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It seems Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection will not be retconned.

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Makes sense to me. I guess that writing in Ripley and Newt would be the toughest parts. Other than that, the possibilities are endless.

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Newt will be an obvious recast. However, regardless of the quality of the upcoming flick, it'll be difficult not to see the Sword of Damocles looming over Newt and Hicks while watching the new feature.

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so Weaver is going to be that ridiculous clone hybrid thing then? fuck that.

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No shit.

Alien3 fucked the franchise beyond recovery.

It was just fucking stupid to kill off Newt, Hicks, and Ripley. For one thing, Weaver was always going to come crawling back for another paycheck. Maybe she thought she wanted out, but face it, she's was a middle aged actress and this was her one gravy train.

And even if she did want out, there were still the Newt and Hicks characters to carry on.

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No Winona Ryder, no sale.

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I've grown to really like Alien 3.:shrug:

In a perfect world (my perfect world, anyway) they'd figure out a way to include 3 with this timeline. Since someone already pointed out that Resurrection takes place long after the first three movies, we can conveniently leave it alone and forget it exists altogether.

They got the Xmen franchise straightened out more or less, so it'd be nice if they could do the same with Alien and get everything to exist in one continuity.

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So basically, Blomkamp wrote some fanfic and someone at Fox decided it was good enough for another film?

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I am vehemently against any known characters - even Ripley, especially Ripley - being the basis for another Alien adventure. That said, if you are wanting to keep a young Newt in the story, here is your girl:

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/def...?itok=xRFa93yQ

Brighton Sharbino, Lizzie from The Walking Dead.

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If this takes place after 4, how the hell are they going to have Hicks & Newt? "Resurrection" was some 200 years after "Alien 3" which makes it 2380 (or there abouts).

Besides the goofy tone of the movie, I'm flabbergasted they are still dicking around with bullet weapons in space 200 years later. Then there was that goofy dudes head saying that "beautiful baby" crap..which reminds me of the birth.

Actually, I'm starting to think "Resurrection" was supposed to be a comedy.

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1. More clones.
2. Lookalike robots.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit...

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Have they actually said this movie will take place after Alien Resurrection? It is Alien 5, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is fifth in chronological order. What they have said about the new movie ignoring Alien 3 and 4 but yet at the same time not retconning them makes me think this movie will be Alien 2.5. In other words it will be set between Aliens and Alien 3.

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That doesn't make sense cuz Weaver has undoubtedly aged.

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That's what it sounds like to me.

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Thank you!

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed the cartoonish nature of Alien: Resurrection.

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Resurrection was in the same tone as all of Jeunet's other movies, which are usually whimsical, occasionally dark, comedy flicks. He wasn't the best pick for Resurrection.

But even with that, I don't think anyone could have made a great movie out of that script.

I'm rewatching Perfume: Story of a Murderer right now and for some reason I think Tom Tykwer would be a good fit for an Alien movie. But it could be because his style in the movie reminds me of Fincher a bit.

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They can de-age her throught sfx if need be.

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ugh, Christ no. We've seen how well that's worked with Jeff Bridges and Patrick Stewart.

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Yeah. It, so far, hasn't worked w/ CGI. Or has it? X3 did it and it was ok but it didn't really look real.

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Me too. Once I finally got over the "everyone dying" thing, I started appreciating its style and then liked it even more after seeing the Alien 3 "Assembly Cut" and finding out how much the studio gutted it.

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8-9 years ago. not sure your point.

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There are limits to CG.

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It's Hollywood. Let her slurp down some stem cell smoothies and she'll look 35 again.

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Almost everyone who's seen the assembly cut of Alien 3 has a much higher opinion of the movie because of it.

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Is there anyone who likes the theatrical over the Assembly?

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Maybe they'll do a Star Trek type reboot. Trying to cover up Weaver and Biehn's age at this point , not to mention recasting Newt, would come across as pretty corny. Personally, I think Blomkamp wanted to cover up 3 and 4 and the suits at Fox didn't want to acknowledge those outings were fuck ups mostly due to their (or whomever was in charge at the time's) meddling. Blomkamp isn't the one financing the movie, so he goes with what they say.

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It's not perfect, however. And I like Ripley's demise in the theatrical cut much better. Also, Bishop's "I'm not a robot, dammit!" line feels very awkward and stagey. I know it exists as clarification for the audience but it is clunky at best and was wisely cut from the TC.

