Typical of his "opinions" is when he tries to make the movie sound like a joke, only worth laughing at, because Heath and Jake giggled at the SAGs.

Again...The Family Stone. I was amazed that for most of the movie, it was a complete non-issue.

I hate "gay movies" as well.

I'm sorry...are you READING the same posts I'm writing? I never once laughed at the movie or mocked it. If you will recall, I was the one that cried during it.

My God. Did you have stock in this movie or help write it? You'd think that your blood is spilled somewhere on Brokeback. Please get off my back.

Of course not! Unfortunately, we will not live to see much change there. Brokeback is a seed for gays in that part of the world. The flower will bloom sometime this century, if we're lucky.

Maybe so, but getting a message across to them while having him cheat on his wife and neglect his family is not the way to do it. I honestly think this would turn off most religious people (those who think homosexuality is wrong, but dont call people "****").

Are gays in Iran really thinking about Brokeback?

And not to mention the love-less sex. The lack of any real sweetness or intimacy.

The people I've known who were uncomfortable with homosexuality needed to see something similar to their own existance to cling on to. To see homosexuals as "normal." Brokeback doesn't really do that. It does the complete opposite, much in the same way that QAF does it, in some respects. That's one of my issues with it.

DEAD,

Please consider the following take on this thread:

Essentially we have an internet version of a family discussion/argument over the film Brokeback Mountain. As silly as family arguments get sometimes, it isn't healthy to cut them off. If you feel a certain post is "over the line" please delete it and let the rest of us continue to enjoy a lively dialogue.

Thank you.

BTW, I haven't posted this much since I became a member of DVDTalk.

I just do not see him doing that. He just doesnt like the movie or its message. I dont think he is turning his back on them due to that.

And you have every right to your opinion and I respect it. I honestly believe that it has affected many people and made them see the world differently.

Where you and I disagree is mainly "who has been affected". As I said before, I just think its preaching to the choir. I think its message turns off those religious right-wing people who do not hate anyone, but think homosexuality is a sin (my mom ) When a movie can speak to them, that day, you can be proud.

One Hero coming up! As a person who has lost everything from friends to jobs for being openly gay, I think I qualify as a Super Hero! digi, I think you are romanticizing the openly gay life. In NYC it is no doubt wonderful - I envy you. Out here in nowhereland being open isn't so easy and I try to understand the decisions some make for remaining closested. Jack and Ennis couldn't have been openly gay. A quiet, remote ranch life is the best they could have attained.

I don't disagree, but the other way of looking at this aspect of the movie is that it reflects reality. Not a gay reality, but a human reality. If you work too hard to make it normal, you may actually end up with a sugar-coated message movie too earnest and syrupy to generate the kind of critical buzz necessary to catch the public eye. Two recent examples, Making Grace and Transamerica, in my opinion strived too hard toward normalcy and suffered as a result. I don't think this argument necessarily beats yours, but it's just another way to look at it.

Sometimes the Choir needs to hear a little preaching! My parents have moved from a place of intolerance to full acceptance and support. My partner even discusses our arguments with mom - she usually takes his side. This is a life Jack and Ennis couldn't even imagine. Brokeback makes me realize how lucky I am.

Your mom is next!

And please don't misunderstand my comments to think that NYC and the opinions of the people here are "everywhere." Apparently I've lived a very privilaged life in that I grew up in CT (went to "bi high," as it was named), which now has civil unions, work in the entertainment industry (as does the rest of my family) AND lived in NYC for almost 10 years now. That's my entire life in a nutshell. And I'm happy about that. Honestly, to those that have a problem with my sexuality, they get a big "fuck you." I'd never date someone who was remotely in the closet. I'd rather have someone who was out about it and was disowned by his family than someone who was still "in" and I'd be the roommate. It's cowardly, IMHO.

And yes, I completely DO solute you. You are a hero in my eyes. Anyone with the courage to come out deserves to have it that recognized. Obviously it's a MUCH bigger deal coming out at different times and in different places.

That being said (and to bring this thread back to BBM), I don't want to watch a story about the hardships only to end up in the same place I started. The movie went absolutely nowhere and left me feeling completely empty. They were even more miserable in the end than in the beginning. I look at it as a movie because...*gasp*...that's what it is. Let's not forget that. It's a very well-made movie. But one that left me uninvolved, uninterested and uncaring. And apparently to come, "un-empathetic."

I have a friend from Iran and thanks to technology the answer is "yes".

Since we're sharing...

My aunt and uncle were NOT accepting when my cousin (who just turned 40) came out at the same time I did (me being 19, him being 32). My uncle, in fact, was the biggest bigot homophobe. Now flash forward to the present. My cousin's boyfriend/husband has been invited to EVERY family dinner, my uncle spends a ton of time with the two of them...even when my cousin is not there AND my aunt wants the boyfriend's name in my ailing grandmothers obituary. Again, I repeat, my 89 year old grandmother loved him like a grandson and was completely fine with the both of us being gay. Her only problem with him was that he wasn't italian.

ANYONE can change.

I just completely fail to see how this movie will help that change.

Thank you. I did it and continue to do so because I want to leave something positive in the world when my death occurs.

I'm happy many teens now have Straight/Gay Alliances and actually see positive images of people just like them in the media. Hopefully my contribution played a small part. Sadly, Jack and Ennis are "types" that still exist and reaching them perhaps with a film like Brokeback is a good thing. They need the wake-up call, warning.

Um, yeah...

Very true, but this still mainly leaves the ball on the gay court only.

Thats wonderful. I think most of the time, it takes knowing someone or loving someone who is gay before you can change.

Haha....yeah, im working on her...we have debates all the time...she doesnt like the Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell insults either.

She is one of the compassionate christians who believe it is a sin, but does not hate. She won't see Brokeback Mountain though. I KNOW she would not like it. She wont watch hetero sex scenes much less a gay one. Also, she would NEVER get past the cheating/neglect aspect.

You'll just have to trust us on this one. If you can't trust your gay brothers, who can you trust?

Well, there's always the inevitable sanitized Lifetime airing that she might accidentally view. Regardless, I'm sure she has a good heart.

Maybe if it ends up on HGTV....thats about all she watches....haha

She does and is a wonderful mother. If I were gay, she would not agree with my lifestyle, but would be accepting of me.

Bingo.

I'm Ennis. I don't want to be, and thank god I never married, but I've got just as hard a time accepting the love of a man as he had. 47 and still working on it. There's a reason I can only get lucky once or twice a decade, in spite of my tremendous looks.

If you ever want to chat----send me an e-mail!

Adamblast, keep working on it. You're too young to quit. Self-acceptance can be a lifelong project.

I just came back to read the continuing on-going battle between Adam and Digi