Just Saw Matrix: Revolutions (Thoughts)
11-06-03 | 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by jonpeters
What does one make of Seti, the arab girl? If the Architect is the father and the Oracle is the mother, then, speaking in Christian terms, Seti is the holy spirit?
What does one make of Seti, the arab girl? If the Architect is the father and the Oracle is the mother, then, speaking in Christian terms, Seti is the holy spirit?
I say this because only two people survived the Neo/Smith fight: Oracle, and the girl.
11-06-03 | 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by JetSter735180
For me, Seti is the new Anomoly (or a new Neo). She is the one you is going to show the people what the Matrix is. And going to help them get free. That is why, the Oracle said that we would probably see Neo again, meaning she is Neo.
I say this because only two people survived the Neo/Smith fight: Oracle, and the girl.
For me, Seti is the new Anomoly (or a new Neo). She is the one you is going to show the people what the Matrix is. And going to help them get free. That is why, the Oracle said that we would probably see Neo again, meaning she is Neo.
I say this because only two people survived the Neo/Smith fight: Oracle, and the girl.
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But then what the Architect said, Neo being just another "one"- and he did save Zion, even after he "ruined" that choice in Reloaded by saving Trinity, then with the sunrising, does that mean the "matrix" has rebooted so to speak, meaning all this will happen again, like the previous "Neo's" have done?
Because no matter that the machines stopped "feeding" off the humans, there needs to be a balance or equilibrium b/w humans and machines, they need eachother equally, right?
11-06-03 | 11:02 AM
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From: Bartertown due to it having a better economy than where I really live.
I'm going to watch reloaded today to be sure, but I think reloaded was much better going from memory of my first viewing of it
11-06-03 | 11:06 AM
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From: Bartertown due to it having a better economy than where I really live.
my thoughts on the not jacked in thing
since I don't really like the matrix in a matrix thing I see his ability as the same thing as a wireless network card.
since I don't really like the matrix in a matrix thing I see his ability as the same thing as a wireless network card.
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11-06-03 | 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by iggystar
I'm thinking the S&M club scene may have pushed it over. Didn't you see the woman at the club getting her booby twisted? It was brief, but that's what they may have been talking about. Anyone else agree? Not to mention that an S&M club alone would have done it.
I'm thinking the S&M club scene may have pushed it over. Didn't you see the woman at the club getting her booby twisted? It was brief, but that's what they may have been talking about. Anyone else agree? Not to mention that an S&M club alone would have done it.
11-06-03 | 11:48 AM
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The flying battle between Smith and Neo reminded me of the battle in Alan Moore's "Miracleman" between Miracleman and Johnny Bates (Kid Miracleman), which was a vicious fight in the rain as well. I really thought this sequence was just amazing to watch because it captured the sheer power of the 2 combatants as they fought in the sky.
BTW, although the scene was short, but good giggly wiggly, did Monica Bellucci look scrumptious in her red outfit or what?
I still crack up when I think of Trinity calling the Merovingian "Merv".
The slow-mo punch to Smith's face was one of those "No, I don't believe they are really going through with this shot." moments for me, but it was still fun, and the audience I was with seemed to enjoy it regardless.
BTW, although the scene was short, but good giggly wiggly, did Monica Bellucci look scrumptious in her red outfit or what?
I still crack up when I think of Trinity calling the Merovingian "Merv".
The slow-mo punch to Smith's face was one of those "No, I don't believe they are really going through with this shot." moments for me, but it was still fun, and the audience I was with seemed to enjoy it regardless.
11-06-03 | 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by Saxofonix
I'm baffled by those here that ask spoiler-heavy questions such as whether
Why would anyone want to know such crucial plot points before the time ?? I just don't get it.
I'm baffled by those here that ask spoiler-heavy questions such as whether
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I don't understand why people want to know major plot shifts or endings to movies before they see it. What a way to ruin the ride!
11-06-03 | 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by jough
Because the "real world" is just another computer simulation - like the kid freed himself of his own accord in the Animatrix Neo was so attuned to using his mind to hack computer systems that he was able to intuitively hack the "real world" as well.
Because the "real world" is just another computer simulation - like the kid freed himself of his own accord in the Animatrix Neo was so attuned to using his mind to hack computer systems that he was able to intuitively hack the "real world" as well.
Originally posted by JetSter735180
For me, Seti is the new Anomoly (or a new Neo). She is the one you is going to show the people what the Matrix is. And going to help them get free. That is why, the Oracle said that we would probably see Neo again, meaning she is Neo.
I say this because only two people survived the Neo/Smith fight: Oracle, and the girl.
For me, Seti is the new Anomoly (or a new Neo). She is the one you is going to show the people what the Matrix is. And going to help them get free. That is why, the Oracle said that we would probably see Neo again, meaning she is Neo.
