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Originally Posted by slop101
You know, I'm gonna stop making fun of this stupid movie, because it's a lot like making fun of a retarded person - it's obvious and just not fair. Sure, it might be fun to watch a retarded person trying to do things beyond his means, but ultimately, it's kinda sad. And just like a retarded person can't help being stupid, neither can this movie, and I shouldn't be so surprised that it was.
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Originally Posted by chanster
I think your complaints are dumb and frankly, given the level of product placement in our society...pretty naive.
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You're the one that brought it up...if you can't deal with debate over product placement in movies, don't start it up. It happens in almost every big Hollywood movie, if you want to complain about it in general, start a new thread and don't bash Transformers for doing the same thing every other movie does.
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Originally Posted by exharrison
That much I figured. I just wasn't sure if he was trying to say something about my statement.
Well, ok, I was half kidding. -Doc |
Originally Posted by Doc MacGyver
No, not at all. I just meant that since Captain Lennox was a GI Joe character from the crossover comics, and since G.I. Joe is the kind of organization tasked to deal with exactly this kind of crazyness, it would work. I was just making a joke.
Well, ok, I was half kidding. -Doc Also, while we keep discussions going about what was liked/disliked can we avoid personal attacks and name calling? Its just going to get out of hand. |
Originally Posted by exharrison
Is that what G.I. Joe was for? I wasn't a big fan as a kid and haven't seen any of it in years. I just thought they were supposed to be an elite force that took out elite terrorists.
Also, while we keep discussions going about what was liked/disliked can we avoid personal attacks and name calling? Its just going to get out of hand. As for G.I. Joe, sure it was to deal with terrorist and evil multinational cells and whatnot, but with the weaponry that COBRA had, regulating 10-ton sentient robotic vehicles isnt, like, COMPLETELY out of their realm of expertise. -Doc |
Originally Posted by Doc MacGyver
As for G.I. Joe, sure it was to deal with terrorist and evil multinational cells and whatnot, but with the weaponry that COBRA had, regulating 10-ton sentient robotic vehicles isnt, like, COMPLETELY out of their realm of expertise.
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Originally Posted by chanster
You're the one that brought it up...if you can't deal with debate over product placement in movies, don't start it up. It happens in almost every big Hollywood movie, if you want to complain about it in general, start a new thread and don't bash Transformers for doing the same thing every other movie does.
I just meant people jumped all over this one small problem I had with the movie. Most people have completely ignored my other issues. I've explained that TO ME the product placement was out of hand here. It went from being realistic to being obvious product placement. There is nothing to "debate" - that's my perception of it in the movie. |
Ok fuck can we stop talking about product placement now?
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Originally Posted by Mopower
Ok fuck can we stop talking about product placement now?
http://www.igniq.com/images/every10m...com_290805.jpg Ok. Now we can stop. |
This flick was pretty good. Worst acting I've ever seen in a while and the "human" parts really took away from the pacing of what should have been a much shorter film.
I loved the transformers as a kid, favorite toys ever and they definitely got them right. Fav scene is when starscream (in the background) and Megatron (in the foreground) are bickering before the town gets destroyed - brought a huge smile to my face. Call me a nerd but I started get a little upset inside when bumblebee was getting busted up - sniff, sniff. |
I loved this flick, seen it again today, too my nephews to it since I was watching them this afternoon. after seeing it agian this has to be one of my favorite action flicks ever. My nephews (7 and 10 years old) both came out saying it was there favorite movie ever.
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Originally Posted by Doc MacGyver
And just to add to that, the reason that Prime didn't just do that to Megatron off the bat is that the Allspark had to interact with the Cybertronian's Spark inside the chest cavity. Optimus was going to open his for Sam. Megatron's was closed and armored. The reason Sam was able to do it was because Megatron had taken a pounding from the GI Joes, Raptors and Starscream which punched a hole in his chest exposing his Spark.
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Originally Posted by scott1598
then how would Optimus sacrificing himself by absorbing the Allspark kill Megatron? and didn't absorbing the Allspark which was "The Matrix" in the 1986 movie turn Hot Rod into Rodimus Prime?
