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Old 11-06-03, 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by jim_cook87
I think you are assuming that in the previous iterations the prophecy regarding the One also said he was going to end the war. Previous iterations the Oracle may have prophesied that the One would "save Zion" but make no claim about ending the war...
The Oracle made the prophecy that Neo would save Zion (or whatever she said... it's been a while since I watched the original movie), but unless I'm forgetting a brief mention from Reloaded, we have no idea what prophecies she made to the previous Ones, or in fact if she made any at all. However, it was made explicitly clear that the intended purpose of the One has been the same for all of them that have existed - and that purpose is the one the Architect described in Reloaded, not to save Zion as the Oracle prophecised. Once again, Neo did not save Zion because he was the One. The prophecy was fulfilled, but not because Neo was the One.

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Old 11-06-03, 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by Philip Reuben
The Oracle made the prophecy that Neo would save Zion (or whatever she said... it's been a while since I watched the original movie), but unless I'm forgetting a brief mention from Reloaded, we have no idea what prophecies she made to the previous Ones, or in fact if she made any at all. However, it was made explicitly clear that the intended purpose of the One has been the same for all of them that have existed - and that purpose is the one the Architect described in Reloaded, not to save Zion as the Oracle prophecised. Once again, Neo did not save Zion because he was the One. The prophecy was fulfilled, but not because Neo was the One.

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You are correct that the Architect's intended purpose for the One was not to save Zion. (Although as the Architect presents it to Neo, he will "save" Zion by repopulating it and that is part of the Architect's intended plan.) But I think that is entirely irrelevant when it comes to the Oracle and her prophesies.

It seems that Neo was a pawn in their game, I think the Oracle had one purpose for the One, and the Architect had another... I do believe that in this iteration the Oracle wanted the One's purpose to be ending the war. But as you say, that's my interpretation...
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Originally posted by Daytrip
a lot of people jump to the last page and just start reading..........what's so hard about highlighting spoiler tags?
then a lot of people are morons.

Why would you go into a thread about the matrix revolutions titled "Just saw Matrix: Revolutions" without knowning that there is a discussion about the film Post watching it? Somethings will be bound to be spoiled in that itself. then why start a conversation backwards? by this point unspoiler the spoilers so it's easier to read.
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Old 11-06-03, 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
then a lot of people are morons.

Why would you go into a thread about the matrix revolutions titled "Just saw Matrix: Revolutions" without knowning that there is a discussion about the film Post watching it? Somethings will be bound to be spoiled in that itself. then why start a conversation backwards? by this point unspoiler the spoilers so it's easier to read.
and easier to type and quote...
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Old 11-06-03, 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
then a lot of people are morons.

Why would you go into a thread about the matrix revolutions titled "Just saw Matrix: Revolutions" without knowning that there is a discussion about the film Post watching it? Somethings will be bound to be spoiled in that itself. then why start a conversation backwards? by this point unspoiler the spoilers so it's easier to read.
C'mon Jack...it's so you can chime in with "this movie blew goats!!" without fear of having a movie they haven't seen yet spoiled for them or how 'bout "everyone knows Peter Jackson could do better"...oops...wait...wrong franchise.
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Old 11-06-03, 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by jim_cook87
You are correct that the Architect's intended purpose for the One was not to save Zion. (Although as the Architect presents it to Neo, he will "save" Zion by repopulating it and that is part of the Architect's intended plan.) But I think that is entirely irrelevant when it comes to the Oracle and her prophesies.
Yes! My point exactly.

It seems that Neo was a pawn in their game, I think the Oracle had one purpose for the One, and the Architect had another... I do believe that in this iteration the Oracle wanted the One's purpose to be ending the war. But as you say, that's my interpretation...
That depends how interchangeable you think the terms "Neo" and "The One" are. The Oracle wanted Neo's purpose to be ending the war, and he could only do it because he had the powers of the One, but the reason he was the One in the first place was to serve the purposes the Architect wanted him to serve. The Oracle wanted him to serve a different purpose, but that purpose wasn't a cause of him being the One, whereas the Architect's purpose for him was.

