a backstory (with Kim and Envy getting more time as they were part of Scott's past). But other than that, most of the secondary characters really don't get any history. They certainly add to the experience of reading the book, and I do love them, but it wouldn't kill me to not know more about Julie, Stacey, Young Neil, etc. Or hell, even Stephen Stills.
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A single feature doesn't do it all justice.
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Investing in multiple films is a big deal, though, when the popularity of the source material is in question. Scott Pilgrim certainly isn't as mainstream as Harry Potter, Twilight, or Lord of the Rings. Asking a studio to plan ahead for multiple movies when they have ZERO clue how well the first is going to do is pretty tough.
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But isn't it kind of amazing that we got a single feature at all? And one on the level we did to boot?
I'm still in amazement the movie even got done and presented in the way it was and released as a major motion picture. Thinking about them saying up front, "You know, let's make this a 3 movie deal!" kind of breaks my brain.
Not to mention the fact that it still leaves the books as their own entity. MANY MANY more people will see the movie then will ever read the books. Think about being able to recommend the books to those that enjoyed the movie and it not being an exact blueprint of the info they already know. That seems like a win/win to me.
I'm still in amazement the movie even got done and presented in the way it was and released as a major motion picture. Thinking about them saying up front, "You know, let's make this a 3 movie deal!" kind of breaks my brain.
Not to mention the fact that it still leaves the books as their own entity. MANY MANY more people will see the movie then will ever read the books. Think about being able to recommend the books to those that enjoyed the movie and it not being an exact blueprint of the info they already know. That seems like a win/win to me.
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Solid article on how many reviewers are reviewing the audience of the movie rather than the movie.
I also want to point out that "hipster" is just what boring older people call younger people who are having more fun than they are.
I also want to point out that "hipster" is just what boring older people call younger people who are having more fun than they are.
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Investing in multiple films is a big deal, though, when the popularity of the source material is in question. Scott Pilgrim certainly isn't as mainstream as Harry Potter, Twilight, or Lord of the Rings. Asking a studio to plan ahead for multiple movies when they have ZERO clue how well the first is going to do is pretty tough.
But it doesn't matter now, we only have the one.
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I know people sitting around and talking isn't all that cinematic, and that's kind of what I mean about wanting to see the movie a second time. I understand it's a different beast and that adapting over a thousand pages into a 110 minute movie means something's going to have to go. I'm not even sure I'm arguing that the movie needed more characterization...just that I missed what was in the books. The two aren't necessarily the same thing. I get the sense that now that I know what to expect from the movie, I'll be able to better appreciate it than I did the first time. Again, I loved, loved, loved Scott Pilgrim... the first time through, but it was a pretty dizzying experience for me, and now I'm better equipped.
Ditto on all fronts.
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Well, I didn't mean that in the sense of needing backstory or an infodump. It's kind of the opposite, really: that the movie is so intensely driven by its sense of style, its sense of humor, and the overall premise that the heart of the books for me isn't really in there. My favorite bits in the books were frequently the in-between moments where everyone's just kind of hanging out. They're fleshed-out so exceptionally well, flaws and all, that they genuinely come across as actual people. I love the characters in the books and I love the actors portraying them on-screen, but I'm not given much of a reason to care about most of the characters in the movie. The movie's visually dazzling, and its sense of humor is indescribably brilliant, but I can't help but wish there were an emotional hook to match.
I know people sitting around and talking isn't all that cinematic, and that's kind of what I mean about wanting to see the movie a second time. I understand it's a different beast and that adapting over a thousand pages into a 110 minute movie means something's going to have to go. I'm not even sure I'm arguing that the movie needed more characterization...just that I missed what was in the books. The two aren't necessarily the same thing. I get the sense that now that I know what to expect from the movie, I'll be able to better appreciate it than I did the first time. Again, I loved, loved, loved Scott Pilgrim... the first time through, but it was a pretty dizzying experience for me, and now I'm better equipped.
I know people sitting around and talking isn't all that cinematic, and that's kind of what I mean about wanting to see the movie a second time. I understand it's a different beast and that adapting over a thousand pages into a 110 minute movie means something's going to have to go. I'm not even sure I'm arguing that the movie needed more characterization...just that I missed what was in the books. The two aren't necessarily the same thing. I get the sense that now that I know what to expect from the movie, I'll be able to better appreciate it than I did the first time. Again, I loved, loved, loved Scott Pilgrim... the first time through, but it was a pretty dizzying experience for me, and now I'm better equipped.
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Re: Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (Wright, 2010) — The Reviews Thread
Not being a big fan of the books, I'm glad they glossed over a lot of the details, which would be momentum-killers in the movie - I think the movie(s) would've suffered had they expanded it to fit in everything from the books.


















