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iggystar 06-21-05 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Talia and Bats is one of the most interesting relationships Batman has been presented with. Those familiar with the relationship know why....

Oh do tell....

Giantrobo 06-21-05 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by iggystar
Oh do tell....


Well, I'm not sure if it's part of continuity but in one of the graphic novels
Spoiler:
Talia and Bruce fall in love and she has Bruce's child. In Kingdom Come there's a character who works with the older bruce wayne who's probably that grown up son.

SeanValen 06-21-05 10:08 AM

"I think people love the character, and it's been eight years since the franchise unfortunately took a negative turn [with Batman and Robin]," Warner Bros.' head of distribution Dan Fellman told Box Office Mojo. "It took the vision of a filmmaker like Christopher Nolan to bring it back, with a great script and cast. We're well positioned moving forward with the summer. We're going to have a first week of $85 million, and [Batman and Robin] had $59 million. That's enough to bring Batman back for a sequel."


WB HAPPY WITH PERFORMANCE!!!!


LETS ALL CELEBRATE, GREAT FUCKING BATMAN FILM, AND SEQUEL TO COME, WOOOOOOO HOOOOO

RockStrongo 06-21-05 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by SeanValen
LETS ALL CELEBRATE, GREAT FUCKING BATMAN FILM, AND SEQUEL TO COME, WOOOOOOO HOOOOO

Yeah, agreed....this is easily my favorite comic book movie ever.

Spiderman, Xmen and Superman (Reeves) movies are all behind it IMO.

Hulk sucked and Punisher was ok.

badlieut 06-21-05 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by SomeVoices
YES!!!!! Now it just needs Nolan...and Oldman.

Oldman has already been signed. He said so at one of the premieres. Maybe clearing out Holmes creates the room for Harvey Dent to come into the picture.

chess 06-21-05 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Next to the sexual tension between Catwoman and Bats....

I'd love to see Catwoman in the next one, but given her hairball movie last year, it's probably not likely.


I also wouldn't have a problem with Cillian coming back in the next film. I think it worked well when Magneto came back in X2.
Magneto's return worked because he was a complex character. Scarecrow was pretty much a characature. I can't even figure the guy's motivation.

chess 06-21-05 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Yeah, agreed....this is easily my favorite comic book movie ever.

Spiderman, Xmen and Superman (Reeves) movies are all behind it IMO.

Hulk sucked and Punisher was ok.

Gotta give Spider-man the edge, especially the second one. I can find faults (at least as I perceive them) in BB, but I can't think of anything in SM2 that didn't resonate with me. It had better action and more heart.

I think X-2 might have to get the nod as well, but I need to see BB again before making the call.

jigga6286 06-21-05 11:16 AM

I only hope that the the exit of the Holmes character is smooth and made for good reason in terms of the story. I like continuity between sequels, so here's hoping it adds to the story rather than avoiding mentioning her all together.

RocShemp 06-21-05 12:02 PM

Although I wont miss Holmes in the sequel, those reasons (if accurate) are silly. I'd actually like her back if only to transition to the next character. Not necessarrily kill her off but maybe have her leave Gotham for whatever reason and a young Harvey Dent arrive as her replacement.

Also, I liked her in this film better than I thought I would but she was the weakest cast member. If she had kept her performance on the level of when she's talking to Christian Bale in the car after Joe Chill was murdered, she would have been great. Sadly, she couldn't keep it up and was just okay with just two cringe inducing scenes (the subway scene and the kiss scene - though the latter seemed uncomfortable for both her and Bale so maybe it's not her fault).

Groucho 06-21-05 12:03 PM

Take any "news" item from the IMDB with a grain of salt, folks.

Terrell 06-21-05 12:51 PM


Christian Bale, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman have signed to star in a second Batman movie, but love interest Katie Holmes has been dropped. Movie bosses are thrilled with the response to Batman Begins - it took $46.9 million in its first weekend at the US box office - and have snapped up the film's stars for a sequel. Bale as Batman was the first to put pen to paper, followed by Caine as butler Alfred and Freeman as Bruce Wayne's business associate Lucius Fox. But Holmes won't reprise her role as district attorney Rachel Dawes - reportedly because Warner Bros is angry her engagement to Tom Cruise has stolen media attention away from the movie.
There is only one big problem. This news comes from IMDB, and they have zero credibility when reporting news.

Giantrobo 06-21-05 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by chess
I'd love to see Catwoman in the next one, but given her hairball movie last year, it's probably not likely.



Magneto's return worked because he was a complex character. Scarecrow was pretty much a characature. I can't even figure the guy's motivation.


1. yeah but I'm sure WB would like to "reboot" Catwoman's image too.

2. True but Scarecrow was no less complex. His motivation was simply holding the city hostage through fear and destroying their minds. His mistake was thinking Rhas Al Ghul had the same goals.

RockStrongo 06-21-05 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by Terrell
There is only one big problem. This news comes from IMDB, and they have zero credibility when reporting news.

Yeah, they are sketchy, but I believe Warner is probably mad....At the premiere, Tom Cruise got more attention than Christian Bale. Sucks that it happened like that.

Giantrobo 06-21-05 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Terrell
There is only one big problem. This news comes from IMDB, and they have zero credibility when reporting news.

Proof?

chess 06-21-05 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by Giantrobo
True but Scarecrow was no less complex. His motivation was simply holding the city hostage through fear and destroying their minds. His mistake was thinking Rhas Al Ghul had the same goals.

