Yeah, you're right. That's what he was in the cartoon, I was just going by his name. I stand corrected.


-Doc

They changed the very nature of what every transformer was. Maybe they are going to have the "Constructicons" be all military vehicles. Of course in the cartoon there were military vehicles that merged into Bruticus. But I wouldn't be surprised if they blended the two concepts into one merging character in the next movie.

I like your thinking. Bonecrusher was a military utility, constructacton-esque vehicle... a mine sweeper. I could definately deal with constructacons that follow that way of thinking...

-Doc

No, you broke it. He was saying the Constructicons formed Devastator. But Bonecrusher (originally a Constructicon) wasn't a construction vehicle in the movie, but a military vehicle. A military vehicle like the Combaticons that formed Bruticus.

You're totally right and I'm a douchebag. I completely misunderstood what he was saying. Wow, twice in the same page I am justifiably bitchslapped off my high horse. My apologies, Mopower.


-Doc


P.S. - On a side note, since Brawl and Bonecrusher both "died" in this film, the creation of Devastator and/or Bruticus would be a good excuse to rebuild/ressurect them.

It's not uncommon for names to get recycled and reused in Transformers lines, with the same name applying to different characters, different vehicles, even different allegiances, IIRC. Just because "Bonecrusher" bore the name of what was previously a constructicon doesn't make him a constructicon, AFAIK. Equally, if Brawl was indeed "Devastator," that doesn't mean he bears any links to the Devastator formed from the six constructicons.

Check out the various uses of Bonecrusher. He was even a bison at one point! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonecru...ransformers%29

The Decepticons could transform this movie's Brawl/Devastator into a different body and just rename him, or they could consider him an absolute failure and decide to build a real "Devastator". Everything I have read does point to the writers wanting the Constructicons and Dinobots in the next movie, as they are mutual enemies. If you go back to the cartoon the Constructicons had like two or three varying orgins anyway so nothing is really a stretch ....

Autobot Hauler was even painted up like a Constructicon at one point.

Their origin listed in wikipedia, though - the one where the were corrupted by megatron and betrayed Omega Supreme - is awesome.


-Doc

I don't care if people get all fucked up because they can't figure why there would be Female Transformers!!! I Want "Arcee" in the next film and I want her to be a Mortorcycle!!

EDIT TO ADD: If Prime and Megatron can be "Brothers" then we can have "Chick Bots". :grunt::lol:

I think Arcee and Hot Rod would be the only characters I would want from the post 80s movie crowd. I don't think I could stomach a live action Blur, Wheelie, or "I can't deal with that now" Ultra Magnus.

All I know is I want HEADMASTERS by the time we get to Transformers 3. I will not settle for Targetmasters or even Powermasters. Hey, Scorponok was a Headmaster so hopefully this is a possibility!

F that. They need to build part 3 up for Unicron.

Man, after reading through some of the posts in this thread, my expectations for this film are now through the roof! I wasn't able to catch it last weekend, hopefully I'll make it out this weekend.

You don't think they'll have the "cloud CGI" ready for part 2?

If and when they do bring Unicron in, they had damn well better not go that Galactus route.

They can dig up some archival voice recordings of Orson Welles and use him as the voice of Unicron, like they did with Brando and Olivier.

Unfortunate script typo will lead to Unicron being a giant magical horse with a horn that shoots lasers.

HAHA. True, (Movie) Magnus always seemed a bit over his head, but he was a cool design and I've liked his other incarnations (post-movie cartoon, comics) so I wouldn't mind him. He's a little too much like Prime, though, I think (In appearance). The movie series is going to try to get the most bang/diversity for their buck (Though I do really want Hot Rod in one of the sequels).


You're out of your mind. I'm just hoping we get to see some of the Gestalt Transformers, or Omega Supreme or somthing.


Come on, Unicron isn't a big purple guy in a chair. He's a planet that transforms. I think once people accepted transforming cars with personalities (as they clearly have), they'll have no problem with Unicron.


-Doc

no, it'll be an easter egg for the next film, c'mon now.

There is an Arcee movie design, which has a toy coming out, and does turn into a motorcycle (I think):

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Arcee_(Movie)

Been done: http://www.geocities.com/the_fider/WL_transformer.jpg

A fanboy's review.

I swore up and down that I would not see Transformers in the theater. The effects looked great, the story sounded stupid. It looked like they made bad decision after bad decision about this property so I vowed to stay away.

But everyone loved it. It was getting great reviews. Word of mouth was extremely positive. Could I have been wrong? Could the movie actually be good despite everything I'd heard about the plot and seen in the trailers?

So I sucked up my pride and went to the theater last night. I went by myself, since I wasn't willing to drag my wife along to another disappointing summer flick (see Spider-man 3).

All I can say was it was actually worse than I thought it was going to be.

The effects and sound design were, in a word, amazing. Everything else was, in a word, shit.

Cringeworthy moments like Prime's "My bad" to eBay beging a major plot point to the completely unneccessary Xbox 360 and Mountain Dew Transformers.

Ridiculous situations like the "Robots in Disguise" tramping around Sam's house for no other reason than comic relief. Maybe if they had just stayed in their car forms in the alley and waited for five minutes they could have avoided having to hide from Sam's parents. But we had to get a urination and masterbation joke in. Oh, and we also had to have the completely original "hot girl in nerdy guys room and the parents are proud" scene. :rolleyes:

Then, let's introduce random characters for no reason. John Tuturro's T-shirt wearing government agent was unneccessary. He did nothing but make scenes more awkward than they needed to be. Thank god Bumblebee peed on him though, that really saved the character! :rolleyes: Oh, here are the 3 other Decepticons too. We don't see them until almost the end of the flick because we had to spend so much time meeting other pointless characters like the hot "analyst" and her "hacker" friend. What exactly did they contribute? Not to mention Sam's parents, who didn't need to be seen beyond the beginning of the movie.

And don't get me started on the TERRIBLE dialogue between all of the robots. And the "comic relief" of Frenzy or Soundwave or whatever the fuck his name was knee-slapping hilarious. :rolleyes: And Bumblebee's communication through the car radio was just as awful as it sounded like it was going to be from early reports.

Anyway, like I said - effects were great (major props to ILM) and everything Bay did was almost complete shit.

EDIT: I actually had to leave the movie early (right after Sam shoved the cube into Megatron, killing him. Which was a better idea than shoving it into Prime to kill him :rolleyes: ) since I had an overnight shoot last night and the movie started 15 minutes late. I've never done that before, but I had no issues walking out. I didn't give two shits how they wrapped it up.

but Draven...tell us how you really feel?
anyway, that about sums up my opinion as well and i wasn't as enamorate as you prior, but this was not a good movie story wise.

OH! One more thing.

Arguably, the most iconic line in the movie, the line that should have been uttered right before Prime and Megatron slammed together for their final fight, "One shall stand. One shall fall," was said as a voiceover as we watched Shia LaBouf run around in a ditch.

What the holy fuck....

I agree with Draven - there's been far too much love in this thread for this shitty, shitty movie, and it's time to turn that around!

Well put Draven. :thumbsup: