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Old 12-28-11 | 11:57 PM
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Why? It basically makes perfect sense if you ask me.
Yeah, well you haven't disliked a single piece of news about this movie.
Old 12-28-11 | 11:58 PM
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I dislike it greatly, if true.
Agreed.
Old 12-29-11 | 12:00 AM
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It's increasingly looking like The Dark Knight was a fluke.
Old 12-29-11 | 12:01 AM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

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Yeah, well you haven't disliked a single piece of news about this movie.
You just don't know how to stop do you? The way those spoilers read out make pretty clear sense to me is all I said. I didn't say it was perfect and there's a couple things in there I'm skeptical on but overall I think it makes sense given the rest of the trilogy. I could see it playing out that way and for the most part I wouldn't mind if it was true.
Old 12-29-11 | 12:10 AM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Originally Posted by Mike86
Why? It basically makes perfect sense if you ask me.
What makes perfect sense?

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That Bruce is believed dead? I think that's a terrible end, and frankly just nothing that I care to see conclude the series. If that were a part of a bigger story arc or led to another movie then I wouldn't mind, but Batman should always be about the duality of him and Bruce and i'd rather see some sort of peace from Bruce about what Batman means to Gotham, not eliminate Bruce Wayne completely. Regardless of the stuff about Bruce being the mask and Batman the real person from the first film.


Nolan hasn't let me down yet, but on paper it sounds very poor to me. We'll see how it actually plays out.
Old 12-29-11 | 12:15 AM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Originally Posted by fumanstan
What makes perfect sense?

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That Bruce is believed dead? I think that's a terrible end, and frankly just nothing that I care to see conclude the series. If that were a part of a bigger story arc or led to another movie then I wouldn't mind, but Batman should always be about the duality of him and Bruce and i'd rather see some sort of peace from Bruce about what Batman means, not eliminate Bruce Wayne completely. Regardless of the stuff about Bruce being the mask and Batman the real person from the first film.
I agree with you on that part. I should have said that the first time I quoted you that was the only part of that spoiler I'm not too keen on. The rest seems like it could fit pretty well with this story though.
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I'm not sure I completely like that idea either that Bruce "dies" or fakes his death, but the rest of it seems pretty good and seems plausible to me. To me though the part about Bruce being "dead" doesn't exactly seem right since Nolan has said that this movie would have a definitive ending and that isn't really definitive. That would leave it pretty open for someone to do a sequel so I don't know if I believe that part.


I will say though
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Since this movie is somewhat grounded in reality Bruce realizing that it would be easier to carry on as Batman if he was "dead" to the rest of the world makes sense to me kind of. Him leading a double life as Bruce Wayne and Batman is a much harder act to keep up, and him realizing that Bruce Wayne is his "mask" and that Batman is what he is meant to be sort of makes sense to me. I still don't love the idea though.

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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

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What makes perfect sense?

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That Bruce is believed dead? I think that's a terrible end, and frankly just nothing that I care to see conclude the series. If that were a part of a bigger story arc or led to another movie then I wouldn't mind, but Batman should always be about the duality of him and Bruce and i'd rather see some sort of peace from Bruce about what Batman means to Gotham, not eliminate Bruce Wayne completely. Regardless of the stuff about Bruce being the mask and Batman the real person from the first film.
Well, to be honest, that theme isn't only from the first film. The fact that Bruce Wayne is a mask has been a running theme in the Batman series since the 80's.

There was even that famous line about Bruce from the comics that when he thinks, in his own mind, he refers to himself as Batman, not Bruce Wayne.
Old 12-29-11 | 12:21 AM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

I'm aware of that, but i'm just talking in the context of the movies and what might be justification for the story arc.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Originally Posted by Dragon Tattoo
It's increasingly looking like The Dark Knight was a fluke.
I really hope not though my faith in him has been shaken since Inception.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Originally Posted by Dragon Tattoo
Well, to be honest, that theme isn't only from the first film. The fact that Bruce Wayne is a mask has been a running theme in the Batman series since the 80's.

