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Shazam 06-14-12 01:06 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by Preterite (Post 11271847)
Either your reading comprehension skills are for shit, or you're a troll. Which is it?


Ok. Troll it is.

He takes things very personally, even if the point has nothing to do with him. Just best to leave him alone.

Rob V 06-14-12 01:07 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by kgrogers1979 (Post 11271926)
Sarcasm? The only time a darker Spider-Man has ever really worked was in the storyarc Kraven's Last Hunt. When they tried to darken him up like Batman in the 1990s, that was just a steaming pile of feces.

This movie won't exactly be targeting 8-12 year olds if the rumors are true that
Spoiler:
Captain Stacy dies. I also suspect Gwen will bite it in the sequel.

You're probably right but knowing nothing about this movie other than the super lame slam-dunk video, goofy "yee-haw" sounds from Spidey as he swings around town, corny dialogue from the police chief and the brighter theme, it appears like a kids movie to me.

kgrogers1979 06-14-12 01:15 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by DonnachaOne (Post 11271944)
kgrogers1979, your knowledge of comic books is encyclopedic and nuanced. I appreciate that.

With that said, your arguments about how a film should be would be more compelling if you didn't keep referring to how things worked in the comics. Different media, different strengths and weaknesses. Something that may not have worked in the comics might be tailor-made for film and vice versa. "Spider-man only did that in issue #whatever and it sucked then" is not a point, it's a distraction.

Does it help to be knowledgeable of the comics? Sure, but by no means should it be a requirement, and should never be a limit to enjoying the film.


Sorry, I just thought he was being sarcastic about wanting a darker movie because back when they first started showing footage of the movie the most common complaint was that it was too dark with all the night time scenes and police constantly chasing Spidey.

And now that they are showing lighter scenes, people are complaining that its a kid's movie. :lol:

Preterite 06-14-12 01:26 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by Shazam (Post 11271953)
He takes things very personally, even if the point has nothing to do with him. Just best to leave him alone.


Originally Posted by Rob V (Post 11271884)
You're falling into his trap. If you ignore him maybe he'll go away.

Yeah, I decided to try out the Ignore List feature and save everyone the grief. Thanks!

Dragon Tattoo 06-14-12 01:31 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by Preterite (Post 11271847)
Ok. Troll it is.

Yeah, because only trolls hold off on judging movies before they've seen them.

Your reasoning skills are apparently really bad.

Solid Snake 06-14-12 01:47 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by Rob V (Post 11271955)
You're probably right but knowing nothing about this movie other than the super lame slam-dunk video, goofy "yee-haw" sounds from Spidey as he swings around town, corny dialogue from the police chief and the brighter theme, it appears like a kids movie to me.

I haven't heard him say "yee-haw" or whatever. Some woo and woohoos, which...actually would be something most people say when they're doing something fun or experiencing something new. I actually like a lot of the shots in this film of him doing stuff cuz it's practical and a lot less cgi than one would expect..but cgi is there for the harder stuff.

I"m not sure where you're getting a kids movie out of all this. What I'm getting is mostly....mainstream big budget simple in some of those scenes.

Rob V 06-14-12 02:11 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
"woo-hoo" "yee-haw"... same thing :lol:

First thing I thought of when I heard that was a young Anakin in the pod. I'm not trying to slam the movie because clearly I haven't seen it. Just giving my impressions of the trailers.

Dragon Tattoo 06-14-12 02:12 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by Rob V (Post 11272058)
I'm not trying to slam the movie because clearly I haven't seen it.

Of course not.

Big Boy Laroux 06-14-12 03:11 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
seriously? so if you were swinging on a bridge, by webbing you created yourself, you'd be perfectly stoic? Not let out a "Wheeeeee!" or "woo-hoo!"?

nitpicking at its finest.

DaveyJoe 06-14-12 03:50 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
I love the scene in The Dark Knight when Batman jumps off the building in China, as he's gliding down he lets out a "WOO-HOO" before smashing through the window to grab Lau.

Big Boy Laroux 06-14-12 03:52 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by DaveyJoe (Post 11272185)
I love the scene in The Dark Knight when Batman jumps off the building in China, as he's gliding down he lets out a "WOO-HOO" before smashing through the window to grab Lau.

Now we're comparing a teenager with brand new SUPER POWERS to a hardened adult martial artist who's entire MO is stealth?

Yep, Valid Comparison.

majorjoe23 06-14-12 03:55 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by DaveyJoe (Post 11272185)
I love the scene in The Dark Knight when Batman jumps off the building in China, as he's gliding down he lets out a "WOO-HOO" before smashing through the window to grab Lau.

This all comes down to the type of characters they are, though. Spider-Man has a bit of fun being Spider-Man. Batman is much more mission-driven.