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I'm going to have to buy the Collector's Edition of Alien 3. I've heard good things about the Assembly Cut but I thought the theatrical was just fine.

I liked the idea that Ripley could never be certain that the creator of Bishop wasn't an android himself. It made the scene more poignant. She wants to believe they can remove the alien from her without killing her, she wants to believe the offer to survive isn't coming from another Ash-type of android, she wants to believe that this time the Company would do the right and logical thing because in the end, the alternative is her life ending. The only she can trust and be sure of is that she is infected with the xenomorph.

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Right here.

I think the theatrical cut is vastly superior to the assembly cut. Nothing added is really necessary and some substitutions are inferior. The theatrical cut flows together quite nicely.

For example:

The alien escaping the live dog was far more dramatic than the dead ox(?) The CGI young alien sticks wide out.

The scene with the alien trapped and released by the crazed Golic was totally pointless.

"I'm not an android, dammit!" I like the ambiguity whether Bishop II was an android or not.

Alien 3: The Assembly Cut isn't Superman II: the Richard Donner Cut-level terrible, but it can't touch the theatrical.

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I do agree that the ambiguity of Bishop II is one of the better changes in the theatrical cut.

I do think the assembly cut is more interesting and fleshed out than the theatrical, and it's my preferred version of the film. However, since it's not a true director's cut, it's more of a what could have been than a truly definitive version of the film.

I'm watching it again and I fucking love so much about this movie. The production design, the cinematography, the unspoken dynamics of Fury 161, the nihilistic atmosphere of despair that pervades the whole film. It's easily the darkest of all the Alien films. However, it's still galling to see them dispatch Newt and Hicks in between opening credit title cards. Still, as much as it was criticized for being a rehash of Alien, I find that it's anything but. It has its own voice and its own story to tell.

Resurrection is fun if you think of it as a sci-fi Jeunet film. It's a terrible Alien movie though.

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Agreed all on all these points. Alien 3 is a merciless film and effective in that mercilessness. The funeral scene for Hicks and Newt is brutal.

"Why are the innocent punished?"

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It was so good at conveying the despair and nihilism that I think that's a also big part of what made people dislike it. But yeah, the production design is really good. I didn't like it at the time that the look was such a departure from Aliens, but it really did set it apart from the previous two films, which I think is what most directors want to achieve when working on a sequel.


I do appreciate the symmetry of ending the series like it began. It would have been a better Alien entry had it done two things.

1) The xenomorph was a step backwards. The idea that the alien takes on the shape of its host was a great idea, but the design was flawed. I didn't like that the alien seemed to have the same color tone as it's surroundings; rust brown. I would have liked to see it come off as more intelligent, something that was hinted at in Aliens ("how could they cut the lights!? They're frickin' animals!")

2)It also would have been nice if they could have added a bit more to the mythology of the aliens before closing the book on the story. Even though Alien 3 was suppose to mirror the first Alien, it was even more spartan with the information. We at least got hints of back story with regard to the alien. For whatever reason an alien pilot was hauling cargo full of xenomorph eggs. We were introduced to the the ship, the pilot, the cargo bay, the facehugger, and the lifecycle of the creatures. We didn't get much new in the third film, and none of the speculative aspects like the first one.

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I was watching a review of Alien 3 that described it as a "mess". It's strange, Alien 3 has always come across to me as a coherent story expertly put together. In fact, I think it's the last good thing that ever featured the Xenomorphs.

Compare that to these "non-messes":

Alien: Resurrection
Alien vs Predator
Alien vs Predator: Requiem
Prometheus

Man, if only they made more messes like Alien 3 nowadays...

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Another thing I like about Alien 3 is its explicit and often subversive sexuality. It mirrors the subversive sexuality in the design of the creature.

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There's one itty-bitty scene in Alien 3 that a lot of people miss. When Ripley get shaved, she wipes the condensation off the mirror that she looks into.

Later as near the end, the "85" wipes condensation off the same mirror and looks into it. I'm not sure what that means or why that scene was put there. My guess it symbolizes 85 as someone falling into the great abyss that Ripley has fallen into. Both victims of Weyland-Yutani.

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I think it shows him finally taking the leadership position that he was originally granted, but never took because of his own feelings of inadequacy.

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I might be one of the few people who likes Alien Resurrection.

I just wish they would start a new Alien storyline. I guess to be safe BO wise they will bring back Weaver but this franchise needs a fresh new start.