There was even that famous line about Bruce from the comics that when he thinks, in his own mind, he refers to himself as Batman, not Bruce Wayne.
That's actually one of my favorite lines from Batman Beyond as well...
Old 12-29-11 | 12:44 AM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

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I really hope not though my faith in him has been shaken since Inception.
Nolan has overall made pretty good movies in my opinion. It's unfair to say The Dark Knight was a fluke even if you don't like Inception. His filmography is still pretty strong. Plus I don't really understand why Inception is hated on even if it's not my favorite movie of his.

Both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were really good movies and he's really taken the character and made some damn respectable stories especially after the character was basically dead in the water after Joel Schumacher. I have enough faith in him that he'll pull off another good movie. People expecting it to be as good as The Dark Knight are probably bound to be disappointed because that movie was such a phenomenon and it'll be hard to capture that magic again. I do think this movie will be equal to or better than Batman Begins though (which isn't a bad thing at all).

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Old 12-29-11 | 04:25 AM
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No source so take it with a grain of salt, but it sounds reasonable.

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Bane works with the LOS,but isn't an actual member...he and his group of mercenaries are hired by the League to take down Gotham....

Miranda Tate is 100% Talia Al Ghul....she serves as a bit of a love interest,gaining Bruce's ear and being a shoulder to cry on for him,then betrays him....

the poster is literally a scene from the film...the first big fight between Bane and Batman takes place in the sewers under the foootball field Bane blows up....Batman is beaten,defeated,but his back isn't broken...Bane rips part of his mask off and knocks him unconscious,then drops the mask to the ground and walks away,leaving his henchmen to take Batman away...but Bruce IS beaten severely enough to need a cane to walk when he returns...

Bane reveals it was Harvey Dent who killed all those people,and Batman and Gordon covered it up,leading the citizens to riot...

Bane has control of Gotham due to the device he used to destroy the football field...he announces his plan to use it to level all of Gotham if the National Guard enters the city,hence his ability to control it...

it's revealed Bane was rescued from a fire as a child by Ra's al Ghul...he was horribly scarred and his lungs were permanently damaged,hence the need for the mask which helps him breathe but also gives him a form of Venom that kills the paralyzing pain he would feel from his injuries...

Catwoman/Selina's background and story is quite similar to the Year One version....

the final battle takes place in the Batcave,with both a maskless Bruce and maskless Bane going at it...in the end,they both die....sort of....we then get a montage that explains that to the world Bruce Wayne is dead - there's even a tombstone placed in the Wayne cemetary next to his parents - but Batman still lurks above the streets of Gotham...so it implies Bruce Wayne is gone,and only the Batman remains from that point foward...

I can't say much more on the subject, but from what I've heard at least one part of that summary is wrong.

Bane is most famous (in the comics) for one very specific thing he does to Batman. I've heard he also does it in the movie.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Anne Hathaway makes some very good points about playing Selina Kyle and the history that goes with it, while the article's opening reveals a plot spoiler that's adding to the pile of questions about the film:

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/...full-of-grace/
Old 12-29-11 | 11:07 AM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

I don't know why people feel the supposed leaked synopsis would be a sell out because more sequels are possible. Nolan said this film would be an end to his Batman films, but that the door would be left open for future storylines.

Also, I saw the prologue during M:I 4 and... um, it sure didn't get me excited for the film. Bane's voice isn't terrible, but it's not easy to make out most of what he's saying. It wasn't nearly as thrilling as the TDK prologue.
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Originally Posted by Dragon Tattoo
It's increasingly looking like The Dark Knight was a fluke.
You didn't love Memento, Batman Begins, The Prestige, or Inception?
Old 12-29-11 | 11:48 AM
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I actually like the ending spoilered IF
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Bruce Wayne really IS dead and it's John Blake as Batman at the end...knowing Nolan, he'll proabably make that ambiguous - so we can spend a whole thread debating whether Bruce Wayne is really dead and if his top stopped spinning.
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Originally Posted by Dragon Tattoo
Well, to be honest, that theme isn't only from the first film. The fact that Bruce Wayne is a mask has been a running theme in the Batman series since the 80's.

