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Solid Snake 03-03-15 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lt Ripley (Post 12412399)
He was asking where the eggs came from.

A3 is a good A L I E N film. Not a good Aliens film. But a followup showing Ripley cooking Tewt eggs and pancakes would not be a good film. Tewt running around yelling Ahhhhfirmative isn't important to the Alien legacy.

A5 doesn't need Ripley in it.

I've seen you do this before... wtf is up with the Tewt?

Supermallet 03-03-15 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 12412438)

I watched the assembly cut chestburster scene and the theatrical cut chestburster scene right afterwards. It's that way because the xenomorph was meant to come out of an ox. They used the same footage of the alien in both cuts. The only difference were the animals it came out of, and the shot of the alien retreating (which in the assembly cut is a CG alien running off, and in the theatrical is a backwards POV where we never see the alien).

Lt Ripley 03-03-15 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake (Post 12412447)
I've seen you do this before... wtf is up with the Tewt?

My nickname for Newt.

"Nobody calls me Tewt, except for Ripley."

Solid Snake 03-03-15 07:06 PM

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Lt Ripley 03-03-15 07:07 PM

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hanshotfirst1138 03-03-15 11:19 PM

Isn't the implication that the xenomorph partially takes on the characteristics of whatever host the facehugger impregnates? Hence the quadruped creature in the third film and the half Predator-half-Alien creature in AVP-R?

Josh-da-man 03-04-15 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138 (Post 12412735)
Isn't the implication that the xenomorph partially takes on the characteristics of whatever host the face hugged impregnates? Hence the quadruped creature in the third film and the half Predator-half-Alien creature in AVP-R?

I think so, yeah.

In the Colonial Marines comic book series (which isn't, to my knowledge, canon) there are aquatic xenomorphs which resemble dolphins. It makes a certain amount of sense that the paraditic, space-faring species would take on the characteristics of their hosts.

Supermallet 03-04-15 02:18 AM

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That would explain why the adult is quadrupedal, but not why the chestburster comes out as a smaller version of the adult.

brayzie 03-04-15 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean O'Hara (Post 12411968)
Where the hell did the egg come from?

Forgot about that. Even when I first watched movie as a kid I thought "how did an egg get into the ship?"


Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12412043)
It should have looked like a traditional xenomorph, but walked upright, no tail, and had a skull-like face with eyes. And they should have gotten Giger to design it.

Giger has one alien design where its standing upright, has large black ovals where eyes would be, and no tail. Looks somewhat similar to the Syngenor design. That would have been a good way to go.

Still would have had the fan-fic vibe to it. Why start experimenting with xenomorph hybrids when the films hadn't yet established what exactly the xenomorphs were. A species, a bio-weapon, a disease...?



Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 12412365)
The dog alien that bursted out of the dog was small at first but it actually ate, so it got bigger faster.

I wondered about that after seeing Alien 3. It looks like the dog alien eats its victims, but according to ALIEN, it grew at a rapid rate without eating anything. Ashe described it as the perfect killing machine, something that can survive in any environment, the ultimate survivor. So with that I assumed that it only killed to ensure its survival and dominance in its new environment.
If it was seen eating, then that's seems like just one more example of straying from what was established in the first film.

Josh-da-man 03-04-15 02:58 PM

Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12412783)
That would explain why the adult is quadrupedal, but not why the chestburster comes out as a smaller version of the adult.

Since it was originally supposed to come out of an ox, maybe the larger the host animal, the more formed the xenomorph is when it erupts from the host?

Josh-da-man 03-04-15 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by brayzie (Post 12412793)
I wondered about that after seeing Alien 3. It looks like the dog alien eats its victims, but according to ALIEN, it grew at a rapid rate without eating anything. Ashe described it as the perfect killing machine, something that can survive in any environment, the ultimate survivor. So with that I assumed that it only killed to ensure its survival and dominance in its new environment.
If it was seen eating, then that's seems like just one more example of straying from what was established in the first film.

That's one of the biggest science errors in the original film, that the xenomorph grows from something the size of a ferret to something larger than a man in what seems like a few hours and without eating anything. Even if it did eat (and we can assume there wasn't a lot of food on the Nostromo since the crew was kept in hibernation), then it would still take time to metabolize the food into mass. As it stands, the thing violates one of the fundamental principles of physics.

inri222 03-04-15 03:21 PM

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Maybe it raided the food & water supply of the Nostromo and gobbled up hundreds of pounds of it.

Or maybe it ate a huge piece of furniture

Or maybe it consumes gasses for food

Or maybe...

Lt Ripley 03-04-15 04:25 PM

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As each film takes more mystery away from the xenos, the more boring the xenos become.

Shazam 03-04-15 05:18 PM

Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 

Originally Posted by Lt Ripley (Post 12413478)
As each film takes more mystery away from the xenos, the more boring the xenos become.

Hey they're people just like you and me.

https://cinematicdissection.files.wo...8041661422.jpg

Lt Ripley 03-04-15 05:44 PM

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:lol:

Show mommy how the xenos eat.

