Who knows? My friend (who is somewhat homophobic) and his wife watched it last week or so. They thought it was ok and I he said he didnt laugh or joke during it. So, its possible that someone who is homophobic could watch it without the humor.

BUT, anyone who goes to see this and DOESN'T know that there is a sex scene between two men must be hiding under a rock.

We are in total agreement there. Im sure there are exceptions though.

I completely agree. I wouldn't go to see a straight romance and express replusion when kissing and sex acts started. Though I'm starting to feel the temptation.


BTW, the typical boy/girl, man/woman love story is becoming so routine and boring that I'd rather see a slasher film.

How can you be so insulated against the real world to think, for a second, that's true? This film is the most successful plea for social change and tolerance ever made in Hollywood. It's central gay relationship is treated with respect and honor. It is going to win Best Picture & Best Director--and Jack & Ennis will be in the culture from now on, a couple that wasn't allowed to have the happiness they deserved--just like thousands of real couples, devalued and hampered in their attempts to live normal and healthy lives. This film will stand alongside "To Kill A Mockingbird" as one of the most important Hollywood films to change hearts and minds ever made...

Out of EVERYTHING that's being said here, you choose to pick on ME???

I couldn't disagree more. The entire cast is enjoying the success of this film. I don't see their lighthearted attitudes as detrimental to the movie. They simply realize Capote and Walk the Line are most likely the Oscar winners this year.

#1: Jack and Ennis weren't a couple.

#2: they didn't deserve to be happy because they obviously didn't want it badly enough to come out.

Hear, hear!

And...

digitalfreaknyc, thank you regarding post #180.

Sorry. I live in an insulated world. I can't hear you.

You've worked longer and harder to trash this film than any right-wing bigot, and you know it. In fact, the right wing has taken a pass on this movie, and it's only real enemies are people like you, gays that think they're too cool for it.

And the irony is that I think it's well made. And isn't it supposedly "cool" to like the movie?

I just would never want anyone to associate my lifestyle with what is portrayed in this film.

#1: Wrong

#2: Wrong again!

Jack and Ennis were every bit a couple. Maybe they don't fit traditional ideas of couple status, but that doesn't nullify their coupled status.

All rational, civilized people deserve happiness. Of this I am certain.

I'd like to see how long you'd have survived in their world. Would you blame the gay youths hanged in Iran for not coming out as well? You severely misunderstand the time and place, and as I've often said, you lack empathy.

Wow, IMO, your reaching with most of that post. I dont think it will be remembered as such. The only part that you might be correct is the Oscars. It very well may win both of those, but I still dont think its a lock.

I think this movie obviously resonates with gays and some others, but thats about it. I honestly think for most of the country, this movie will go unseen.

Question though, if it does not win the Best Picture oscar, will it still be this cultural hit that you claim? Just curious about your thoughts on that.

[QUOTE=Duality]#1: Wrong

#2: Wrong again!

[QUOTE]

In your opinion.

Digi....I'm not trying to pick on you....but did you see the same film I did? Not all of us can live in NYC or other cities that are more open to homosexuality. You must also take in to account the time frame of the film.

I'd probably have been killed. I'd rather be gay and dead than living a str8 life...and essentially dead anyway.

It's not like EVERYONE lived in the closet. Sure, a majority did. I'm tempted to say a majority still do. HOWEVER, the closeted ones aren't the ones that interest me. Show me the heros. The people that made a difference. Not the whiney bitches who wasted their lives by doing nothing about their "love" and ruined the lives of those around them.

Oh yeah, and it's all societys fault, right?

I probably have not read ALL of his posts, but I think he has been fair. He has his opinions, so get off his back.

The problem is that when people express their opinions about this film, some on this board cut them off at their knees. Basically, childish attacks. Thats why the last thread got closed.

It looks like this one is headed in that direction too. Mainly, keep your posts directed at the film and do not attack someone's lifestyle, intelligence or so on, just because they may disagree.

He shouldnt lose his "membership" card just because he doesnt like the movie. Thats the way that you and Duality make it sound.

It has very little chance of *not* winning Best Picture or Director. It's already as huge a cultural hit as I could have hoped; it'll get another big bump and move past $100 million if it wins. Make no mistake about how seriously affecting the movie is on many, many of the people watching it. Raisin in the Sun might be a better parallel, if it had been a surprise commercial hit...

This is something we should all consider, not just digitalfreaknyc. I saw the pictures of the gay youths in Iran. They were in tears as they were taken away. How can any person, especially a gay person, not see the good this film does in that it exposes intolerance and violence against homosexuals. We, gays, are being murdered throughout the Middle East in general and the West isn't exactly a safe haven for many. Brokeback speaks an unpleasant truth. Perhaps this is why some are rejecting it so vigorously.

If I dislike a movie to the degree some here claim, I don't spend weeks in a thread discussing it. For example, Independence Day - hated it!

Many of the people you know of. I again got an email from someone today about how shitty it was.

People are having VERY different opinions on it. For every one person I know that saw it that loved it, another hated it.
And again, today's "lover" was a str8 woman. The hater was a gay man.

I'd love to read an article on the people who are being affected by it who were homophobic before they saw it. Otherwise, as Rock said earlier, it's just preaching to the choir.

You think Brokeback Mountain is going to change Iran?

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure. About as much as we'll change Iraq. You must love Bush.

And fwiw, i couldn't get through ID4.

I have to agree with this to an extent. Nothing but (well-deserved) death will cure the "God hates ****" people, but the vast majority of homophobes are people confused between morality and religious dogma and socially learned bigotry. It is obviously immoral to deny equality and respect to people based on their sexual orientation, and I think that there are a lot of people who innately know that, but are struggling with unlearning or reconciling their religious and cultural values. You can't cram morality down people's throats (that's the sole provenance of the church and look how well that's worked out)--you have to open the table to debate and let them come to the right conclusion themselves. The irony is that for people eventually to realize that homosexuality is not an issue, you have to first make it a really big issue. That's my take anyway.

For my part, I refuse to see most "gay" movies because they're really usually "gay issue" movies. Can we please have a movie where homosexuality is part of a character's identity but not the big overwhelming issue of the movie? Maybe we're not ready yet, for the reasons above. I just re-watched Unforgiven the other night and not once did anyone allude to the fact that Morgan Freeman played a black cowboy. At the same time though, Brokeback Mountain does make a big step (for mass culture, anyway) in portraying the relationship with respect.

I still do not think it is a lock to win. I agree that it is the front runner, but this isn't Titanic or Return of the King (to me, those were locks). I think there is a very good chance of it being upset by Crash.

I would give it about a 50-60% chance of winning.

I believe there is a certain degree of passion I share with adamblast. It's very difficult to convey the emotion behind statements typed on the internet, so sometimes things are misinterpreted.

I do feel that gays who turn a blind eye toward the "Brokeback" gays of the world are doing themselves a disservice. In my opinion, like it or not, Brokeback Mountain is a classic that is helping people understand one another and themselves in certain cases.