In the cartoons, the "Matrix of Leadership" was always inside Optimus. I don't think it was ever said, but it made Optimus "Optimus." Same thing happened when given to Hot Rod. I wouldn't compare anything from the cartoon canon to anything in this movie either. They are completely separate properties. |
Originally Posted by Draven
It wouldn't kill Megatron, it would keep the All Spark from him (though sacrificing Optimus in the process).
In the cartoons, the "Matrix of Leadership" was always inside Optimus. I don't think it was ever said, but it made Optimus "Optimus." Same thing happened when given to Hot Rod. I wouldn't compare anything from the cartoon canon to anything in this movie either. They are completely separate properties. |
If I were the kid, no way would I shove that thing into Optimus unless he was on the verge of death. Sure, putting it in Op's chest and killing him would save the universe (or whatever), but it would also mean Megatron's free to take over the world, so Earth would be screwed either way.
Most effective "product placement" has to be the transformers themselves... I know this time around they fashioned the toys after the movie designs, but not only are these things flying off the shelves, they're introducing the brand to a new wave of kids and fans from the 80s who haven't bought a toy in ages. |
Originally Posted by scott1598
oh i see. i know they are separate, but since they used the same concept i thought the principle would remain somewhat intact.
-Doc |
FWIW, I'm open to a sequel but I don't think Dinobots would fly.
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Originally Posted by Draven
IIn the cartoons, the "Matrix of Leadership" was always inside Optimus. I don't think it was ever said, but it made Optimus "Optimus." Same thing happened when given to Hot Rod. I wouldn't compare anything from the cartoon canon to anything in this movie either. They are completely separate properties.
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5676/rodiumusnt9.jpg |
Originally Posted by Draven
While it's a nice thought, I do not believe for a moment that the robots will get more screentime in the next movie. I'd say it will be comparable.
Here's my thing. If they had cut the hackers and Tuturro and spent their time showing scenes of what the Decepticons were doing the whole movie, I would have been a lot happier. I thought the "to destroy and enslave" thing or whatever it was on the side of Barricade was very sinister and cool. I would have liked to see Starscream on a runway or in a hanger, or Brawl/Devastator working on a construction site or SOMETHING to show how these massive death machines were hiding among us. This would have been easy to do without taking time away from Sam and his story. Instead there is just a roll-call at the end and "pop" there they are. I felt time in a 2 hour and 22 minute movie about giant robots was wasted on a couple of human characters. But, yeah, the Decepticons didn't get much development, if any. The ones that got the most, I thought, were Barricade and Frenzy. In general, I would've wanted more bots and cons and less fleshies. But as was said many have not probably even thought of the Transformers since the mid 1980s. A reintroduction was required. ... and... The Autobot Matrix of Leadership, or the Matrix for short, and the All Spark featured in the movie are not the same thing. And I think the "All Spark" has been different things in other incarnations within TFs. But I don't remember seeing the Matrix in Prime in the movie. I'll have to look for it again. But then, I keep reading about lots of little things that I didn't notice on a first viewing. So much of it was going by so damn fast. |
Originally Posted by Altimus Prime
In general, I would've wanted more bots and cons and less fleshies.
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Okay, just to cut through all the interference:
I thought it was great, although there were two major flaws with the movie. The first was the whole "code-breaking" sub plot was totally unnecessary, and only introduced even more jumbled characters into a movie that didn't need it. They all disappear by the end of the movie too, the whole sub plot being a major loose end. Secondly, why does the All Spark Spoiler:
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I read something somewhere, maybe in this thread, that the reason the bots made by the All Spark were all nasty was because they were created in a wrong way, were soulless or something.
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I just thought of the newly created transformers as being like wild animals.
The current autobots seem to be the original transformers made by the cube on their homeworld 1000s of years ago. They might have all started like the nokia, mountain dew, and 360 transformers and just became more civlized over time. |
Someone on this thread suggested that since all Earth technology is derived from Megatron, all such technology would be a Decepticon if brought to life by the Allspark. This of course makes the assumption that Megatron was "born" evil. However, that depends on how simplistic an approach to good and evil this franchise takes.
That said, I find that to be the best explanation so far. ALthough the "wild animal" theory also has lots of merit. |
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