Dr. DVD 03-04-15 08:52 PM

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Given the recent reviews for Chappie, I'm kind of wondering if Blomkamp won't continue the recent trend we've seen with this franchise.

brayzie 03-05-15 12:36 AM

Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 

Originally Posted by Lt Ripley (Post 12413478)
As each film takes more mystery away from the xenos, the more boring the xenos become.

Yup. While I loved the presentation and addition of the queen Alien in the second film, making them more like insects, in hindsight, detracted from their mystique.

slop101 03-05-15 09:35 AM

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Well, looks like Blomkamp's Chappie turned out to be a piece of crap, which means District 9 was a fluke, so I'm not going to be too enthusiastic about his Alien movie.

Supermallet 03-05-15 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 12413400)
That's one of the biggest science errors in the original film, that the xenomorph grows from something the size of a ferret to something larger than a man in what seems like a few hours and without eating anything. Even if it did eat (and we can assume there wasn't a lot of food on the Nostromo since the crew was kept in hibernation), then it would still take time to metabolize the food into mass. As it stands, the thing violates one of the fundamental principles of physics.

I recall reading somewhere that a line was cut from Alien where someone reports the food stores on the Nostromo have been raided.


Originally Posted by brayzie (Post 12413809)
Yup. While I loved the presentation and addition of the queen Alien in the second film, making them more like insects, in hindsight, detracted from their mystique.

You know, I always thought the Queen was such a cool addition to the Alien mythos, but thinking about it now, the original conception of a single xeno being able to morph people into eggs is infinitely more frightening on multiple levels.

RocShemp 03-05-15 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12414168)
You know, I always thought the Queen was such a cool addition to the Alien mythos, but thinking about it now, the original conception of a single xeno being able to morph people into eggs is infinitely more frightening on multiple levels.

I think the comics kept both. That when devoid of a queen, xenomorph drones take people to turn them into eggs. Once there is a queen, the drones can still produce singular eggs but seldom do so. I'm sure that was chosen in the comics to explain away the single egg in Alien 3.

Why So Blu? 03-05-15 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12414050)
Well, looks like Blomkamp's Chappie turned out to be a piece of crap, which means District 9 was a fluke, so I'm not going to be too enthusiastic about his Alien movie.

Have you seen Chappie?

inri222 03-05-15 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 12414241)
Have you seen Chappie?

Yup, Ally Sheedy & Steve Guttenberg were great in it. ;)

slop101 03-05-15 11:58 AM

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...looks like, with the majority of early reviews decrying it so. If it were great, the majority wouldn't be calling it crap.

Though I'd much rather see a Chippy movie...

http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/i...b2a01915/l.jpg

Supermallet 03-05-15 12:06 PM

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Good point! No movie has ever experienced a critical reapparaisal before. Reviews from the movie's original release date hold true for all time without exception.

RichC2 03-05-15 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by slop101 (Post 12414294)
...looks like, with the majority of early reviews decrying it so. If it were great, the majority wouldn't be calling it crap.

Though I'd much rather see a Chippy movie...

http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/i...b2a01915/l.jpg

I remember when The Prestige came out, the first 5 or so reviews were negative.

slop101 03-05-15 02:29 PM

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Based on Elysium, the negatives sound more believable to me. Also, Prestige is average, at best.

Solid Snake 03-05-15 02:32 PM

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Kidding me? That movie had balls in getting you to love your hero and then to have that taken away cuz apparently "both" men were ethically and morally fucked up at a certain point. Damn good movie.

slop101 03-05-15 02:57 PM

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If by "good" you mean "breathtakingly stupid", then yes, it was "good".
Still, if he does fuck up his Alien movie, we might still have time left to get Damon Lindelof to fix it; Prometheus was great right? Right?

Supermallet 03-05-15 03:35 PM

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The Prestige is Nolan's best film.

Shannon Nutt 03-05-15 03:40 PM

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I think Neill's biggest problem (so far) is that he writes (or co-writes with his wife) everything that he's directed. I'd really like to see him tackle a really well-written script. Get David Giler or Walter Hill to help him or re-write him on the new Alien flick and we'll see what we have.

RichC2 03-05-15 03:44 PM

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He should co-direct a movie. He's obviously very good with visuals and visual effects, now he just needs someone to carry the other aspects of filmmaking.

Solid Snake 03-05-15 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12414560)
The Prestige is Nolan's best film.

It really is. So fucked up of a movie.

DthRdrX 03-05-15 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12414560)
The Prestige is Nolan's best film.

You got my vote there.

inri222 03-05-15 05:40 PM

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I say it's Memento, followed by The Prestige.

RocShemp 03-05-15 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by inri222 (Post 12414685)
I say it's Memento, followed by The Prestige.

Memento has pacing issues (mainly in the dull as hell middle, before the reveal of Carrie-Anne Moss' motives). The Prestige is far more polished.

slop101 03-05-15 11:50 PM

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Nice diversion from the shittiness of Blomkamp to the the mundane movies of Nolan.

Getting back to the topic at hand, looks like I was right about Niel's movie, as even the positive reviews make fun of it. I hope he hires a writer for the Alien movie and that they take their time writing it.