I say this because only two people survived the Neo/Smith fight: Oracle, and the girl.
Originally posted by Patman
The slow-mo punch to Smith's face was one of those "No, I don't believe they are really going through with this shot." moments for me, but it was still fun, and the audience I was with seemed to enjoy it regardless.
The slow-mo punch to Smith's face was one of those "No, I don't believe they are really going through with this shot." moments for me, but it was still fun, and the audience I was with seemed to enjoy it regardless.
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11-06-03 | 12:11 PM
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Possible Spoilers.
I hate endings like that. Did he or did he not die? I'm sure I saw him move. He was layed out like he had been crucified. Jesus rose from the dead so does the Oracle mean that Neo will when she says they'll see him again? Does she mean the Matrix has been reset and they'll be a new Neo or did he survive? We had a Judas on board who was really Agent Smith. I bet if we added up the important characters from Zion it'd equal the number of disciples.
Overall I wasn't disapointed and I wasn't overjoyed with it. I didn't expect much either to be honest after Reloaded. I think the great part about the first movie was the concept of the Matrix and everyone trapped as slaves in this program without knowing about it. You could imagine that it was real and we wouldn't know ourselves if we were inside a Matrix. That was lost on us in the follow ups with the events inside the Matrix as it was too unrealistic and we lost touch with the people going about their daily lives oblivious to the fact they were inside a computer program.
I hate endings like that. Did he or did he not die? I'm sure I saw him move. He was layed out like he had been crucified. Jesus rose from the dead so does the Oracle mean that Neo will when she says they'll see him again? Does she mean the Matrix has been reset and they'll be a new Neo or did he survive? We had a Judas on board who was really Agent Smith. I bet if we added up the important characters from Zion it'd equal the number of disciples.
Overall I wasn't disapointed and I wasn't overjoyed with it. I didn't expect much either to be honest after Reloaded. I think the great part about the first movie was the concept of the Matrix and everyone trapped as slaves in this program without knowing about it. You could imagine that it was real and we wouldn't know ourselves if we were inside a Matrix. That was lost on us in the follow ups with the events inside the Matrix as it was too unrealistic and we lost touch with the people going about their daily lives oblivious to the fact they were inside a computer program.
11-06-03 | 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by caipirina
When I left the movie, i no way did I think that
, I did not see that happen, and the final images do not really imply that ... maybe the give him some new
and send him back home, to help clean up ...
When I left the movie, i no way did I think that
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11-06-03 | 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by rennervision
On a side note, I would also like to know what the heck the MPAA uses as its criteria to rate films these days? This one was the tamest "R" of the three. According to ratings information, it was rated R for "sci-fi violence and brief sexual content." Well, I saw nothing worse than any "sci-fi violence" from PG-13 movies (or does "sci-fi violence" now automatically guarantee an R rating these days?) And the "brief sexual content" must have been very brief indeed, because I don't even remember it!
On a side note, I would also like to know what the heck the MPAA uses as its criteria to rate films these days? This one was the tamest "R" of the three. According to ratings information, it was rated R for "sci-fi violence and brief sexual content." Well, I saw nothing worse than any "sci-fi violence" from PG-13 movies (or does "sci-fi violence" now automatically guarantee an R rating these days?) And the "brief sexual content" must have been very brief indeed, because I don't even remember it!
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I definitely wouldn't let little kids see this one!
11-06-03 | 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by Patman
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BTW, although the scene was short, but good giggly wiggly, did Monica Bellucci look scrumptious in her red outfit or what?
I still crack up when I think of Trinity calling the Merovingian "Merv".
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[B]
BTW, although the scene was short, but good giggly wiggly, did Monica Bellucci look scrumptious in her red outfit or what?
I still crack up when I think of Trinity calling the Merovingian "Merv".
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My brother and I laughed the whole movie about that line.
I wished they'd used those characters more, and I missed the twins as well. I didn't think they were dead.
11-06-03 | 12:35 PM
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From: You have moved into a dark place. It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Originally posted by jonpeters
I was talking about the Twins from Reloaded, the ghost-like karate experts-they were not see or mentioned in Revolutions.
What does one make of Seti, the arab girl? If the Architect is the father and the Oracle is the mother, then, speaking in Christian terms, Seti is the holy spirit?
I was talking about the Twins from Reloaded, the ghost-like karate experts-they were not see or mentioned in Revolutions.
What does one make of Seti, the arab girl? If the Architect is the father and the Oracle is the mother, then, speaking in Christian terms, Seti is the holy spirit?
And do you mean "Sati", the Indian girl? In the "Reviews" thread I posted a little history of Sati. I don't know how it's relevant, but I'm sure someone else will ponder over it.
11-06-03 | 01:09 PM
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Okay...
