I think you may be taking the film too seriously.

Actually I'm positive you are taking it too seriously. Did you see Grindhouse?

This movie looks fantastic, I love Jessica Albas line, "We didn't cross the border! The border crossed us!"

This movie looks waaay to cheesy for me. Besides, who want to watch a spin off of "Spy Kids"?

Uhm...being Mexican born from..Mexican parents who moved here and got married and etc etc. I think this movie is hilarious. I hope you're just joking. That guy ranting is crazy. I dunno wtf he's going on about. It's an "exploitation" style film...except it's also not such a film of that nature.

There weren't any Mexploitation films back in the day here in the US (at least ones that got popular or matter)...RR thought it'd be cool to make one..and well...it is cool. Being a film major all I can do is just give props to RR cuz of the guts he has to release a film like this...a film that potentially may very well bomb but be a cult kind of thing.

Also..it's so fucking cheesy on purpose that if people take this shit seriously I just can't comprehend that nonsense.

I must be too young to get the joke. I saw Grindhouse and just thought it was pretty lame. Never heard of a "grindhouse" or understood what the hell they were homaging. The "Thanksgiving" trailer and the car chase at the end of Death Proof were about the only parts of it worth watching.

The "grindhouse" schtick just seems like an excuse to make a shitty movie real quick and call it "ironic" and make money off the fanboys. I have an idea, I'm going to make a really bad movie, then say I made it bad on purpose. Is that how it works?

No shit. A film that looks this cheesy with a famous cast is obviously cheesy on purpose. But that doesn't negate the fact that it still is cheesy, and not mine or a lot of peoples kind of thing.

Lamphorn-How old are you? I'm 23. Grindhouse-It's just RR and QT having fun making homages to the films they love and grew up with. If you don't get it, that's your problem. I never have seen a film of that nature but know a lot about them out personal knowledge, dunno how...sure as hell wasn't from my Film History class.

It's just a style, man. Let it go. Why didn't you like Grindhouse? I thought they were great love letters to the era but made w/ great directors. That's the difference. I mean Planet Terror was a shit ton of loving for John Carpenter. Death Proof was a 70s slasher flick but..instead of a literal slashing it's an orgasmic killing with a car....by a Stuntman gone homicidal mad.

Blu Man-And that's fine, I'm not snapping at anybody who doesn't like what RR is selling. I'm just not able to understand how people get offended by it especially when they hear the birth of the project.

I'm in my 30's. I guess I "get" it, I just think they're homaging really bad movies. While Tarantino is a great director and can do it well, it's still a bad movie. RR isn't very talented, in my opinion. I like his attitude and loved "Rebel Without a Crew" as an inspiring book, but I find his directing and writing to be terribly amateurish and film-school.

Grindhouse was a good in-joke, but the guys should have actually made it for a grindhouse budget, because as I understand it, the movie was such a flop it damn near put the Weinsteins out of business.

As far as being offended goes. If something is offensive, people should be offended. I'm sure the blackface minstrel show guys said it was "just a joke" too. Imagine a shit-kicking Chuck Norris parody about a bunch of Minute Men mowing down hoards of totally racist stereotypes of Mexicans crossing the border, do you think claiming it's just a joke would carry any water?

I still can't believe people are getting offended over Machete.


Seriously, get the sand out of your vagina.


They might as well not ever make any movies ever again, because somebody will find a way to be offended by something in it.

Original films considered "Grindhouse" were often shitty films, produced very quickly and on low budgets. Quite a few find themselves in the so bad they are great category. That's part of the charm of that era of film making. Aside from the often vulgar nature, over the top-ness, politically incorrect tones, etc.. etc.. they offered a high degree of entertainment value for some. If you didn't grow up with these types of exploitation films or have in more recent times learned to identify or appreciate some of the classics, then any of these newer model "throwback" films will probably be a loss to you. For the rest of us, it would seem that there aren't enough good theatrically released exploitation films reminiscent of a mostly forgotten era of film making.

I actually have a problem with the political message (intentional or not) embedded within Machete, but it looks so insane I just can't help myself. I'll be seeing even if I have drive 20 miles into Boston to do it ....

El Mariachi! Didn't Rodriquez slap down this little gem on a $10K budget or something? Now that's what it's all about...

Yes, the blackface stuff was offensive but that was offensive to begin with (and also out of ignorance). Yet it's been reproduced in a tasteful form of humor sense that time. Also that Norris parody is different. It has not actual basis or popular impact of culture for people to be "ok" with it. RR and QT rolled with something that was cool and did it in their style and it worked. Finanically...no but critically it was recognized.

Machete has a huge pop culture basis. The exploitations films of the 70s that were huge and by huge I mean as wave of cinema. We had tons of Blaxploitation films, Shaft for example (for which I haven't seen the film but I enjoy it's impact on film) and Dolemite and Foxy Brown and many more, here in the US. I can't think of any Mexploitation films. And RR is just making Machete as his form of a Mexploitation film. I mean...if a Mexploitation film was made back in the day I'm sure I'd see a Mexican trying to take down The Gringo that has pushed the Mexican to whatever the cheesy plot needs to propel him to. I think it's cool and funny to see something like that made now...in an obvious cheesy attempt of getting that vibe.

Yeah, but that was made in the style of the many crappy action films Mexico had in the 80s....difference w/ El Maricahi from all of those crappy Mexican action films is that RR had imagination and and a competent sense of filmmaking. I like El Mariachi(saw it for the 1st time 2 years ago)..love and grew up w/ Desperado. El Mariachi wasn't Mexploitation.

Yeah, but that's also a bit of PR. We never really saw the 10K version. The studio put it through major clean-up and post-production that cost several times that amount.

I assume you're talking about the home format release.

Then what theme is common for films considered Mexploitation? The film itself shares a lot of elements found within early US exploitation films but I really don't know which elements don't make it a Mexploitation film.

No, the theatrical release. I understand they did a lot of work to it before blowing it up to 35mm.

Welcome to America.

lamphorn is the new wmlopez.

There aren't enough facepalms in the world for that youtube rant.

I love the headline montage that features a lingering "page not found" screen.

Yeah but...those are all made for Mexican/Spanish audiences in their home countries. It's not made in the US for those audiences in the US. Also....god...I've seen some of them...especially any film w/ a Luchador....they're so horrible as an adult but sooooo enjoyable as a kid.

I still love El Santo in all his cheesy Luchador Enmascarado glory even to this day.

I haven't seen them since probably the early 90s but man...they're fun if you "get" them. They're crazy cheesy awesomeness.

That youtube rant is epic in over reacting to a movie trailer. RR should rename the movie There Will Be White Blood.

There was one I'd watch all the time with twin masked heroes. I always had a blast that they'd sleep (and I think they even showered) with their masks on. And it was always awesome seeing these two masked guys just cruising in their car (I think it was a convertible).

Now I wanna watch some of these again.

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