movies that ask you to disregard events of previous movie
09-28-14, 08:39 PM
#76
Re: movies that ask you to disregard events of previous movie
I think this could have been a much shorter thread if someone would have just come out and said "almost every horror franchise ever".
09-28-14, 09:01 PM
#77
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Re: movies that ask you to disregard events of previous movie
The correct answer is still "every sequel to Highlander". All of them disregard the ending to Highlander and then they also disregard each other.
09-28-14, 09:05 PM
#78
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I think Skyfall's purpose was to roundly establish that Casino Royale going forward is a new Bond series free of the events of the previous movies. Judi Dench as M was just an instance where they liked the job she did portraying the character, and felt she would be the best choice to start the reboot. It's just the character in a different reality. Also, it can be inferred that some version of the Goldfinger story occurred to necessitate the classic car. Granted, if Q sector came up with that in modern times they were using pretty dated technology, but still...the only way Bond could have done that mission in the 60s is if he is in fact, immortal. But then again, Connery was portraying Bond, and it was proven in Highlander that he was indeed immortal (no way a Spanish man would ever talk like a Scotsman). But he was also beheaded, but it was proven in Highlander 2 that he could be resurrected regardless due to the events of the Dread Planet Zeist, so maybe that's what happened..deary me I've gone all cross-eyed. 
Anyhoo, I believe that the Bond movies from Dr. No to Die Another Day are a case where the Bond identity was passed from one agent to another. I also think that there is a possibility that the agent who took over the 007/Bond identity after YOLT was so scarred after what happened to Tracy that he most likely died seeking vengeance with a clouded mind. This necessitated the return of Connery's Bond.
Anyhoo, I believe that the Bond movies from Dr. No to Die Another Day are a case where the Bond identity was passed from one agent to another. I also think that there is a possibility that the agent who took over the 007/Bond identity after YOLT was so scarred after what happened to Tracy that he most likely died seeking vengeance with a clouded mind. This necessitated the return of Connery's Bond.
09-28-14, 10:32 PM
#79
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Re: movies that ask you to disregard events of previous movie
Any cut of Highlander: The Source disregards the producer's cut ending of Highlander: Endgame and disregards the ending of Highlander.
Highlander III ties into Highlander: The Series by having supernatural consequences to fighting on Holy Ground when the rule was established as merely tradition in Highlander. However, it makes no mention of Duncan thus it still ignores Highlander: The Series while finding a way to sidestep the ending of Highlander.
Yeah, the franchise is a continuity nightmare.
09-28-14, 10:35 PM
#80
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Re: movies that ask you to disregard events of previous movie
One other series with mentioning is Godzilla. The Showa series never had a strict continuity, except in a few cases (for example, Godzilla Raids Again being a direct sequel to Godzilla, and Terror of Mechagodzilla being a direct sequel to Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla), but whatever continuity was there, it was all rebooted when the Heisei series started with Godzilla (aka The Return of Godzilla aka Godzilla 1985). That movie asked you to forget every movie since the 1954 original, and developed its own continuity from there. Then the Millennium series gave us four reboots in a row, each of them again asking us to forget every movie since the 1954 original. Bond and Highlander ain't got shit on Godzilla.
09-29-14, 01:07 AM
#81
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The Showa films vaguely fit together for a while. Rodan comes out of the volcano after being entombed there in his debut, Ghidorah is observed by the alien civilization after attacking earth, the Mothra larvae are carried through until GTHM or so. Though exactly why Godzilla goes from force of nature to cuddly hero to sell toys is kind of vague, and after MZ, it basically drops continuity, which was ready pretty loose, altogether except for Gigan and Mechagodzilla appearing in two films each.
09-29-14, 01:10 AM
#82
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Re: movies that ask you to disregard events of previous movie
I've always liked the theory as it could mean we get a black Bond one day.
As Colin Salmon was in a few Bond films wouldn't it be great if his character was called up?
That won't happen though.
09-29-14, 01:13 AM
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Re: movies that ask you to disregard events of previous movie
Monsters University: Showing the characters want to go to school and learn to be scare-ers and win the scare competition and get jobs scaring kids requires us to completely forget what we already know; that the whole first film is about how the power utility's use of childrens' screams is unethical and that the power of their laughter is 10x more powerful.
I don't think I want to now.
09-29-14, 01:16 AM
#84
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Re: movies that ask you to disregard events of previous movie
I think Skyfall's purpose was to roundly establish that Casino Royale going forward is a new Bond series free of the events of the previous movies. Judi Dench as M was just an instance where they liked the job she did portraying the character, and felt she would be the best choice to start the reboot. It's just the character in a different reality. Also, it can be inferred that some version of the Goldfinger story occurred to necessitate the classic car. Granted, if Q sector came up with that in modern times they were using pretty dated technology, but still...the only way Bond could have done that mission in the 60s is if he is in fact, immortal.
09-29-14, 08:12 AM
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They talked about Idris Elba at one point too, didn't they? Personally, I think he'd be great. He's handsome as hell and could do the smooth charisma of Bond pretty well. I wouldn't have any problem with a black actor playing Bond 
. Bond absolutely has to be British. That's not negotiable. But other than that, as long as it's a good actor, it shouldn't make any difference.
. Bond absolutely has to be British. That's not negotiable. But other than that, as long as it's a good actor, it shouldn't make any difference.