Why So Blu? 03-06-15 12:18 AM

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Chappie was great. Bring on Alien 5!

brayzie 03-06-15 01:05 AM

Re: Alien 5 (D: Blomkamp) S: Weaver
 

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 12414168)
I recall reading somewhere that a line was cut from Alien where someone reports the food stores on the Nostromo have been raided.

You know, I always thought the Queen was such a cool addition to the Alien mythos, but thinking about it now, the original conception of a single xeno being able to morph people into eggs is infinitely more frightening on multiple levels.

I think it was smart to cut it from the first film because it's giving away too much information about this unknown creature. But yeah, in a lot of ways it makes more sense. It's supposed to survive in any environment and having the ability to recreate more xenomorphs enhances that survival of the species aspect. It doesn't need a female or insect queen. It replicates itself in whatever living organism it encounters. It's like an unintentional homage to Invasion of the Body Snatchers.



Originally Posted by Solid Snake (Post 12414644)
It really is. So fucked up of a movie.

It is his best film. But I didn't think it was so fucked up. I only wish they had timed the
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scene better where one of the brothers hangs and the next one appears before Angier. I assume the audience was supposed to believe that Alfred did the "transported man" one last time, but since Angier is hearing someone in the room with him it's obvious that it can't be Alfred (who is still getting ready to hang).
But considering how ambitious the film was technically and story-wise, how well everything came together, and it's complexity, it's easier to ignore. Also my favorite Christian Bale film.

RocShemp 03-06-15 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by brayzie (Post 12414989)
It is his best film. But I didn't think it was so fucked up. I only wish they had timed the
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scene better where one of the brothers hangs and the next one appears before Angier. I assume the audience was supposed to believe that Alfred did the "transported man" one last time, but since Angier is hearing someone in the room with him it's obvious that it can't be Alfred (who is still getting ready to hang).
But considering how ambitious the film was technically and story-wise, how well everything came together, and it's complexity, it's easier to ignore. Also my favorite Christian Bale film.

Actually, the timing is important just the way it is. It fits into the theme of "you want to be fooled". So when certain audience members gasp at the notion
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of Albert Borden having done the transported man at that moment despite the fact that we already saw someone enter the room and, as you mentioned, Angier heard them while Borden was preparing to be hanged elsewhere, it plays on the subconscious desire for something more.

Nolan then repeats this trick one last time by not giving you a good look at what Frederick Borden is looking at during John Cutter's final narration and then that particular cut-to-black. You wouldn't believe how many conversations I've had with people insisting that the final shot signifies that Robert Angier is still alive.

Much like how Cutter explained that the transported man was not a complex illusion but Robert Angier wanted it to be, the final outcome of the movie is no great mystery but the audience wants it to be.

brayzie 03-06-15 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 12415018)
Actually, the timing is important just the way it is. It fits into the theme of "you want to be fooled". So when certain audience members gasp at the notion
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of Albert Borden having done the transported man at that moment despite the fact that we already saw someone enter the room and, as you mentioned, Angier heard them while Borden was preparing to be hanged elsewhere, it plays on the subconscious desire for something more.

Nolan then repeats this trick one last time by not giving you a good look at what Frederick Borden is looking at during John Cutter's final narration and then that particular cut-to-black. You wouldn't believe how many conversations I've had with people insisting that the final shot signifies that Robert Angier is still alive.

Much like how Cutter explained that the transported man was not a complex illusion but Robert Angier wanted it to be, the final outcome of the movie is no great mystery but the audience wants it to be.

Although that is definitely an interesting explanation I disagree with it.
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Look at the way it plays out. "Do you have any last words?"

"Abracadabra." We're supposed to think that he says a magic word, as simple and cliche as can be, has some sort of power to work his magic one last time. Yes, we do want to be fooled because 1) we don't want him to die, and 2) we know that there's no such thing as magic in the real world, but we want to believe that this works. But it's not like the clues are obvious but we're trying to ignore them. I really do think it was a mistake of Nolan's because even the "abracadabra" is near inaudible, only sounding clear in the trailer. I had to go back on the dvd to hear what Alfred said.

By the time I saw that someone was with Angier BEFORE Borden is hanged, I knew that it couldn't be him. I didn't gasp at the possibility that maybe he really did have the ability to transport. I knew at this point he couldn't, I just had to wait for the explanation. However, up to that point, I really was expecting his trick to be even more amazing than Angiers. When Borden's wife yells, "I know what you are!" I was thinking, damn, what the hell is he?

BUT maybe it's done to help us to arrive at the same conclusion, at the same time Angier does. I thought that maybe that's why Nolan timed it the way he did. Because if not, we're thinking he really did transport and we're one step behind the thought process of Angier. Is that what you mean? I can't really think to clearly right now because I haven't had any sleep.

I've never heard anyone put out the possibility that Angier was still alive. That would be an interesting and awesome tidbit that Nolan put in for the audience's interpretation, something that continues the theme of deception


Damn, that was a great movie. I was disappointed that the DVD never had a special edition considering how elaborate the production was and the subject matter is frickin magic. But for being pretty much a bare bones disc it has a nice menu design.


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