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Supermallet 12-16-10 03:16 AM

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If it had just been visuals of the Grid set to the music of Daft Punk, it would have been a better movie.

Panda Phil 12-16-10 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 10546169)
For a movie like this, a sin worse than being dumb is being boring, and boy, is it ever boring.

Yeah, I think we got the message.

B5Erik 12-16-10 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackskeleton (Post 10545207)
I enjoyed the hell out of the film. The plot was still a lot more in-depth than the first film, I know that's not saying much, but I want to see it again asap cause it really was a great looking and sounding film, man.

Also, Jeff Bridges.. fucking awesome.

I'm looking forward to watching this on Sunday. I'm going to watch the original with the family on Saturday to get everyone up to speed.

Tron was one of those movies you either bought into or didn't - there wasn't much in between. I bought into it - it's a fun movie with some great visuals.

Truffaut Fan 12-16-10 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. DVD (Post 10546091)
I just hope it's roaring good time. If Boba's descriptions are correct, I'm sure I won't be disappointed. I'm not expecting anything more than dumb, fun time, but not one that insults like Michael Bay.

While it isn't as bad as a Michael Bay film, it's damn close. It's certainly entertaining visually but there's not much else good I can say about it.

What a huge letdown.

Maybe if you go in with low expectations, you'll have a good time.

The Antipodean 12-16-10 05:08 PM

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How many of these 80s retro movies that everyone gets insanely pumped up for have actually worked? The A-Team was a smug, cartoony debacle I thought that lacked the charm of the TV series, Clash of the Titans was a slog, and I really don't have much interest in this one either.

Supermallet 12-16-10 05:37 PM

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I actually quite enjoyed the A-Team, certainly more than Legacy.

slop101 12-16-10 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Truffaut Fan (Post 10547632)
While it isn't as bad as a Michael Bay film, it's damn close. It's certainly entertaining visually but there's not much else good I can say about it.

What a huge letdown.

Maybe if you go in with low expectations, you'll have a good time.

There is one other good thing I can say about it: Daft Punk's soundtrack.

Dr. DVD 12-16-10 08:23 PM

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Are we not going to get a Tron: Legacy review thread?

filmerp 12-16-10 08:59 PM

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Well by this point, if I don't like it, it certainly won't be as a result of high expectations.

slop101 12-16-10 09:13 PM

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Weird review by Orndorf. He gives it 4/5 stars, but doesn't really say anything about why he rates it so highly.

Rich, however, gives actual reasons as to his low score.

The O 12-16-10 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 10547949)
Weird review by Orndorf. He gives it 4/5 stars, but doesn't really say anything about why he rates it so highly.

This feels like a trap.

Dr. DVD 12-16-10 09:42 PM

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Well, Orndorf's opinion typically reflects my own, the exception being Avatar. I guess I'll wind up liking it.

However, he brings up something that kind of confirms my suspicions; that a lot of the plot is a continuation from the 1982 original. I have seen the original several times, but it has been a VERY long time since my last viewing. I'm surprised, being the marketing geniuses they are , Disney did not release the original on Blu-Ray about a month ago with a movie ticket to re-familiarize audiences and perhaps get some new fans on the way.

Supermallet 12-16-10 09:42 PM

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Actually, it's a tarp.

Dr. DVD 12-16-10 09:48 PM

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http://www.bhatt.id.au/blogimg/its-a-trap.jpg

No, it's the other.

JChaos 12-16-10 09:48 PM

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Saw an advance screening in IMAX 3D last night and loved it. I loved the visuals and the soundtrack and agree with a previous point that it seemed like they fleshed out the plot more compared to the original, although that's not saying much (though I am a fan of the original).

It seems like the people that dislike this one REALLY hate it which is puzzling, I can't see what the extreme turn off is on this one.

Dr. DVD 12-16-10 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JChaos (Post 10547988)
Saw an advance screening in IMAX 3D last night and loved it. I loved the visuals and the soundtrack and agree with a previous point that it seemed like they fleshed out the plot more compared to the original, although that's not saying much (though I am a fan of the original).

It seems like the people that dislike this one REALLY hate it which is puzzling, I can't see what the extreme turn off is on this one.


I've noticed that there seems to be no middle ground as well. You're either highly entertained or it's the worst thing you've ever seen in a long time.