There was even that famous line about Bruce from the comics that when he thinks, in his own mind, he refers to himself as Batman, not Bruce Wayne.
They're both masks. Bruce Wayne is the person who was raised with the ideals of his parents and Alfred later. Bruce Wayne is the person who is driven to prevent people from going through what he did.

If society would allow the billionaire head of Wayne Enterprises to spend his nights as a vigilante and if he didn't have to worry about endangering those around him he wouldn't need to hide his identity.

I love the Dini/Timm/DCAU version of the character and it's the closest to definitive but the idea of him considering himself "Batman" internally has always seemed hilariously absurd to me. Batman isn't Wayne's true nature, Batman protects Wayne's true nature.
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There was a very nice spot in the GN of Arkham Asylum that addressed Batman's dual identity. Black Mask wanted to remove Batman's mask and the Joker stops him claiming "that IS his real face." I always felt this is what inspired Joker's "You're just a freak, like me," line in TDK as well as hint that Joker had an idea as to Batman's real identity.

The Anne Hathaway article kind of negates some parts of earlier reports, including the one that was just posted regarding how the movie plays. I have to say, I'm rather impressed with what I have seen of her performance so far. She seems to be going for a darker version of Selina, and doing so surprisingly well.

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Anne Hathaway makes some very good points about playing Selina Kyle and the history that goes with it, while the article's opening reveals a plot spoiler that's adding to the pile of questions about the film:

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/...full-of-grace/
Happy to see the author makes sure to set the record straight and acknowledge Bill Finger when the obligatory Kane's name comes up.


as far as the leaked synopsis goes, I wouldn't be surprised to see it more correct than not.
Spoiler:

Injuring Bruce to the point that he needs a cane provides enough rationale to keep him out of the action for a good chunk of the story- and ties into scenes and dialogue in the trailers. And makes for a more reasonable excuse to see him come back in the fourth or fifth act and make a final stand.

The killing him off idea strikes me as lame at first glance, but when you go back to the first film and the tortured dialogue that Holmes was stuck with in the end scene, and then having that theme further emphasized in TDK with the conversations with Joker, then that ending actually would fit the story he's been telling. May not be what people particularly want to see go down, but it wouldn't be an out of left field choice just for the sake of being radical.

"Bane reveals it was Harvey Dent who killed all those people,and Batman and Gordon covered it up,leading the citizens to riot..." There may be riots, but using this as the impetus for them would be truly silly. Eight years on, I'm sure people couldn't care less. But that would fit in with the idiocy of the shuttle boat sequence in TDK, so maybe that will be how it goes down.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt
I actually like the ending spoilered IF
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Bruce Wayne really IS dead and it's John Blake as Batman at the end...knowing Nolan, he'll proabably make that ambiguous - so we can spend a whole thread debating whether Bruce Wayne is really dead and if his top stopped spinning.
Spoiler:
I'll take a different spin on it. If the spoiler is true, then it would be cool to then jump into Batman Beyond. The future is Bruce Wayne cooped up in his house, where a younger, less contained kid (Terry McGinnis) takes over the reigns as Batman. Bruce sits at home in the batcave providing support, while Terry does all the work. The ending would set that up perfectly.
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I'd prefer this universe not make that future one.
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I would.
Old 12-29-11 | 08:25 PM
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I don't know why I bothered, and take it with a huge grain of salt, but some guy on the IMDb board (I know, I know) claims to have done post-production work on the film and he seemed to indicate that
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Bruce doesn't "pass on" the Batman identity to anyone else. He said only Nolan and the higher ups have seen the film's final act.
Old 12-29-11 | 08:44 PM
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That Nolan is a secretive sonofabitch.
Old 12-29-11 | 08:48 PM
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I don't know why I bothered, and take it with a huge grain of salt, but some guy on the IMDb board (I know, I know) claims to have done post-production work on the film and he seemed to indicate that ...
Neither direction would surprise me.
All the comments so far from Nolan and others have indicated the thrust of the conclusion was resolving the story of Bruce Wayne with some degree of finality.
In my eyes that means one of two results
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incapacitated mentor or the Wayne persona dies. The only thing that would surprise me is if Wayne himself physically dies. That would be the least creatively satisfying of any of the alternatives imo.


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