The interaction between Xavier and Magneto is unmatched in this genre IMO. Two men with a history, faced with the same reality and with similar goals take different paths to achieve that goal. The only difference between Xavier and Magneto is that Magneto experienced the Nazis.

My basic point is that Magneto wasn't just whacked for the sake of being whacked...he had a clear objective, and he was interesting because you could compare and contrast him with Xavier and see that he was only a shade or two darker gray...and could have been right to boot.

I don't have any idea where Scarecrow was coming from...just wanted money I guess. Shrug.

Giantrobo 06-21-05 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by chess
The interaction between Xavier and Magneto is unmatched in this genre IMO. Two men with a history, faced with the same reality and with similar goals take different paths to achieve that goal. The only difference between Xavier and Magneto is that Magneto experienced the Nazis.

My basic point is that Magneto wasn't just whacked for the sake of being whacked...he had a clear objective, and he was interesting because you could compare and contrast him with Xavier and see that he was only a shade or two darker gray...and could have been right to boot.

I don't have any idea where Scarecrow was coming from...just wanted money I guess. Shrug.


That's just it. I don't think Scarecrow just wanted money. Scarecrow is all about his research and controlling/destroying minds. And as far as "Shades of Grey"' Rhas Al Ghul was the other side of Batman's coin so you didn't need Scarecrow for that role. Rhas and Bats both believe bad people should be stopped. But they obviously didn't agree on how that should be done.

Btw, I agree with you about Magneto and his role in the X-movies.

chess 06-21-05 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by Giantrobo
That's just it. I don't think Scarecrow just wanted money. Scarecrow is all about his research and controlling/destroying minds. And as far as "Shades of Grey"' Rhas Al Ghul was the other side of Batman's coin so you didn't need Scarecrow for that role. Rhas and Bats both believe bad people should be stopped. But they obviously didn't agree on how that should be done.

Btw, I agree with you about Magneto and his role in the X-movies.

Good point about Rhas Al Ghul! I guess I just felt like the scarecrow was underutilized and felt kind of tacked on. He's always been one of my favorite Batman villians (and Batman has the best rogues gallery anywhere, bar none). I felt like he could have had his own movie as more than an underdeveloped sidekick.

...and to make matters worse, he was taken out by
Spoiler:
the chick from Dawson's Creek!
;)

Jackskeleton 06-21-05 01:57 PM

About catwoman.

The problem with this film is that folks didn't know where it fit on the whole level of batman films. A prequel? A remake? see, folks were damn confused. You want to toss them a loop more so and make them feel like they already saw the movie, make the second one about catwoman... I mean, it's not like they've already seen that story in Batman Returns.

Just stay clear of Catwoman for now. Leave it to Joker and some minor secondary villain and call it a day.

chess 06-21-05 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
About catwoman.

The problem with this film is that folks didn't know where it fit on the whole level of batman films. A prequel? A remake? see, folks were damn confused. You want to toss them a loop more so and make them feel like they already saw the movie, make the second one about catwoman... I mean, it's not like they've already seen that story in Batman Returns.

Just stay clear of Catwoman for now. Leave it to Joker and some minor secondary villain and call it a day.

I agree. I didn't really know until after I saw it that it wasn't a prequel. They should have called it Batman Rebooted. ;)

suziq999 06-21-05 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by RocShemp
Alth Sadly, she couldn't keep it up and was just okay with just two cringe inducing scenes (the subway scene and the kiss scene - though the latter seemed uncomfortable for both her and Bale so maybe it's not her fault).


Anyone woman who can't figure out how to suck on Christian Bale's face doesn't deserve to be in a movie with him.

RockStrongo 06-21-05 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by suziq999
Anyone woman who can't figure out how to suck on Christian Bale's face doesn't deserve to be in a movie with him.

Hahaha....my girlfriend said the same thing.

Also, why are some people so annoyed by him changing his voice while in the Batman suit. That only makes sense!!! He is trying to disguise his voice. Ive heard a couple people complain about it (on the radio and a couple friends).

RichC2 06-21-05 02:22 PM

$6,627,412 haul for Monday. $79.5m to date.

Crashnburn 06-21-05 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by chess
Good point about Rhas Al Ghul! I guess I just felt like the scarecrow was underutilized and felt kind of tacked on. He's always been one of my favorite Batman villians (and Batman has the best rogues gallery anywhere, bar none). I felt like he could have had his own movie as more than an underdeveloped sidekick.

...and to make matters worse, he was taken out by
Spoiler:
the chick from Dawson's Creek!
;)

I feel the same way you do, but look at it this way...

Spoiler:
at least they didn't kill him off. They left the door open so he could always return stronger.

RockStrongo 06-21-05 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by RichC2
$6,627,412 haul for Monday. $79.5m to date.

I think word of mouth and reviews will keep this one afloat for a while....I dont think it will fall off the top 10 quickly.

Giantrobo 06-21-05 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by chess
Good point about Rhas Al Ghul! I guess I just felt like the scarecrow was underutilized and felt kind of tacked on. He's always been one of my favorite Batman villians (and Batman has the best rogues gallery anywhere, bar none). I felt like he could have had his own movie as more than an underdeveloped sidekick.

...and to make matters worse, he was taken out by
Spoiler:
the chick from Dawson's Creek!
;)


:lol:


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