Supermallet 12-16-10 09:57 PM

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I guess I'm the middle ground. It was just meh for me. The visual were great, the music is fantastic, but the movie as a whole bored me. I didn't hate it, I didn't love it. I just don't want people to get their hopes up.

Truffaut Fan 12-16-10 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Suprmallet (Post 10547998)
I guess I'm the middle ground. It was just meh for me. The visual were great, the music is fantastic, but the movie as a whole bored me. I didn't hate it, I didn't love it. I just don't want people to get their hopes up.

That pretty much sums up my thoughts. I was extremely disappointed but I wouldn't say I hated it.

Eric F 12-16-10 11:58 PM

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Down down down on Rottentomatoes... 49% right now and getting lower...

jeffkjoe 12-17-10 01:42 AM

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I don't get why u fanboys were so excited about in the first place.

ScissorPuppy 12-17-10 02:20 AM

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I dunno, I just got back from a midnight screening and LOVED IT. I don't know what you guys were expecting, but it really delivered for me.

This is coming from someone who usually hates popcorn cheese.

Supermallet 12-17-10 03:02 AM

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Here's my full review, in case anyone is interested:

Spoiler:
Disney has sure made some bizarro live action picture over the years. The 70's in particular was a great era for Disney's live action department, bringing us such semi-forgotten classics as The Black Hole, The Watcher In The Woods, and two entries in the Witch Mountain series. But it wasn't until the early 80's that Disney released perhaps its most famous live action picture, a little oddity known simply as Tron. Starring a young Jeff Bridges as a man who finds himself sucked into a computer system and forced to play dangerous games (which to humans simply seem like the video games they play at arcades), Tron was absolutely groundbreaking. Using all kinds of never before seen visual effects, including very early CGI, Tron has grown from an odd slice of Disney arcana to a full fledged cult classic. Much like another sci-fi film released in 1982, Blade Runner, the look of Tron has gone on to influence a whole new generation of filmmakers. And despite a video game or two trying to cash in on the film's name, it seemed like that was all we would get from Disney.

But then a funny thing happened. One year, at the San Diego Comic Convention, at the end of the Disney panel, a clip came on the exhibit hall screens. It showed two men racing each other in the distinctive Tron light cycles, only to be judged at the end of the race by none other than...Jeff Bridges! The crowd, comprised of some of the most intense nerds and geeks in the world, understandably went absolutely nuts. It turns out the clip was a proof of concept made to show Disney that a Tron sequel could in fact be viable. The crowd reaction was all it took for Disney to greenlight the picture, and sure enough, we can now see the fruits of their labor in Tron: Legacy.

The film opens after the events of the first film, with Kevin Flynn (Jeff Bridges) recapping the events of Tron to his young son Sam (played as an adult by Garrett Hedlund). Flynn promises to one day show his son the wonders of "The Grid" (as the virtual world as called), but before he can, he disappears for good. Cut ahead to the present day, and adult Sam is the main stockholder in Encom, his father's company, but is at odds with their sleazy corporate tactics. He's got one friend in the company, Alan Bradley (Bruce Boxleitner), the man who helped Kevin Flynn the last time things got hairy with Encom. Bradley informs Sam that he's received a page from Flynn's old arcade, and going to investigate, Sam finds himself sucked into the Grid, and must find his real dad before an evil facsimile by the name of Clu (Jeff Bridges again, but digitally de-aged) destroys him.

First, the good: Tron Legacy is a sumptuous feast for the eyes. I was blown away seeing the film in IMAX 3D, where the aspect ratio opened up to accommodate more of the stunning imagery laid before me. Director Joseph Kosinski debuts here, coming from the world of commercials, and brings the sleek look often used in car commercials to the world of Tron. In a way, the movie is the ultimate laser light show. You will not be disappointed with how the film looks. Nor will you be disappointed with how it sounds. Tron fans Daft Punk, the fantastic French electronic duo, provide the film's entire score, and it is a doozy. It manages to feel retro and new all at the same time. It feels of the world and also of the group. The score, combined with the images, are a delightful feast for the senses.

