The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)
12-24-11 | 05:30 PM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)
I was in rapt attention and found it very difficult to understand most of what Bane said. I would assume at least some of his lines are important. At first I thought it was me, but for the most part my group was in agreement, some getting more the others less.
That didn't completely stop me from enjoying the prologue though. If Nolan wants to add some legit subtitles, that will be cool.
That didn't completely stop me from enjoying the prologue though. If Nolan wants to add some legit subtitles, that will be cool.
12-24-11 | 06:03 PM
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After seeing Nolans first two films, I don't think Batman exists well in a recognizable, realistic universe. I think the character needs a stylized backdrop not to call attention to the properties innate absurdities.
Burton presented a sufficiently stylized universe. However what he continually failed to do was to present an engaging three act story with interesting and sympathetic characters. The plays the thing. I may have issues with a lot of the details in the films, but Nolan has made what are overall very engaging films. Even I don't dispute that. I think the same could be done with a vastly different sensibility- maybe even more successfully as the surreality of the style might suit the premise better.
12-24-11 | 06:13 PM
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I got this book for The Dark Knight: http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Knight-Fe...4768013&sr=1-2
Hope they do one like it for Rises.
Hope they do one like it for Rises.
Not a bad book at all.
12-24-11 | 06:27 PM
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I used to think the problem with those movies was that they were just too over-the-top and poorly executed, but I think the concept from the very beginning was flawed. I did like the Brave and the Bold TV series, but I don't think that kind of movie can work.
After seeing Nolans first two films, I don't think Batman exists well in a recognizable, realistic universe. I think the character needs a stylized backdrop not to call attention to the properties innate absurdities.
Burton presented a sufficiently stylized universe. However what he continually failed to do was to present an engaging three act story with interesting and sympathetic characters. The plays the thing. I may have issues with a lot of the details in the films, but Nolan has made what are overall very engaging films. Even I don't dispute that. I think the same could be done with a vastly different sensibility- maybe even more successfully as the surreality of the style might suit the premise better.
12-24-11 | 07:03 PM
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What about Batman and Robin and Batman Forever?
I used to think the problem with those movies was that they were just too over-the-top and poorly executed, but I think the concept from the very beginning was flawed. I did like the Brave and the Bold TV series, but I don't think that kind of movie can work.
I used to think the problem with those movies was that they were just too over-the-top and poorly executed, but I think the concept from the very beginning was flawed. I did like the Brave and the Bold TV series, but I don't think that kind of movie can work.
The more I think about it, the Sprang era material already has been done in live action. That's exactly what the Adam West show was. In fact, some of the episodes were near literal adaptions of a few stories. That's also the kind of surreality I was alluding to- where a guy can walk around in an outlandish costume and interact with various people and they all take it in an unblinking, matter of fact way. To me, it works in that universe and context. I have a much harder time buying it in Nolan's deadly serious mirror reality.
In addition you have reliable supporting players like Neil Hamilton that shade their delivery with just the right amount of hyperbolic conviction. Out of context it's silly, over the top, and campy. In the context of the show as it's unfolding, that tone is seamless and appropriate.
Just imagine the TV show with a real mega-million dollar budget, spectacular production design, state of the art special effects, and directed by someone with a grand visual sense. I would love to see something like that- although the shows biggest asset, Adam West, would be just about impossible to replace or replicate. He doesn't get enough credit for his performance. Aside from the Batman-voice, I do like a lot of things about Bale. But in most ways Adam West remains the definitive Batman/Bruce Wayne to me. At least I'll always believe that he believed he was that character.
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12-24-11 | 10:12 PM
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CIA dude asks Bane what would happen if he took off his face mask and he responded, "It would be painful." I was thinking, "Yeah, I bet that would be very painful, he needs it." My brother later pointed out that he added, "To you." Duh. I missed that bit and it totally changed the meaning behind that line.
But I still loved every second of it and really liked Hardy's accent. I trust Nolan will work everything out.
12-25-11 | 01:10 PM
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I didn't have an issue understanding Bane in the prologue bootleg I watched, but I definitely prefer his voice from the trailer. Of course, it very well could be the same since the audio of the bootleg is subpar.
Anyone else notice in the prologue that
Nothing major, but didn't notice mention of it elsewhere.
Anyone else notice in the prologue that
Spoiler:
Nothing major, but didn't notice mention of it elsewhere.
12-27-11 | 02:48 AM
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Judging from the trailers, I think I have a solid guess at how this will go down.
