X-Men: First Class (Vaughn, 2011)
01-20-11, 04:06 PM
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Fox is really dropping the ball with the advertising for this movie. This is a major tent pole release, we are 5 1/2 months out and are just now getting the teaser poster and generic cast shot. Maybe they are having issues figuring out how to market it, either way just put out some shots of the actors in action.
Again, I have to wonder if the quick turn-around is to either test it's viability for retention of the Fantastic Four rights or if the X-Men rights themselves are going to revert.
01-20-11, 04:20 PM
#327
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It is confusing!
01-20-11, 04:22 PM
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The film was always on a rushed schedule, same as Captain America this yr... it happens sometimes. Pirates 3, Indy 4... those first trailers didn't hit till Feb I think. It isn't the ideal situation for a studio, and Fox probably could've done a teaser of some kind for the holiday season, but I don't think it's related to reshoots, etc.
I do think this should've been a straight reboot, instead of a weird hybrid. But all well, if all goes well I hope we get a trilogy out of this group.
I do think this should've been a straight reboot, instead of a weird hybrid. But all well, if all goes well I hope we get a trilogy out of this group.
01-20-11, 04:45 PM
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I’d say this is more like Casino Royale than [JJ Abrams] Star Trek. If you think about it, Casino Royale just totally rebooted Bond — they kept what they wanted and got rid of what didn’t work. You sort of saw Bond become a double O for the first time and yet it didn’t seem to matter [what they changed]. I think my rule is to make a stand alone movie that is as good as possible and do as many nods and winks towards the comics and the other films, but not get tied up in knots worrying about that. It’s sort of a stand-alone movie in my mind with a reboot being a real reboot. Because if you’re a stickler for continuity, in X3 when you see Patrick Stewart…. well, I don’t want to give away anything about the plot but we’ve been as respectful of the other movies and comics as we I can feasibly can be without compromising the story.”
It is confusing!
It is confusing!
01-20-11, 05:04 PM
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Re: X-Men: First Class (Vaughn, 2011)
Okay, let's ignore comic versus movie continuity a second here. That wasn't even my initial issue anyway.
My problem is the continuity within the films themselves. Certain characters have appeared already in the other four movies (X-Men, X2, X-Men: The Last Stand, and X-Men Origins: Wolverine) that either prohibit their inclusion in the prequel (Jean Grey, Scott Summers, Warren Worthington III, and Ororo Munro [had her cameo in X-Men Origins: Wolverine not been cut]) or necesitate them to be recast with younger actors (Hank McCoy and Emma Frost). However, as far as we know, one of said characters (Emma Frost) was not recast with a younger actor. That alone would make this a reboot. But Vaughn insists that it's not a reboot at all (though his explanation is cloudy at best). So colour me confused.
My problem is the continuity within the films themselves. Certain characters have appeared already in the other four movies (X-Men, X2, X-Men: The Last Stand, and X-Men Origins: Wolverine) that either prohibit their inclusion in the prequel (Jean Grey, Scott Summers, Warren Worthington III, and Ororo Munro [had her cameo in X-Men Origins: Wolverine not been cut]) or necesitate them to be recast with younger actors (Hank McCoy and Emma Frost). However, as far as we know, one of said characters (Emma Frost) was not recast with a younger actor. That alone would make this a reboot. But Vaughn insists that it's not a reboot at all (though his explanation is cloudy at best). So colour me confused.
That's what makes me believe the rumors that the film is a mess and reshoots are not for pickup shots but to redo the film. The fact that Vaughn is out there saying the first photo was fake yet it features the characters in the same costumes as the "officially" released photos tells me that it wasn't. Maybe someone did a quick mockup, but that someone was definitely a part of the production team.
Again, I have to wonder if the quick turn-around is to either test it's viability for retention of the Fantastic Four rights or if the X-Men rights themselves are going to revert.
Again, I have to wonder if the quick turn-around is to either test it's viability for retention of the Fantastic Four rights or if the X-Men rights themselves are going to revert.
01-20-11, 05:56 PM
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Re: X-Men: First Class (Vaughn, 2011)
I think any likeness to actual comic book characters is purely coincidental at this point with the movies.
01-20-11, 10:57 PM
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Good point. I don't recall if they named her at all. Kinda like Psylocke in X-Men: The Last Stand. She was named in the end credits but not in the actual movie.
01-20-11, 11:00 PM
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I don't understand why they didn't do this movie with Cyclops, Jean Grey, Angel, Iceman and Beast. What would have been wrong with that?
01-20-11, 11:09 PM
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I think in the movie she's referred to as just Emma but in the original tv spots, she was identified as Emma Frost; I think that was the idea but the higher-ups probably nixed a full-on commitment to her as the character.
As to Vaughn, he definitely made it seem like it was fake in the sense that he kept saying it didn't come from Fox. To the layman, that's pretty much saying it's fake even though there's the nuance of different companies that work on any given film production.
As to Vaughn, he definitely made it seem like it was fake in the sense that he kept saying it didn't come from Fox. To the layman, that's pretty much saying it's fake even though there's the nuance of different companies that work on any given film production.
01-21-11, 09:12 AM
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Re: X-Men: First Class (Vaughn, 2011)
Okay, let's ignore comic versus movie continuity a second here. That wasn't even my initial issue anyway.