Also good is Jeff Bridges, back as Kevin Flynn. No longer the young Luke Skywalker type, he now acts as the Obi-Wan Kenobi advisor to new hero Sam. Sadly, Garrett Hedlund is not up to filling Bridges' shoes. He's not terrible, but he's simply there on the screen. For a movie like this, heck, for almost any movie, you want an actor with presence. Hedlund doesn't have it. The same cannot be said for his co-star, Olivia Wilde. For one thing, she's gorgeous. For another, she's actually quite good at playing the dewey-eyed innocent and even injecting the movie with a little humor. I have not seen Wilde on House, but she's an excellent addition to the cast here.

And then there's Clu. Named after a programming language from the 70's, Clu is also played by Jeff Bridges, but has been digitally de-aged to look like he did when the first film was released. While I'm sure this was a neat idea on paper, the reality of the current technology limits the execution. In short, Clu looks awful, as does any flashback appearances of young Kevin Flynn. It is, quite frankly, bad enough to take me out of the movie. And that's never a good thing. The problem is that no one else gets this de-aging treatment (well, except for Boxleitner in a brief cameo as Tron), and so it looks completely out of place. I could see an argument for making Clu look so artificial if every other program in the Grid looked just as artificial, because they're synthetic and not organic, but everyone else looks just as real as Sam or the modern day Kevin Flynn. And then to de-age Kevin Flynn in the flashbacks makes him look just as phony as Clu does. The effects in Tron weren't always seamlesss, but they never broke the illusion of the reality the filmmakers were presenting. Clu does break that illusion, and comes very close to ruining the film entirely.

So, that's the best and the worst of it. How's the rest? Well, frankly, kind of tame, possibly even boring. The original movie felt like it was being made by a dyed-in-the-wool idealist (and, indeed, series creator Steven Lisberger today appears to be as much of a crazy hippie as Jeff Bridges). It could hardly even be called an action movie. Tron: Legacy replaces that idealism (and the somewhat awkward but endearing storytelling that came with it) with a slick commercialism that makes for great eye candy, but doesn't elevate the material to an emotional level. The few emotional beats it does touch on is very standard hero's journey stuff, but never done in a way that feels immediate or compelling. In fact, the story feels so generic that I wondered why the filmmakers spent so much time on it as they do. Far too much of the film involves characters talking to or at each other ad nauseam. Had the movie just been images and sound, it could have had a much bigger impact without sacrificing the story. As it is, the second act drags on as everything is explained in excruciating detail, and there's simply no need. Less is more, and when you're working with the minimalist lines of the Tron universe, that axiom should have been the golden rule.

Still, the Tron fan in me found enough to enjoy here that I can recommend seeing it in a theater (in IMAX 3D if at all possible). It's not going to knock your socks off as a movie, but the sights and sounds will be enough to make this second trip into the Grid a worthwhile experience, if only for the images you'll see when you close your eyes later that night in bed.


And I gave it three stars.

Edit: Huh, I just read Jamie's review. He definitely feels more strongly about it than I do, but I think we hit a lot of the same points as to why this movie isn't great.

biglou114 12-17-10 03:39 AM

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I just came back from a midnight showing, and I do have to say that I was thoroughly entertained.

NOTE: Review may be incoherent, and very unfocused
Spoiler:

I've never been a fan of the original, so I walked in with limited expectations, which the film surpasses. You could definitely tell how much fun Jeff Bridges had with his two roles. I understand where most people are coming from when talking about Garrett Hedlund, (I also understand why he was cast, he looks like he could be Jeff Bridges's son) but I didn't think he was Sam Worthington terrible. I was also impressed with Olivia Wilde. But my biggest disappointed was lack of Michael Sheen, I could easily watch a spin-off of his character.

As far as the doubling of Bridges as Clu, I personally wasn't very distracted by technology (except the opening scene). I feel people are blowing their criticism WAY out of proportion. I also have give the special effects team major props for making the grid very convincing, and of course the highlight of the film, the Light Cycle sequence.

fumanstan 12-17-10 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffkjoe (Post 10548172)
I don't get why u fanboys were so excited about in the first place.

Really? I was never big on the original Tron (kinda before my time since i'm 28 now) but it's pretty obvious why people were excited about it.

Supermallet 12-17-10 04:21 AM

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In regards to Hall H, I didn't see a credit in the cast list, but in the special thanks they list "The Fans of Hall H, San Diego Comic Con 2010."


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