Argh... I know exactly what I mean, but I'm finding it hard to explain without being very convoluted and rambly -_-
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Old 11-06-03, 05:29 PM
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Machine enslaved man in order to survive only, sort of thing. Okay. Thus the resolution as shown by the third movie is that a peace is brokered. Machine will free men who wish to be freed, and basically we have an uneasy truce going. Man is pretty throughly beat down and not in a position to be the aggressor anymore, really. Not for a while, anyway.

Anyway, it's kind of a let down ending because there's no closure. An uneasy peace is reached and fighting stops.
This is why the ending is so bad in my opinion. The machines own all & have the power. Not to mention there was no way the humans could have killed that many sentinals to stay alive until the EMP was activated. Then there is all the unanswered questions. Neo is dead but some people seem to think he is still alive. Even if you do have hope he is alive and argue that he is it still would be considered a unanswered question. A bad way to end the trilogy.

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Old 11-06-03, 05:59 PM
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I thought the ending with the Oracle, Seraph, Sati, and the Architect was a little maudlin and unnecessary. It seems tacked-on to explain to those who didn't get that the war was over and there was a peace... FOR NOW...

Bum bum buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

And of course to leave the door open for Matrix 4: Reconstituted
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Originally posted by jough
I thought the ending with the Oracle, Seraph, Sati, and the Architect was a little maudlin and unnecessary. It seems tacked-on to explain to those who didn't get that the war was over and there was a peace... FOR NOW...

Bum bum buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

And of course to leave the door open for Matrix 4: Reconstituted
There was a lot communicated in that "tacked-on" ending.

It showed the relationship between the Architect and Oracle, not enemies, but programs executing their code. It showed that the Matrix was not littered with Agent Smith corpses. It pointed out that not only was Zion saved as part of Neo's deal, but that exiled programs were also part of the deal. And it pointed at the enormous part the Oracle played in the course of events, not just predicting the future, she was manipulating it... It also gave them the opportunity to throw in a rainbow reference and to show that the Matrix had changed as a result of the events...

Otherwise we walk out after a celebration in Zion and are asking, but what happened to the Matrix?
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Old 11-06-03, 07:51 PM
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who was also glad that durring all of the fight sequences, there was no techno music which felt out of place imo.
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Old 11-06-03, 09:13 PM
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Just got back from seeing it. I thought it was really good. Not great, but really good. The effects were mind boggling! But I must say, I was dissapointed with the fact that:

A)Neo only won the battle, but not the war. He had to rely on help from both the machines and the oracle to beat Agent Smith. I was really expecting to him to kick both the machines and Agent Smith's ass, by turning into some kind of supreme being with some ridiculous powers we hadn't seen before. But that didn't happen. Instead, Neo got his ass handed to him by Smith and if it wasn't for the Sentinel Master and the oracle, Smith would've continued to clobber neo and rip him a new one.

B)There simply wasn't enough hand to hand combat in this one. Having Neo in only ONE freakin fight in the whole movie was just lame. The Zion battle was kick ass though, and the flying sequence with Jada and Morpheus was great. But I dunno, just wanted a little more martial arts and hand to hand stuff.

C)There were no new villians. Just the same ole Smith and the Merivingian. I would've liked to have been introduced to a variety of more baddies. Kinda like another duo of dreadlocked twins or whatever.

Anyway, I personally feel Reloaded was slightly better, with part 1 being the best. I also strongly feel this is NOT the last Matrix movie...I am certain the studios, as well as the fans will DEMAND another sequel. We simply don't know Neo's fate. That question must be answered.
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who was also glad that durring all of the fight sequences, there was no techno music which felt out of place imo.
Not me. I really liked the music during the fight scenes from the first 2 movies.
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Saw it today and really enjoyed the movie. I really think they did a good job ending the trilogy.

I am not sure why many did not like it since I thought it was a very good movie.

I also kind of hope for a new beginning-

Matrix: Virus

or maybe a prequel Matrix: The Phantom Menace
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Old 11-06-03, 11:39 PM
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An accurate one sentence review of Revolutions that doesn't reveal too much.....