Revolutions was a definite improvement over Reloaded, but it actually makes me like Reloaded even less. Much of the goodwill I gave to Reloaded was in anticipation that it was leading somewhere, but most of it is rendered pointless by Revolutions because it's either wheel-spinning or it leads to nothing.
Any thoughts?
Revolutions was a definite improvement over Reloaded, but it actually makes me like Reloaded even less. Much of the goodwill I gave to Reloaded was in anticipation that it was leading somewhere, but most of it is rendered pointless by Revolutions because it's either wheel-spinning or it leads to nothing.
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Any thoughts?
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11-06-03 | 01:18 PM
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The problem is choice. As long as man has a choice, they can either stay jacked into the Matrix, or make a go of it in the real world. It's sort of like a statement of the current state of man where many people stay "jacked in" with their choice of entertainment (video games) versus unplugging and doing something more with their lives.
Choice was the most palatable deal that Neo could have made with the machines (for Neo to get rid of Smith in exchange for the machines to allow the humans to leave the Matrix of their own free choice).
Choice was the most palatable deal that Neo could have made with the machines (for Neo to get rid of Smith in exchange for the machines to allow the humans to leave the Matrix of their own free choice).
11-06-03 | 02:02 PM
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I don't know why the reviews for this movie are so negative. Most of the well known critics seem to hate it, and a lot of matrix fans seem to be dissapointed. This was the best movie in the trilogy IMO, yes you heard it, the best.
I was quite dissapointed with "The Matrix Reloaded" after watching it for the first time, and now after watching Revolutions, I like it even less. All the battles and some of the characters that were introduced in Reloaded seem even less relevant now after seeing this movie, and the Zion scenes in Reloaded made the movie drag quite a bit and took me out of it. Sure the highway chase scene was amazing, but that still doesn't make up for the weak plot and lackluster characters.
The Matrix Revolutions on the other hand gets right to the point from the beginning and all the scenes and characters in this movie seem to have a purpose, and lead up to an ending to the trilogy that did not dissapoint. The action scenes and special effects in this film are also outstanding, and the overall tone of the film is darker and with a definite purpose. If you are a fan of the previous two films, please go see this and come to your own conclusions rather than listening to all the critics out there that have been writing hogwash about this movie. I know for myself that if I listened to the critics and didn't go see this, I would have missed out on one hell of a movie.
The Matrix Revolutions ****/****
I was quite dissapointed with "The Matrix Reloaded" after watching it for the first time, and now after watching Revolutions, I like it even less. All the battles and some of the characters that were introduced in Reloaded seem even less relevant now after seeing this movie, and the Zion scenes in Reloaded made the movie drag quite a bit and took me out of it. Sure the highway chase scene was amazing, but that still doesn't make up for the weak plot and lackluster characters.
The Matrix Revolutions on the other hand gets right to the point from the beginning and all the scenes and characters in this movie seem to have a purpose, and lead up to an ending to the trilogy that did not dissapoint. The action scenes and special effects in this film are also outstanding, and the overall tone of the film is darker and with a definite purpose. If you are a fan of the previous two films, please go see this and come to your own conclusions rather than listening to all the critics out there that have been writing hogwash about this movie. I know for myself that if I listened to the critics and didn't go see this, I would have missed out on one hell of a movie.
The Matrix Revolutions ****/****
11-06-03 | 02:03 PM
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It was a complete let down, it lacked bad ass action like reloaded. I agree wit the comparisons with a video game. The ending was a complete cop out! I will probibly buy the DVD because I am a completeist, but easily the worst of the three.
11-06-03 | 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by mhadlock
It was a complete let down, it lacked bad ass action like reloaded. I agree wit the comparisons with a video game. The ending was a complete cop out! I will probibly buy the DVD because I am a completeist, but easily the worst of the three.
It was a complete let down, it lacked bad ass action like reloaded. I agree wit the comparisons with a video game. The ending was a complete cop out! I will probibly buy the DVD because I am a completeist, but easily the worst of the three.
11-06-03 | 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by isamu
Just got back from seeing it. I thought it was really good. Not great, but really good. The effects were mind boggling! But I must say, I was dissapointed with the fact that:
Bring on "THE MATRIX: RESURRECTION"
:P
Just got back from seeing it. I thought it was really good. Not great, but really good. The effects were mind boggling! But I must say, I was dissapointed with the fact that:
Spoiler:
Bring on "THE MATRIX: RESURRECTION"
:P
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11-06-03 | 02:16 PM
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ok, Reloaded gets ripped because there where too many pointless fights. since Neo can beat or at least fight to a draw with anyone. now in Revolutions there wheren't enough fights with Neo? there is no pleasing some people. revolutions was about saving Zion and dealing with smith, not about the individual struggle(though there is a lot of that shown in the Zion battle)