My problem is the continuity within the films themselves. Certain characters have appeared already in the other four movies (X-Men, X2, X-Men: The Last Stand, and X-Men Origins: Wolverine) that either prohibit their inclusion in the prequel (Jean Grey, Scott Summers, Warren Worthington III, and Ororo Munro [had her cameo in X-Men Origins: Wolverine not been cut]) or necesitate them to be recast with younger actors (Hank McCoy and Emma Frost). However, as far as we know, one of said characters (Emma Frost) was not recast with a younger actor. That alone would make this a reboot. But Vaughn insists that it's not a reboot at all (though his explanation is cloudy at best). So colour me confused.
My problem is the continuity within the films themselves. Certain characters have appeared already in the other four movies (X-Men, X2, X-Men: The Last Stand, and X-Men Origins: Wolverine) that either prohibit their inclusion in the prequel (Jean Grey, Scott Summers, Warren Worthington III, and Ororo Munro [had her cameo in X-Men Origins: Wolverine not been cut]) or necesitate them to be recast with younger actors (Hank McCoy and Emma Frost). However, as far as we know, one of said characters (Emma Frost) was not recast with a younger actor. That alone would make this a reboot. But Vaughn insists that it's not a reboot at all (though his explanation is cloudy at best). So colour me confused.
There have been little things like that in all the X-Men movies, like Hank McCoy's cameo in X-Men 2 that just don't quite fit.
01-21-11, 12:41 PM
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From CBR:
Is it trouble for the film? El Mayimbe at Latino Review reports the flack over the group shot earlier in the week is indicative of a growing rift between director Matthew Vaughn and the studio. He writes, "The movie is still shooting in LA while Vaughn is somewhere else editing. They're shooting at the Culver City Studios for the next couple of weeks. The official story is that they're just shooting pick ups but the reality is ...that hot mess of a film has not been coming together. Vaughn and company ran from location to location but never got the right stuff, or stuff that worked. That's what's happening right now - while he's cutting the film somebody else is shooting literally six weeks - almost a whole film - worth of stuff."
01-21-11, 01:04 PM
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Couldn't that simply be a second unit (action sequences) shoot?
01-21-11, 01:13 PM
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01-21-11, 05:51 PM
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01-21-11, 06:41 PM
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Well....Fassbender looks like he can play a badass Magneto...just not sure how I feel about that helmet size. I like the design...just...maybe it's a bit too big? Like maybe...1/2 inch smaller might make it look better but whatever....that's nitpicking...he looks good.
Here's Prof. X...uhm...thinking...something...
Remember that X-Men: First Class cast photo that leaked online yesterday that you hated? Director Matthew Vaughn hated it too. While I was heading out the door to the airport (Sundance Film Festival here I come) I received a phone call from Vaughn who wanted to set the record straight about the photo. And to make up for it he gave us two much more inspiring images of the main characters in his upcoming superhero film.
“I freaked out on them yesterday. I don’t know where the hell that came from. I don’t think it’s a Fox image. It’s not a pre-approved image. When I found out, I said, what the fuck is this shit, and Fox is running around trying to figure out what happened as well. I agree. It’s like a bad photoshop, which maybe it was by someone. It didn’t reflect the movie. I was shocked when I saw it. I was like ‘Jesus Christ’…
Vaughn assures fans that he has the best intentions.
“I’m a fan of X-Men. We’re not bastardizing X-Men, I’m trying to get them back to being whole again.
As for the costumes…
The costumes are blue and yellow as well, because fuck it, lets take it back it the original. Also, by the way, those costumes are hardly in the movie. The main costumes are like these cool 60’s James Bond…”
You have to remember that this is a prequel story about how the mutants gathered together and formed the X-Men. I’m sure the suits don’t come together until very late in the game. Vaughn provided us with two exclusive images from the film which show James McAvoy as a pre-wheel chair Professor Charles Xavier and a costumed Michael Fassbender as Erik Lehnsherr, complete with Magneto’s trademark helmet.
“I freaked out on them yesterday. I don’t know where the hell that came from. I don’t think it’s a Fox image. It’s not a pre-approved image. When I found out, I said, what the fuck is this shit, and Fox is running around trying to figure out what happened as well. I agree. It’s like a bad photoshop, which maybe it was by someone. It didn’t reflect the movie. I was shocked when I saw it. I was like ‘Jesus Christ’…
Vaughn assures fans that he has the best intentions.
“I’m a fan of X-Men. We’re not bastardizing X-Men, I’m trying to get them back to being whole again.
As for the costumes…
The costumes are blue and yellow as well, because fuck it, lets take it back it the original. Also, by the way, those costumes are hardly in the movie. The main costumes are like these cool 60’s James Bond…”
You have to remember that this is a prequel story about how the mutants gathered together and formed the X-Men. I’m sure the suits don’t come together until very late in the game. Vaughn provided us with two exclusive images from the film which show James McAvoy as a pre-wheel chair Professor Charles Xavier and a costumed Michael Fassbender as Erik Lehnsherr, complete with Magneto’s trademark helmet.
Here's Prof. X...uhm...thinking...something...
01-21-11, 06:55 PM
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Re: X-Men: First Class (Vaughn, 2011)
The helmet size is fine. Its the internal padding that is messed up as it is not situated well on his head. It being slightly off sorta reminds me a child's costume. By necessity a kids costume needs to fit all types of heads so it not fitting right is fine. No excuse for that in a major movie.
01-21-11, 06:57 PM
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Re: X-Men: First Class (Vaughn, 2011)
well the bottom of it is hitting his shoulder...so..that's why it's off. I wonder if Fassbender has cut himself a bit w/ that nose point on the helmet?
01-22-11, 12:13 AM
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