Spoiler:
It's starts off as Blade 2, turns into Terminator 3, and winds up being Daredevil


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It showed the relationship between the Architect and Oracle, not enemies, but programs executing their code. It showed that the Matrix was not littered with Agent Smith corpses. It pointed out that not only was Zion saved as part of Neo's deal, but that exiled programs were also part of the deal. And it pointed at the enormous part the Oracle played in the course of events, not just predicting the future, she was manipulating it... It also gave them the opportunity to throw in a rainbow reference and to show that the Matrix had changed as a result of the events...
Hmm. I thought nothing was added by the neat little Matrix ending. The films never hid the fact that the architect and oracle were just executing their code. This was made abundantly clear in Reloaded.

I thought the ending really blew. Great peace in our time. Are the machines going to give up their energy supply? I guess, but thats lame because the machines would die.

I also thought the Neo-Smith fight wasn't that mind boggling. It looked just like the Dark City ending that the Matrix copied, er borrowed from.

I have always wondering why Zion didn't have like 30 EMPS ready to go as a defense. It seems like bullets are a complete waste when you are dealing with the number of enemies they know they were facing.
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Old 11-06-03, 11:42 PM
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yeah....maybe the next matrix movies (i wish!) shouldn't have Keanu Reeves.

and i think Joel Silver yapped too much from hyping the sequels.

and yeah...like millions of people around the world, i saw it on opening day. i liked it and i hated it. i think the 3rd matrix movie is more of love/hate relationship to many fans.
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Did anybody else walk out thinking that this movie was terrible, but it would have been a lot better if it was combined with Reloaded to make one movie? Reloaded took what made the original good and expanded on it and Revolutions ended the whole thing. Reloaded made a decent movie on it's own, but there was a lot of fluff (Rave scene anyone?) and Revolutions just didn't work at all on it's own. Somebody got a little too greedy though and now we're left with one decent movie and one bad movie. Oh well, maybe that really is how they envisioned the whole thing from the beginning...
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I would've liked to have seen a Neo versus Twins fight. And I agree about combining the two movies into one. In the end, though, they should've stopped after the first movie.
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I thought Revolutions (much like the original and Reloaded) was a good popcorn movie. Nothing more, nothing less.
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This movie was shit.

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Originally posted by isamu
A)Neo only won the battle, but not the war. He had to rely on help from both the machines and the oracle to beat Agent Smith. I was really expecting to him to kick both the machines and Agent Smith's ass, by turning into some kind of supreme being with some ridiculous powers we hadn't seen before.
Once again, it would have been silly if he'd "beaten" the machines. The humans are the cause of this war just as much as machines are, and most of the machines and programs are sentient beings that (apparently) have no more desire for there to be a war than Zion has. The ideal solution is peace between both parties.

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Are the machines going to give up their energy supply?
No, because plenty of people are going to stay in the Matrix. As the Architect explained in Reloaded (and as was made clear by the traitor in the original, whose name escapes me right now), most people would subconsciously rather stay ignorant and stay in the Matrix. Taking people like that out of the Matrix would benefit absolutely no one. The final scene made it clear that the people who want to leave the Matrix - people who sense that something's wrong, in the same way the Kid did - will be able to. That doesn't mean everyone will leave.
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SPOILER!!!!!!! SPOILER!!!!!!!

one thing i laughed at, tho, was the scene where...


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those shades popped up on all the Smith clones at the end of the movie. supposing this represents Neo breaking free the virus which are placed by Smith.
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I would expect a Matrix 4 eventually, but who's going to be really looking forward to it? Like you were for the second film?

No one. That's who.
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Meh. Not bad, certainly not good. Just happy that it's over. This one makes Reloaded look like an Oscar worthy film. Damn, what happened to the W. bros?
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Old 11-07-03, 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by jough
I would expect a Matrix 4 eventually, but who's going to be really looking forward to it? Like you were for the second film?

No one. That's who.
You must not have heard any interviews. there will be no 4th film. the brothers don't want it and the actors wont do it. simple as that
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