We see Bruce with a cane in various scenes that must take place in the first act, namely the masquerade ball and interacting with Miranda and Selina. We also see him on a patio above the ceremony for Dent. This all presumably takes place before he fights Bane.
So, it seems to me that Bruce hurts himself fighting some thugs or other character prior to meeting Bane. This sets the tone for him being older, not as quick/strong, being weary of the suit, etc. He decides he wants to ease into his retirement and settle down. Enter Bane. Bruce has no choice but to face him, and Bane easily exposes Bruce's weakness and severely injures him. Bruce becomes imprisoned. We've seen the short teaser shot of Bruce doing pushups in the prison. We've also seen the trailer shot of Bruce in the prison appearing to walk without a cane.
So, for whatever reason he escapes the prison reinvigorated and returned to full strength. The Dark Knight rises, defeats Bane, and saves Gotham.
We see Bruce with a cane in various scenes that must take place in the first act, namely the masquerade ball and interacting with Miranda and Selina. We also see him on a patio above the ceremony for Dent. This all presumably takes place before he fights Bane.
So, it seems to me that Bruce hurts himself fighting some thugs or other character prior to meeting Bane. This sets the tone for him being older, not as quick/strong, being weary of the suit, etc. He decides he wants to ease into his retirement and settle down. Enter Bane. Bruce has no choice but to face him, and Bane easily exposes Bruce's weakness and severely injures him. Bruce becomes imprisoned. We've seen the short teaser shot of Bruce doing pushups in the prison. We've also seen the trailer shot of Bruce in the prison appearing to walk without a cane.
So, for whatever reason he escapes the prison reinvigorated and returned to full strength. The Dark Knight rises, defeats Bane, and saves Gotham.
12-27-11 | 06:43 AM
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Are we sure that's Bruce with a cane? We see a figure walking up to some dishes and we barely catche a glimpse at his reflection. It's also a poorly kept secret that
has a cameo late in the film so I'm guessing it's
we see in the trailer and he's either gonna mock Bruce over his defeat at the hands of Bane or help him
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
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12-27-11 | 03:00 PM
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In the brief shot of Marion Cotillard moving the mask from her face at that ball, there's a follow-up to that where you see Bruce standing in front of her and he is clearly leaning on a cane.
12-27-11 | 11:55 PM
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)
Judging from the trailers, I think I have a solid guess at how this will go down.
We see Bruce with a cane in various scenes that must take place in the first act, namely the masquerade ball and interacting with Miranda and Selina. We also see him on a patio above the ceremony for Dent. This all presumably takes place before he fights Bane.
So, it seems to me that Bruce hurts himself fighting some thugs or other character prior to meeting Bane. This sets the tone for him being older, not as quick/strong, being weary of the suit, etc. He decides he wants to ease into his retirement and settle down. Enter Bane. Bruce has no choice but to face him, and Bane easily exposes Bruce's weakness and severely injures him. Bruce becomes imprisoned. We've seen the short teaser shot of Bruce doing pushups in the prison. We've also seen the trailer shot of Bruce in the prison appearing to walk without a cane.
So, for whatever reason he escapes the prison reinvigorated and returned to full strength. The Dark Knight rises, defeats Bane, and saves Gotham.
We see Bruce with a cane in various scenes that must take place in the first act, namely the masquerade ball and interacting with Miranda and Selina. We also see him on a patio above the ceremony for Dent. This all presumably takes place before he fights Bane.
So, it seems to me that Bruce hurts himself fighting some thugs or other character prior to meeting Bane. This sets the tone for him being older, not as quick/strong, being weary of the suit, etc. He decides he wants to ease into his retirement and settle down. Enter Bane. Bruce has no choice but to face him, and Bane easily exposes Bruce's weakness and severely injures him. Bruce becomes imprisoned. We've seen the short teaser shot of Bruce doing pushups in the prison. We've also seen the trailer shot of Bruce in the prison appearing to walk without a cane.
So, for whatever reason he escapes the prison reinvigorated and returned to full strength. The Dark Knight rises, defeats Bane, and saves Gotham.
I got the idea because Nolan likes to do flashbacks.
12-28-11 | 09:13 AM
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Spoiler:
12-28-11 | 03:40 PM
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12-28-11 | 03:51 PM
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12-28-11 | 04:11 PM
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a/s/l?
12-28-11 | 07:29 PM
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If true :
Spoiler:
12-28-11 | 07:47 PM
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I dunno. If true, I kinda like it
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Spoiler:
12-28-11 | 11:18 PM
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If those spoilers are actually true this could play out very interestingly if you ask me.
12-28-11 | 11:28 PM
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