09-30-14, 11:13 AM
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Re: movies that ask you to disregard events of previous movie
The Psycho series is a mess. II introduces an insulting retcon that is in turn un-retconned in III. They manage to rationalize the whole thing in-story but the behind-the-scenes back-and-forth between the different writers is very apparent. Then you get into the Bates Motel telefilm that totally disregards II and III and manages to even contradict the original film by showing Mrs. Bates buried on the property. Then you have another telefilm Psycho IV which completely ignores Bates Motel but refers to past events that chronologically match the releases of II and III but makes no effort to really reconcile the actual events of those films into the storyline.
09-30-14, 01:03 PM
#87
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Re: movies that ask you to disregard events of previous movie
Monsters University: Showing the characters want to go to school and learn to be scare-ers and win the scare competition and get jobs scaring kids requires us to completely forget what we already know; that the whole first film is about how the power utility's use of childrens' screams is unethical and that the power of their laughter is 10x more powerful.
09-30-14, 01:04 PM
#88
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Monsters University: Showing the characters want to go to school and learn to be scare-ers and win the scare competition and get jobs scaring kids requires us to completely forget what we already know; that the whole first film is about how the power utility's use of childrens' screams is unethical and that the power of their laughter is 10x more powerful.
09-30-14, 01:07 PM
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09-30-14, 01:11 PM
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I don't think he was saying it was a continuity issue, but that the audience knows that the basic premise of the film, learning how to scare children for energy, is ultimately undermined in the original film. So it's asking the audience to somewhat disregard that knowledge in some sense.
09-30-14, 01:19 PM
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The Psycho series is a mess. II introduces an insulting retcon that is in turn un-retconned in III. They manage to rationalize the whole thing in-story but the behind-the-scenes back-and-forth between the different writers is very apparent. Then you get into the Bates Motel telefilm that totally disregards II and III and manages to even contradict the original film by showing Mrs. Bates buried on the property. Then you have another telefilm Psycho IV which completely ignores Bates Motel but refers to past events that chronologically match the releases of II and III but makes no effort to really reconcile the actual events of those films into the storyline.
The event in Psycho II that I believe you're referring to
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09-30-14, 03:31 PM
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That is the ridiculous and insulting twist and even the writers of III hated it and basically re-reversed it as soon as they could.
But yeah, the whole issue of addressing II and III in IV is that it doesn't acknowledge what happened in those movies nor is it believable that Norman would be free and married after the events of them nor does the flashback stuff jibe at all with the mother switcheroo merry-go-round nonsense of II and III... but it does mention a couple of incidents that fit the release timeframe of II and III. Its almost as if they're humoring the series fans, it just doesn't hold up to 5 seconds of thought.
But yeah, I agree that there is an internal logic among the first three films, but the writer's hand is blatantly obvious going from film to film. You can believe within the story that this crazy woman lied to Norman about being his mother and then he found out later that it was all a lie, but as a human being watching a series of films that are written by other human beings you can recognize what basically amounts to a retroactive continuity struggle. This is even confirmed in that Psycho Legacy doc where the writer of III admits to hating the twist in II and intentionally twisting it right back to the way it was in the first film.
But yeah, the whole issue of addressing II and III in IV is that it doesn't acknowledge what happened in those movies nor is it believable that Norman would be free and married after the events of them nor does the flashback stuff jibe at all with the mother switcheroo merry-go-round nonsense of II and III... but it does mention a couple of incidents that fit the release timeframe of II and III. Its almost as if they're humoring the series fans, it just doesn't hold up to 5 seconds of thought.
But yeah, I agree that there is an internal logic among the first three films, but the writer's hand is blatantly obvious going from film to film. You can believe within the story that this crazy woman lied to Norman about being his mother and then he found out later that it was all a lie, but as a human being watching a series of films that are written by other human beings you can recognize what basically amounts to a retroactive continuity struggle. This is even confirmed in that Psycho Legacy doc where the writer of III admits to hating the twist in II and intentionally twisting it right back to the way it was in the first film.
09-30-14, 03:51 PM
#94
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I simply took it as the nod it was. But if you need to overthink it, just assume that zany gadgets like that were made before Bond's time (hence Q's "exploding pen" line) and Bond is an avid collector of outdated MI6 gadgets.
09-30-14, 04:10 PM
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But yeah, I agree that there is an internal logic among the first three films, but the writer's hand is blatantly obvious going from film to film. You can believe within the story that this crazy woman lied to Norman about being his mother and then he found out later that it was all a lie, but as a human being watching a series of films that are written by other human beings you can recognize what basically amounts to a retroactive continuity struggle. This is even confirmed in that Psycho Legacy doc where the writer of III admits to hating the twist in II and intentionally twisting it right back to the way it was in the first film.
10-01-14, 10:51 PM
#97
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Re: movies that ask you to disregard events of previous movie
Monsters University: Showing the characters want to go to school and learn to be scare-ers and win the scare competition and get jobs scaring kids requires us to completely forget what we already know; that the whole first film is about how the power utility's use of childrens' screams is unethical and that the power of their laughter is 10x more powerful.
10-03-14, 11:30 PM
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Re: movies that ask you to disregard events of previous movie
One of the multitude of reason I hate "Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me" was that we are pretty much supposed to disregard Austin falling in love and "growing up" in the first movie.
Hey its cool to ignore it, she was just a fembot...that called her mother.
Hey its cool to ignore it, she was just a fembot...that called her mother.
10-03-14, 11:55 PM
#99
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But, by and large the Austin Powers sequels were soulless cash-grabs.
10-07-14, 09:32 PM
#100
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Mike Myers still owes me an apology for "Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me". The change in tone from Bond Parody to cash-grab toilet humor offended me more than I can put to words.
But I guess he deserves praise for making the only movie I have ever wanted to walk out of.
But I guess he deserves praise for making the only movie I have ever wanted to walk out of.