DaveyJoe 06-14-12 04:05 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux (Post 11272189)
Now we're comparing a teenager with brand new SUPER POWERS to a hardened adult martial artist who's entire MO is stealth?

Yep, Valid Comparison.

Okay, if you want to get realistic about what somebody would do if they really had those superpowers, I still think it seems childish. Like somebody mentioned earlier, a resounding "WOO-HOO" is reminiscent of a much younger child around 10 years old. Jake Lloyd has this exact line during the pod race and it was still fucking cheesy. A 17-year-old guy is more likely to say something like "HELL YEAH" than woo-hoo. I mean honestly, when is the last time you heard a post-pubescent male say woo-hoo?



Originally Posted by majorjoe23 (Post 11272190)
This all comes down to the type of characters they are, though. Spider-Man has a bit of fun being Spider-Man. Batman is much more mission-driven.

Fun is fine. Taking dialogue cues from George Lucas is not.

Solid Snake 06-14-12 04:11 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Even Raimi's Spidey did that stuff. It's not really new. It's part of the character.

devilshalo 06-14-12 04:13 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by DaveyJoe (Post 11272199)
Okay, if you want to get realistic about what somebody would do if they really had those superpowers, I still think it seems childish. Like somebody mentioned earlier, a resounding "WOO-HOO" is reminiscent of a much younger child around 10 years old. Jake Lloyd has this exact line during the pod race and it was still fucking cheesy. A 17-year-old guy is more likely to say something like "HELL YEAH" than woo-hoo. I mean honestly, when is the last time you heard a post-pubescent male say woo-hoo?

Maybe he's secretly a cowboy? :shrug:

Big Boy Laroux 06-14-12 04:16 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by DaveyJoe (Post 11272199)
Okay, if you want to get realistic about what somebody would do if they really had those superpowers, I still think it seems childish. Like somebody mentioned earlier, a resounding "WOO-HOO" is reminiscent of a much younger child around 10 years old. Jake Lloyd has this exact line during the pod race and it was still fucking cheesy. A 17-year-old guy is more likely to say something like "HELL YEAH" than woo-hoo. I mean honestly, when is the last time you heard a post-pubescent male say woo-hoo?

When i developed my super powers, i was woo-hooing all over the F'in place!

DaveyJoe 06-14-12 04:17 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 11272207)
Even Raimi's Spidey did that stuff. It's not really new. It's part of the character.

Like I said, a fun-loving spirit is fine, I just don't want to see them verge into cheeseball territory. There's a very fine line and while some aspects of this film look good, the majority of what I've seen is mediocre. The editing in the basketball scene was really pathetic for a major motion picture.

kgrogers1979 06-14-12 05:46 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux (Post 11272189)
Now we're comparing a teenager with brand new SUPER POWERS to a hardened adult martial artist who's entire MO is stealth?

Yep, Valid Comparison.


Not to mention that the Batman in TDK isn't a newbie like Spider-man in this movie. I bet the very first time Batman ever did something like that he let out a WHOO HOO.

The people complaining about this are probably the type of people that sit like a rock on a rollercoaster instead of raising their arms and shouting. That is if they even go on rollercoasters since they probably think rollercoasters are too childish for them.

Dr. DVD 06-14-12 06:09 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 11272207)
Even Raimi's Spidey did that stuff. It's not really new. It's part of the character.

FWIW, I don't think either version should be yelling "woo hoo" or stuff like that. A teen with those kind of powers would most likely be saying stuff like:

"Fuck Yeah!!" or "God Damn!"

kgrogers1979 06-14-12 06:18 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Not everyone is a potty mouth.

Draven 06-14-12 07:36 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
The bigger question remains why do we have to sit through him discovering his powers again? If they don't start the movie in a lab when a spider is about to bite him, they've already failed. No one needs this origin AGAIN.

FRwL 06-14-12 08:24 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
I was just about to ask that too.

Solid Snake 06-14-12 08:34 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
Trailers show him in the lab. Then there's a scene w/ Conners and Gwen w/ the class. So I'm assuming he diverges away and bam...spider bite etc.

Draven 06-14-12 09:09 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 

Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 11272488)
Trailers show him in the lab. Then there's a scene w/ Conners and Gwen w/ the class. So I'm assuming he diverges away and bam...spider bite etc.

Oh, I'm guessing maybe we'll see Spider-Man for the first time around the half-hour mark. Gotta get through his family stuff, school scenes, intros of all characters, conspiracy groundwork, get him to the lab, designing web shooters, designing costume, maybe the wrestling fight again...cue soaring music at half-hour point.

Big Boy Laroux 06-14-12 09:40 PM

Re: Spider-Man (2012, Marc Webb)
 
You'll get no argument from me about rehashing the origin story. Totally unnecessary. They could have just replaced the cast and made #4. Or reboot with maybe 5 minutes (10 at most) recapping the origin and go from there.


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